Received: (at 15221) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2018 03:35:40 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 07 23:35:40 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49974 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1fyU28-00057L-8Z for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 23:35:40 -0400 Received: from maximusconfessor.all2all.org ([79.99.200.102]:52030) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <david@HIDDEN>) id 1fyU26-00057C-Eq for 15221 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 23:35:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maximusconfessor.all2all.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB031BE00FA; Sat, 8 Sep 2018 05:35:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from maximusconfessor.all2all.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (maximusconfessor.all2all.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aiFZG36ht5bG; Sat, 8 Sep 2018 05:35:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from capac (unknown [179.210.16.155]) by maximusconfessor.all2all.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D71F1BE00D9; Sat, 8 Sep 2018 05:35:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 00:35:29 -0300 From: David Pirotte <david@HIDDEN> To: Mark H Weaver <mhw@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#15221: reiterating the request Message-ID: <20180908003529.7cb093bb@capac> In-Reply-To: <878t4dqc9j.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <52209859.6080307@HIDDEN> <87d0tpxj4i.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t4dqc9j.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.1 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/9cpF5pN.keDQfo=2Quq9TdO"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15221 Cc: 15221 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Tom Tromey <tom@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) --Sig_/9cpF5pN.keDQfo=2Quq9TdO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Tom, Mark, > You can enable it by adding the following two lines to your ~/.guile: >=20 > (use-modules (ice-9 readline)) > (activate-readline) >=20 > See <https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Readline.html>. > I'm sympathetic to the desire to enable it by default ... We have to be careful here, because it changes the repl reader, and I think it breaks geiser, at least it did last time I tried, admittedly a (very) lo= ng time ago.=20 If we change the default, assuming there would be no (more?) license proble= m, we need to make sure it does not beak geiser, or provide a deactivate-readline= procedure (I don't think there is one): currently, and afaict, there is no way to rev= erse 'things' as there were, once readline has been activated. Cheers, David --Sig_/9cpF5pN.keDQfo=2Quq9TdO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEhCJlRZtBM3furJHe83T9k6MFetcFAluTQ4EACgkQ83T9k6MF etfVjQgA17as1lcrlRPzn9gm2aOsgDVSXPF7qrhe8WZLa5A+U7H42ByozGCkVTgO X1CLakZcI8ZGtuiFzpWkacvucvIe7/6zLcrqs6cDxlol21TgXCVErjhjKfDnLpZM y++CTqvN0PHw/aOQ/sU6gUCoxxIvD/+cOrQZWWUot9vsDKGMfLfsKeEnSA6D9L6d QigBQB82drVkOAPer0ZU74VjVhL1nI72ZL2tnmD4LpBVhmVz+mV5uiKtPySQ38bb xHbHK8zFWQYJ3hF68Kwdgx9bU4NMYwfzTbPt+KbokcANy6rb0WCXIGKLsC95BL9J 3ZufrmcoNl9eHoxSzAavafShHRtRBQ== =FDLK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/9cpF5pN.keDQfo=2Quq9TdO--
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Hi Tom,
Tom Tromey <tom@HIDDEN> writes:
> Hi. I tried guile today and was surprised to find that it doesn't use
> readline by default. I think this would be a big improvement to the
> REPL.
>
> Second best would be a command line option, or editing some config file.
You can enable it by adding the following two lines to your ~/.guile:
(use-modules (ice-9 readline))
(activate-readline)
See <https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Readline.html>.
I'm sympathetic to the desire to enable it by default, but I'm not sure
how to navigate the license issue, namely that GNU Readline is
GPL-licensed, whereas Guile is LGPL-licensed.
Regards,
Mark
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Full text available.Received: (at 15221) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2013 08:53:01 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 03 04:53:01 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38449 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1VGmM9-0004Jg-8k for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 04:53:01 -0400 Received: from mailout.scc.kit.edu ([129.13.185.202]:35963) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN>) id 1VGmM5-0004JW-DP for 15221 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 04:52:58 -0400 Received: from KIT-MSX-04.kit.edu (kit-msx-04.kit.edu [172.21.117.14]) by scc-mailout-02.scc.kit.edu with esmtps (Exim 4.72 #1) id 1VGmM2-0004Or-OS; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 10:52:54 +0200 Received: from [141.52.58.175] (172.21.117.6) by smtp.kit.edu (172.21.117.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.298.1; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:52:53 +0200 Message-ID: <5225A35A.3070004@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:52:42 +0200 From: "Arne Babenhauserheide (IMK)" <arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN> Organization: KIT IMK-ASF User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130816 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Noah Lavine <noah.b.lavine@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#15221: provide a mechanism to activate readline systemwide References: <52209859.6080307@HIDDEN> <20130830140124.IV49R.155246.root@cdptpa-web09-z01> <CA+U71=NEwMXY_j5io_MNiMKUXL2Ff_Mo6GyVnbWTnPjb6DSdPw@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CA+U71=NEwMXY_j5io_MNiMKUXL2Ff_Mo6GyVnbWTnPjb6DSdPw@HIDDEN> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gxM0gpMstrq6UbP9wKDDlfrP5U3dWVgF9" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15221 Cc: "15221 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <15221 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>, "dsmich@HIDDEN" <dsmich@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) --gxM0gpMstrq6UbP9wKDDlfrP5U3dWVgF9 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040507050003060600090107" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040507050003060600090107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not a lawyer either, but I know that the license of the executable does not place restrictions on the license of the guile-specific code (as long as that code is GPL-compatible). Best wishes, Arne Am 30.08.2013 17:49, schrieb Noah Lavine: > I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that libguile could be under LGPL= , > but guile the executable could be under GPL, and therefore use readline= > by default. >=20 > As you say, there would have to be an option to turn it off. Maybe > --no-readline? >=20 > Noah >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:01 AM, <dsmich@HIDDEN > <mailto:dsmich@HIDDEN>> wrote: >=20 >=20 > ---- "Arne Babenhauserheide (IMK)" <arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN > <mailto:arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN>> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Not having readline at the guile interpreter from the get-go in a= GNU > > environment was a quite scarring experience for me, so it would b= e > great > > to have a way to enable readline by default. > > > > init.scm could provide that, but: > > > > <wingo> it seems to search the load path for init.scm > > <wingo> before loading anything else > > <wingo> tricky though, apparently that happens even before loadin= g > boot-9 > > > > Ideally there should be either a compileflag or a systemwide > config file > > to enable readline support in the whole system. If it is a > compile-flag > > it might be useful to not make it default, because developers why= > > develop proprietary applications could then by accident compile a= > > program with activated readline support. > > > > If such a flag existed, most GNU/Linux distributions could simply= > > activate it for guile itself (as long as they do not ship unfree > scripts > > using guile which depend on readline support =97 those scripts wo= uld > > violate the GPL, but they would not work at all without readline > > support, so this dependency should be pretty clear). >=20 > Sometimes readline gets in the way, for example, when using guile > with emacs. >=20 > If it was enabled by default, then there also must be an option to > disable it when not needed. >=20 > The main reason readline is not enabled by default (IIRC), is the > license differences between readline and guile. 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bug-guile@HIDDEN:bug#15221; Package guile.
Full text available.Received: (at 15221) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Aug 2013 15:49:52 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 30 11:49:52 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59410 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1VFQxL-0005wm-Mg for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:49:52 -0400 Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com ([209.85.192.173]:46857) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <noah549@HIDDEN>) id 1VFQxI-0005wT-FR for 15221 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:49:49 -0400 Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id p10so2030179pdj.4 for <15221 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:49:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=KfxmcukOSu/YA19Dt/0nnMf2M0+OReaBMy1ab1QxIjo=; b=Fh4UouZBPjziJV3xgzFKroyTC4qOi1TmLy/joVmMSO6rczbQa8bsR/Efes+5FM07hc KRJTvOi4A3/TB8UUqI7JI8vWIBP0/it5V/K95Iq1x0dg7ot0Fd/yUKtxt1IEcB3Y/ww1 ahlAB3MyJ1jqYsg9K929dSgl1Fyl5PJQsjkmkyki93CPSrBLAmmdrsAXdanbT4KYDV2x ELTJnJWsrnkI1AkhEyxWfR6kv2FYROSdHyIC8+65qFhGPmZSCtJYD2mAP2CaQFgAA5fS M2qd1jpkWTNpRrwrgRgdrOKv4y2vzOi3v9CPIsZdRBz2OOgUkysrifN9a2NcYeX9CpE7 4iUA== X-Received: by 10.68.93.227 with SMTP id cx3mr10835970pbb.146.1377877782122; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:49:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.91.1 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:49:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130830140124.IV49R.155246.root@cdptpa-web09-z01> References: <52209859.6080307@HIDDEN> <20130830140124.IV49R.155246.root@cdptpa-web09-z01> From: Noah Lavine <noah.b.lavine@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:49:21 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gEJOlPFPW-lIObnyQlOjau6NGoU Message-ID: <CA+U71=NEwMXY_j5io_MNiMKUXL2Ff_Mo6GyVnbWTnPjb6DSdPw@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#15221: provide a mechanism to activate readline systemwide To: dsmich@HIDDEN Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86f296bf596604e52c2b59 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15221 Cc: 15221 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) --047d7b86f296bf596604e52c2b59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that libguile could be under LGPL, but guile the executable could be under GPL, and therefore use readline by default. As you say, there would have to be an option to turn it off. Maybe --no-readline? Noah On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:01 AM, <dsmich@HIDDEN> wrote: > > ---- "Arne Babenhauserheide (IMK)" <arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Not having readline at the guile interpreter from the get-go in a GNU > > environment was a quite scarring experience for me, so it would be grea= t > > to have a way to enable readline by default. > > > > init.scm could provide that, but: > > > > <wingo> it seems to search the load path for init.scm > > <wingo> before loading anything else > > <wingo> tricky though, apparently that happens even before loading boot= -9 > > > > Ideally there should be either a compileflag or a systemwide config fil= e > > to enable readline support in the whole system. If it is a compile-flag > > it might be useful to not make it default, because developers why > > develop proprietary applications could then by accident compile a > > program with activated readline support. > > > > If such a flag existed, most GNU/Linux distributions could simply > > activate it for guile itself (as long as they do not ship unfree script= s > > using guile which depend on readline support =97 those scripts would > > violate the GPL, but they would not work at all without readline > > support, so this dependency should be pretty clear). > > Sometimes readline gets in the way, for example, when using guile with > emacs. > > If it was enabled by default, then there also must be an option to disabl= e > it when not needed. > > The main reason readline is not enabled by default (IIRC), is the license > differences between readline and guile. (GPL and LGPL) > > -Dale > > > > > --047d7b86f296bf596604e52c2b59 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that libguile could = be under LGPL, but guile the executable could be under GPL, and therefore u= se readline by default.<br><br>As you say, there would have to be an option= to turn it off. Maybe --no-readline?<br> <br>Noah<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu= ote">On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:01 AM, <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"ma= ilto:dsmich@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">dsmich@HIDDEN</a>>= </span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><br> ---- "Arne Babenhauserheide (IMK)" <<a href=3D"mailto:arne.bab= enhauserheide@HIDDEN">arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br> > Hi,<br> ><br> > Not having readline at the guile interpreter from the get-go in a GNU<= br> > environment was a quite scarring experience for me, so it would be gre= at<br> > to have a way to enable readline by default.<br> ><br> > init.scm could provide that, but:<br> ><br> > <wingo> it seems to search the load path for init.scm<br> > <wingo> before loading anything else<br> > <wingo> tricky though, apparently that happens even before loadi= ng boot-9<br> ><br> > Ideally there should be either a compileflag or a systemwide config fi= le<br> > to enable readline support in the whole system. If it is a compile-fla= g<br> > it might be useful to not make it default, because developers why<br> > develop proprietary applications could then by accident compile a<br> > program with activated readline support.<br> ><br> > If such a flag existed, most GNU/Linux distributions could simply<br> > activate it for guile itself (as long as they do not ship unfree scrip= ts<br> > using guile which depend on readline support =97 those scripts would<b= r> > violate the GPL, but they would not work at all without readline<br> > support, so this dependency should be pretty clear).<br> <br> </div>Sometimes readline gets in the way, for example, when using guile wit= h emacs.<br> <br> If it was enabled by default, then there also must be an option to disable = it when not needed.<br> <br> The main reason readline is not enabled by default (IIRC), is the license d= ifferences between readline and guile. (GPL and LGPL)<br> <br> -Dale<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div><br></div> --047d7b86f296bf596604e52c2b59--
bug-guile@HIDDEN:bug#15221; Package guile.
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bug-guile@HIDDEN:bug#15221; Package guile.
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If it is a compile-flag it might be useful to not make it default, because developers why develop proprietary applications could then by accident compile a program with activated readline support. If such a flag existed, most GNU/Linux distributions could simply activate it for guile itself (as long as they do not ship unfree scripts using guile which depend on readline support =E2=80=94 those scripts woul= d violate the GPL, but they would not work at all without readline support, so this dependency should be pretty clear). Best wishes, Arne --=20 Doktorand Gruppe: GHG Raum: 435/410 Tel.: +49 721 608-22885 arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN Karlsruher Institut f=C3=BCr Technologie IMK-ASF Postfach 36 40 76021 Karlsruhe --------------070404050403050107040706 Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name="0xA70DA09E.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0xA70DA09E.asc" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) mQENBE6Oxd8BCAC6wH1jXdGBLm2ZSH9VT51GAC5hzQeI5X/lR7+hpiA42H36Ymg0 yk7lLGDS1o4qFdeZmRJbNV9E4HtmHEC/qXYq+qBeggPeUcuqBlsyVsSHeX0GFVXy T8Fey/GX3yGNh1gAmea4T39Jo9zV9L23UIy7OkMitTCn1aCroVogJyYrTWLmEnGs 9ETYhiJMiDCHkjaq/KNGzARqzBHuf0+BNp9v2d2I3lS4qqr21H/fiN8v+cJ3TPOF buBY3buq03+KL9TIbp86QcHA8U3HXeRjLqbW+uqKWkY0cclyGgO1RbYyyG/OXZf7 gZoHKem23tvwIkT3zGQcuKFAzQhWV9/VD5V7ABEBAAG0NUFybmUgQmFiZW5oYXVz ZXJoZWlkZSA8YXJuZS5iYWJlbmhhdXNlcmhlaWRlQGtpdC5lZHU+iQE+BBMBAgAo BQJOjsXfAhsjBQkJZgGABgsJCAcDAgYVCAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRBcg/Nk pw2gnj/QB/95bxAVJT3ZJdIiwsffXCLmmauUuYa3bzFmsZzm9da6XTRAuwSRPMyb 0Okfcu69rf6JWyzQSprZ/F3+3+oGQ5gxVscJWq69EA4KpxJsWAoFIV6UjtMu06eG 8dJ7iFItzB3CXdXpnUC8kYdrox0tavqzPBHSo9bvpgnFT52xKmOS84KO3JDK5scz 0hvqZIWrSS8yrm4QvhqEbZuFSKMxnUgqCa6u9fWXV+8vbCu5jLQoUu2i0ok6hdRm UpHBSyK+IG0GSaGiUYeFutsm9cq4TrWWyu80+yBHC4CaG7Yf1+fQqznlS2i6pbaz CcTAPyrOJEKBKF3LR5V1hXPwPlFLe9wXiEYEEBEIAAYFAk63yZ0ACgkQMwdGm/6W xASG5QCgib5ghOauRsY1P9t8YUC/owLv3DcAoIdDdJUvI1d7KfG7TgYR3CwbUXWk uQENBE6Oxd8BCADapkr3hAsswZN2YI0jBDEXYL0HTo3dGhaM5WeDpzbnIvLzTze3 qYNwHvizGXzkUO4B3SYyMQBB45tEPaPrAXAPs7p1eljCeOrueu7kM7HRO0nhbEVC Okv4bPpg5UA8M1SXiUtdUEj1gYOuLtkQJivIiBENRqLOmcVW89GCN4KnxARZjpOM 0i9UOo7hro4wmBz95yUOpoIvuSjupcgXGS1WrDCXaaJnuD2PltVNstTf3HbwUF+m VpwRDJL108NCDf3erA9l2apywa7msEt+VECrj+URFlpCbXpqdM9q6kw8nK4e481V gWocFHgHLr3//4ke9il+QXByRPjofFXNUCzLABEBAAGJASUEGAECAA8FAk6Oxd8C GwwFCQlmAYAACgkQXIPzZKcNoJ5B6wf/d9aYMhZEtkjAZYPAhwzzR+jkdhrMh7yJ RR7j40HHkNiqmbamn1Sc6hbYeGhYWH0a+V0fzAffmCD3bX7thbPs23r7QrJQs+Oc I+FSZw+c6OPCZF3LqJvXweJ9G7fH6S30J9n03P6C9jQ84gznno6feLgFUR4KQPDJ Muh8K9mkciMN/E5BKfo5iJXX5skCOOrhNPmO9+95o7IUpt82yusNCIo3pAwUK4rW kLIaZZnmWbC3kBtw5BqG5/44dX/lA2Y4SJ9HoYPDGSBq/ZzX0TtW6KLf64OKBWRe 0W5oJnDtyVT6Z+DAFyGfJeszkvjyP+HWAtJQ8RdZkkqnLZuUpQrusQ=3D=3D =3DuqYZ -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --------------070404050403050107040706 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="arne_babenhauserheide.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="arne_babenhauserheide.vcf" YmVnaW46dmNhcmQNCmZuOkFybmUgQmFiZW5oYXVzZXJoZWlkZQ0KbjpCYWJlbmhhdXNlcmhl aWRlO0FybmUNCm9yZzpLSVQ7R0hHLCAgSU1LLUFTRg0KYWRyO3F1b3RlZC1wcmludGFibGU6 OztHZWI9QzM9QTR1ZGUgNDM1LCBSYXVtIDQxMCwgQ2FtcHVzIE5vcmQ7S2FybHNydWhlO0JX Ozc2MDIxO0RldXRzY2hsYW5kDQplbWFpbDtpbnRlcm5ldDphcm5lLmJhYmVuaGF1c2VyaGVp ZGVAa2l0LmVkdQ0KdGl0bGU6RG9rdG9yYW5kDQp0ZWw7d29yazorNDkgNzIxIDYwOC0yMjg4 NQ0KeC1tb3ppbGxhLWh0bWw6RkFMU0UNCnVybDpodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmltay1hc2Yua2l0LmVk dS84NzRfMTE5NC5waHANCnZlcnNpb246Mi4xDQplbmQ6dmNhcmQNCg0K --------------070404050403050107040706-- --RXg7pVPbIWnXertCOVRfGUvvgdIsa9DXn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSIJhcAAoJEFyD82SnDaCeRvoH/1h20BGhTK8x3WN4FwZOotMt zP3zCjwNK6iKMLpWaRm+KfTsbQJId+GO7hUKS2HQMuTTTNlmXOcF76gmM4qMSsz/ qwguUJlQelD1RW5ZeRf7SOrIgqHc58AVu9J0KLfy+ualYHlkWCX2ck00lsupv2qv fAoJA6GxcFYe2EjMQwRzwhijMypO4PYJ0lXzKzUSjswDVJsOS3OTXrEt/1eEAkmm 8i7Hh6TzDELnj6liRZJ/qGkC1BaqmxHR4GZtGqik1qAx1bUHPIt14BR3JnkOAfwx glJHCqHW634pmvr6XiUKKw45wvfB3PQEHRgEMgrs+kP7q7PcuPC70JuLIAZIywM= =bhum -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RXg7pVPbIWnXertCOVRfGUvvgdIsa9DXn--
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