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> That's the wrong way of looking at the issue, if you want to talk
> about the aspects that I called "confusing". I see no technical
> problems with using (t) instead of t, I just said that it confuses the
> heck out of me, because its semantics is not clear by just looking at
> the value.
I'm sorry, I misunderstood. I don't see anything confusing about any of
this, I thought you were opposed to changing the default because you
thought it was a useful value (plus the usual backward compatibility
risks).
Regarding the possible new defaults and their possible confusing
qualities, then:
- could you explain what you find confusing about `(t)`?
- Personally I'm fine with either `(t)` and `nil` as default values.
- Currently an `invisible` property with value `t` "always" makes the
text invisible without having to pay attention to
buffer-invisibility-spec, so `(t)` is more backward compatible. I put
quotes around "always" because it's always possible for someone to
come around and set buffer-invisibility-spec to nil by hand, and
because until not too long ago, remove-from-invisibility-spec
occasionally ended up setting buffer-invisibility-spec to nil.
Stefan
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>> Starting from t, (add-to-invisibility-spec 'foo) also has the weird
>> result that it *reduces* the number of properties which cause
>> invisibility (from infinity to 2).
> Yes, but I don't see that as a problem.
Here's another way to look at it:
Give me a circumstance where an Elisp package can make use of the fact
that buffer-invisibility-spec defaults to t?
I can't come up with any, because there are only 3 cases:
- the package doesn't use `invisible` and hence doesn't care.
- the package only uses the `t` value of the `invisible` property, so it
doesn't care because add-to-invisibility-spec always puts `t` in the list.
- the package uses non-nil, non-t value of the `invisible` property.
In this case, either the package:
- calls add-to-invisibility-spec to register that value, in which case
it doesn't care.
- doesn't call add-to-invisibility-spec, so the text is only invisible
until some other unrelated package comes around and calls
add-to-invisibility-spec, thus causing undesired behavior.
So any package which makes use of this default value is vulnerable to
being broken by activation of some unrelated package.
Stefan
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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i141sm3744524ite.20.2019.05.11.08.27.55 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 11 May 2019 08:27:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#16493: 24.3.50; (setq search-invisible t) is useless, let's allow to turn visible-mode temporarily on References: <878uucaun0.fsf@HIDDEN> <871u01zs19.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r481fuvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvd2jl4f07.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87k3dtl8lp.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvbnolsm1v.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87ppcwxiv9.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h9xw7puw.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwv1tp0laqg.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87bno3vae9.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zi1nl812.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvk1sryzev.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87wowql4sd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y33snmam.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvv9yvpuaz.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87sgtzof4s.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvpnp3pt6u.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <83lfzrsemu.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfzqo11s.fsf@HIDDEN> <83h8aeqfao.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 11:27:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83h8aeqfao.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 01 May 2019 20:02:07 +0300") Message-ID: <87k1exhuys.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16493 Cc: bzg@HIDDEN, 16493 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> >> PS: To fix this quirk, we should change buffer-invisibility-spec's >> >> default value to nil (or `(t)`, maybe) instead of t. >> >> (t) makes sense, I'd say. > > The difference (or lack thereof) between t and (t) is something that's > confusing, and should be preferably avoided. > >> It's not a change to semantics though, just the default value. And >> starting from the current default of t, if some code does >> (add-to-invisibility-spec 'foo) followed by >> (remove-from-invisibility-spec 'foo) you get (t), so arguably just >> starting from there in the first place makes things less confusing than >> they are now. > > I'd rather we fixed the remove-from-invisibility-spec result than > start promoting (t). Starting from t, (add-to-invisibility-spec 'foo) also has the weird result that it *reduces* the number of properties which cause invisibility (from infinity to 2). It seems unavoidable due to the semantics of t (hence why we should default to (t) instead).
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To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#16493: 24.3.50;
(setq search-invisible t) is useless, let's allow to turn
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> The difference (or lack thereof) between t and (t)
There is a rather large difference between the two.
> is something that's confusing, and should be preferably avoided.
Agreed and the way to avoid it, IMO, is to eliminate the `t` case which
is the weird one out whose behavior you can't rely on since some
other package may come around and call
(remove-from|add-to)-invisibility-spec from under you.
Stefan
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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id q11sm9398965qkn.19.2019.05.01.04.40.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 01 May 2019 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#16493: 24.3.50; (setq search-invisible t) is useless, let's allow to turn visible-mode temporarily on References: <878uucaun0.fsf@HIDDEN> <871u01zs19.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r481fuvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvd2jl4f07.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87k3dtl8lp.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvbnolsm1v.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87ppcwxiv9.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h9xw7puw.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwv1tp0laqg.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87bno3vae9.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zi1nl812.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvk1sryzev.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87wowql4sd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y33snmam.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvv9yvpuaz.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87sgtzof4s.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvpnp3pt6u.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <83lfzrsemu.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 07:40:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83lfzrsemu.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 30 Apr 2019 18:21:13 +0300") Message-ID: <87lfzqo11s.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16493 Cc: bzg@HIDDEN, 16493 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> >> PS: To fix this quirk, we should change buffer-invisibility-spec's >> default value to nil (or `(t)`, maybe) instead of t. (t) makes sense, I'd say. > That'd be confusing, IMO. If we need to change some of the semantics > of buffer-invisibility-spec, It's not a change to semantics though, just the default value. And starting from the current default of t, if some code does (add-to-invisibility-spec 'foo) followed by (remove-from-invisibility-spec 'foo) you get (t), so arguably just starting from there in the first place makes things less confusing than they are now.
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>> You can do
>>
>> (overlay-put OVERLAY 'invisible 'visible)
>>
>> to get the same result without far-reaching changes to the C code.
>
> Um, no, that gives the opposite effect.
>
> (let ((p (point))
> overlay)
> (insert "(" (propertize "invisible" 'invisible t) ")")
> (setq overlay (make-overlay p (point)))
> ;; All text, including parens, becomes invisible.
> (overlay-put overlay 'invisible 'visible))
You need to use `add-to-invisibility-spec` before that works. E.g.:
(add-to-invisibility-spec 'dummy)
that's because of a quirk of the way we treat `invisible` and the
`buffer-invisibility-spec`.
Stefan
PS: To fix this quirk, we should change buffer-invisibility-spec's
default value to nil (or `(t)`, maybe) instead of t.
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From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#16493: 24.3.50;
(setq search-invisible t) is useless, let's allow to turn
visible-mode temporarily on
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Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>> I was thinking all this complication could be avoided if we just allowed
>> (overlay-put OVERLAY 'invisible nil) to make text visible.
>
> No need for that.
I may have confused things a bit by forgetting to mention I was speaking
of overlays on top of an existing invisible text property (see my reply
to Eli).
> You can do
>
> (overlay-put OVERLAY 'invisible 'visible)
>
> to get the same result without far-reaching changes to the C code.
Um, no, that gives the opposite effect.
(let ((p (point))
overlay)
(insert "(" (propertize "invisible" 'invisible t) ")")
(setq overlay (make-overlay p (point)))
;; All text, including parens, becomes invisible.
(overlay-put overlay 'invisible 'visible))
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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>
To: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#16493: 24.3.50;
(setq search-invisible t) is useless, let's allow to turn
visible-mode temporarily on
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> I was thinking all this complication could be avoided if we just allowed
> (overlay-put OVERLAY 'invisible nil) to make text visible.
No need for that.
You can do
(overlay-put OVERLAY 'invisible 'visible)
to get the same result without far-reaching changes to the C code.
Stefan
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From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#16493: 24.3.50;
(setq search-invisible t) is useless, let's allow to turn
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 00:34:41 -0400
>> Cc: 16493 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>
>>
>> I was thinking all this complication could be avoided if we just allowed
>> (overlay-put OVERLAY 'invisible nil) to make text visible.
>
> But we already do: overlay-get returns nil in that case, and the text
> is revealed, so the original code before your proposed changes already
> does the job. What am I missing? Some context where the above
> doesn't work?
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was talking about the situation where there is
a non-nil invisible text property (or a different existing overlay with
with a non-nil invisible property). For example:
(let ((p (point))
overlay)
(insert "(" (propertize "invisible" 'invisible t) ")")
(setq overlay (make-overlay p (point)))
;; Text remains invisible.
(overlay-put overlay 'invisible nil))
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Subject: Re: bug#16493: 24.3.50;
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Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN> writes:
> I looked at the way isearch does the temporary opening of overlays,
> and it looks complex to add another mechanism to temporarily ignore
> the 'invisible text property. At least I don't know how to do this.
I was thinking all this complication could be avoided if we just allowed
(overlay-put OVERLAY 'invisible nil) to make text visible.
--- i/src/textprop.c
+++ w/src/textprop.c
@@ -630,14 +630,14 @@ get_char_property_and_overlay (Lisp_Object position, register Lisp_Object prop,
/* Now check the overlays in order of decreasing priority. */
while (--noverlays >= 0)
{
- Lisp_Object tem = Foverlay_get (overlay_vec[noverlays], prop);
+ Lisp_Object tem = Fplist_member (XOVERLAY (overlay_vec[noverlays])->plist, prop);
if (!NILP (tem))
{
if (overlay)
/* Return the overlay we got the property from. */
*overlay = overlay_vec[noverlays];
SAFE_FREE ();
- return tem;
+ return XCAR (XCDR (tem));
}
}
SAFE_FREE ();
> Also, I tried a preliminary patches (attached) which I find quite
> convenient and seems to do what I expected first when setting
> (setq search-invisible t): turning on visible-mode.
This seems like a reasonable, though perhaps making the whole buffer
visible isn't always wanted.
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Hi Stefan,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>>> Removing just the text property seems cleaner.
>> I guess this solution, though nice, is tricky to implement.
>
> Why do you think so?
I looked at the way isearch does the temporary opening of overlays,
and it looks complex to add another mechanism to temporarily ignore
the 'invisible text property. At least I don't know how to do this.
Also, I tried a preliminary patches (attached) which I find quite
convenient and seems to do what I expected first when setting
(setq search-invisible t): turning on visible-mode.
The patch is not fully tested and incomplete, as query-replace is
not handled, but that's a start.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
--
Bastien
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diff --git a/lisp/isearch.el b/lisp/isearch.el
index 3725779..53958cc 100644
--- a/lisp/isearch.el
+++ b/lisp/isearch.el
@@ -665,6 +665,8 @@ isearch-input-method-local-p
(defvar isearch--saved-overriding-local-map nil)
+(defvar isearch-initial-visibility-state nil)
+
;; Minor-mode-alist changes - kind of redundant with the
;; echo area, but if isearching in multiple windows, it can be useful.
@@ -936,6 +938,8 @@ isearch-mode
(if minibuffer-auto-raise
(raise-frame frame))))
+ (setq isearch-initial-visibility-state (or visible-mode -1))
+ (when (eq isearch-invisible t) (visible-mode 1))
(setq isearch-mode " Isearch") ;; forward? regexp?
(force-mode-line-update)
@@ -1054,6 +1058,7 @@ isearch-done
(remove-hook 'post-command-hook 'isearch-post-command-hook)
(remove-hook 'mouse-leave-buffer-hook 'isearch-done)
(remove-hook 'kbd-macro-termination-hook 'isearch-done)
+ (visible-mode isearch-initial-visibility-state)
(setq isearch-lazy-highlight-start nil)
(when (buffer-live-p isearch--current-buffer)
(with-current-buffer isearch--current-buffer
@@ -1608,7 +1613,9 @@ isearch--momentary-message
(isearch--momentary-message
(if (setq isearch-invisible
(if isearch-invisible
- nil (or search-invisible 'open)))
+ (and (visible-mode -1) nil)
+ (visible-mode 1)
+ (or search-invisible 'open)))
"match invisible text"
"match visible text")))
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>> Removing just the text property seems cleaner.
> I guess this solution, though nice, is tricky to implement.
Why do you think so?
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Full text available.Received: (at 16493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2018 14:28:54 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 28 10:28:54 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42131 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1fCQqM-0006o3-9m for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:28:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53935) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <bzg@HIDDEN>) id 1fCQqK-0006nq-Kf for 16493 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:28:52 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <bzg@HIDDEN>) id 1fCQqC-0002Ol-3g for 16493 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:28:47 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54034) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <bzg@HIDDEN>) id 1fCQqB-0002Of-VE; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:28:44 -0400 Received: from [78.192.157.63] (port=35840 helo=bzg.fr) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <bzg@HIDDEN>) id 1fCQqB-0001kP-H4; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:28:43 -0400 Received: by bzg.fr (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 311D838C88F; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 16:28:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#16493: 24.3.50; (setq search-invisible t) is useless, let's allow to turn visible-mode temporarily on References: <878uucaun0.fsf@HIDDEN> <871u01zs19.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r481fuvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvd2jl4f07.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87k3dtl8lp.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvbnolsm1v.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87ppcwxiv9.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h9xw7puw.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwv1tp0laqg.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87bno3vae9.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 16:28:41 +0200 Message-ID: <87zi1nl812.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16493 Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>, 16493 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) Hi Stefan and Juri, reviving an old bug that continues to bug me. The very frequent use-case I have is with (setq search-invisible t) when I try to query-replace a string that's within an org-mode link. I wish the content of the link could be displayed. Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN> writes: >> I'm fine with making isearch "reveal" those as well. Of course, "how" >> is an important question: tweaking buffer-invisibility-spec means that >> we don't just reveal the part of the text we're interested in, but all >> other parts hidden in the same way as well. An alternative would be to >> temporarily remove the text-property. > > Removing just the text property seems cleaner. I guess this solution, though nice, is tricky to implement. And thinking about this again, I'd be fine with buffer-invisibility-spec set to nil temporarily. What do you think? If you're okay with the buffer-invisibility-spec solution, shall I go ahead and try to implement it? Thanks, -- Bastien
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Subject: Re: bug#16493: 24.3.50;
(setq search-invisible t) is useless, let's allow to turn
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>>>> We lack a way to reveal truly invisible text when performing a search
>>>> and replace. The URL of a bracket link in Org is an example of such
>>>> truly invisible text.
>>> What do you mean by "truly invisible"? Does that refer to text that's
>>> marked with an `invisible' text-property (as opposed to an overlay with
>>> that property)?
>> I guess Bastien meant toggling the value of `buffer-invisibility-spec'
>> while isearch is active. Let's wait for Bastien to confirm this.
> Yes, I do confirm, thanks Juri.
Sounds confused. I'm asking "how is it made invisible" and you answer by
referencing some way to make it visible. All forms of invisible are
affected by buffer-invisibility-spec.
> I think the default behavior should be to open both invisible-with-a
> -text-property and invisible-within-an-overlay areas when performing
> a search-and-replace.
So, IIUC you're indeed talking about the text made invisible by
a text-property rather than an overlay, right?
I'm fine with making isearch "reveal" those as well. Of course, "how"
is an important question: tweaking buffer-invisibility-spec means that
we don't just reveal the part of the text we're interested in, but all
other parts hidden in the same way as well. An alternative would be to
temporarily remove the text-property.
Stefan
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Subject: Re: bug#16493: 24.3.50;
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> We lack a way to reveal truly invisible text when performing a search
> and replace. The URL of a bracket link in Org is an example of such
> truly invisible text.
What do you mean by "truly invisible"? Does that refer to text that's
marked with an `invisible' text-property (as opposed to an overlay with
that property)?
Stefan
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Full text available.Received: (at 16493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2014 14:20:41 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 21 09:20:41 2014 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59118 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1W5cC0-0005iv-P3 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 09:20:41 -0500 Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com ([74.125.82.41]:52397) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <bastienguerry@HIDDEN>) id 1W5cBy-0005im-4i for 16493 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 09:20:38 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id n12so5023130wgh.2 for <16493 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 06:20:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=a3GeLRHEmX7KQV5JzvGKgO3DSkHPcd84HnoDnzf56VA=; b=V/qdsOxY0j562NEbTWigpBso5Cz0qJLEF1O2MPlEWX6zlICQSy5wiW3Apy3xCqqpi6 jJCrkhXSwx/Y5tj4Ny1vmRKwar/HDhsNnnYwtvIkm1f5yNX0kE5p7hhuUMrci30Pv/pw zWujjOxn0JTIB/pGeHOldL4GwcXiO9zksPeLyMkD2DwqiY6iyWDkhAWDXwxvDj9g4kvu cEVBj9ketk89HnuA7UUPJ+7Z35oj3rS7hJqMx6QXYqS6mvx24YCD07mYQZ+z3j1DmP4u npfxw3ZMJwyNBDO2lQWAxqhtG7SbX51NJljOLOmZyD4cUKODqEQ5znLugXdLtjZeAIaU /xFA== X-Received: by 10.194.63.134 with SMTP id g6mr19001467wjs.46.1390314036990; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 06:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from bzg.localdomain (AMontsouris-651-1-1-52.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr. [90.46.36.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hv3sm10734937wib.5.2014.01.21.06.20.35 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Jan 2014 06:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 053541C208DB; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:20:34 +0100 (CET) From: Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#16493: 24.3.50; (setq search-invisible t) is useless, let's allow to turn visible-mode temporarily on In-Reply-To: <jwvd2jl4f07.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 21 Jan 2014 08:54:56 -0500") References: <878uucaun0.fsf@HIDDEN> <871u01zs19.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r481fuvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvd2jl4f07.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:20:34 +0100 Message-ID: <87k3dtl8lp.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16493 Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>, 16493 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes: >> E.g. replacing "www" by "ftp" is currently not possible in >> [[http://gnu.org][GNU]] >> you have to manually turn visible-mode on. > > I don't understand the relationship between this problem and the subject > of bug#16493. I forgot to connect the dots. When search-invisible is t, perform-replace can replace matches in any invisible text, but does not display it when prompting the user for confirmation. When search-invisible is 'open, perform-replace can replace matches only in hidden text (invisible through an overlay), and displays it when prompting the user. We lack a way to reveal truly invisible text when performing a search and replace. The URL of a bracket link in Org is an example of such truly invisible text. Juri's solution to add 'open-all could also be used in perform-replace to let the user see truly invisible matches before replacing them. So the *solutions* are related, if not the problems themselves. -- Bastien
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Subject: Re: bug#16493: 24.3.50;
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> E.g. replacing "www" by "ftp" is currently not possible in
> [[http://gnu.org][GNU]]
> you have to manually turn visible-mode on.
I don't understand the relationship between this problem and the subject
of bug#16493.
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Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN> writes:
> E.g. replacing "www" by "ftp" is currently not possible in
^^^
I mean "http" of course.
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From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>
To: Bastien Guerry <bzg@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#16493: 24.3.50;
(setq search-invisible t) is useless, let's allow to turn
visible-mode temporarily on
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Content preview: > I see very little value in setting `search-invisible' to
t. > > Also, when doing so, text that is hidden with an overlay is not hit
> during a search, only text that is hidden through an invisble text > property,
which feels wrong. > > I suggest this change: when `search-invisible' is
set to `t', > temporarily turn visible-mode on in isearch-mode. The meaning
of > 'open would not change and 'open is fine as a default IMO. > > With
this change, `C-s M-s i' will switch from 'open to 't, allowing > to display
all invisible text temporarily, or from 't to 'open, > allowing to only open
overlays containing hidden text. > > What do you think? [...]
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Content preview: > I see very little value in setting `search-invisible' to
t. > > Also, when doing so, text that is hidden with an overlay is not hit
> during a search, only text that is hidden through an invisble text > property,
which feels wrong. > > I suggest this change: when `search-invisible' is
set to `t', > temporarily turn visible-mode on in isearch-mode. The meaning
of > 'open would not change and 'open is fine as a default IMO. > > With
this change, `C-s M-s i' will switch from 'open to 't, allowing > to display
all invisible text temporarily, or from 't to 'open, > allowing to only open
overlays containing hidden text. > > What do you think? [...]
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> I see very little value in setting `search-invisible' to t.
>
> Also, when doing so, text that is hidden with an overlay is not hit
> during a search, only text that is hidden through an invisble text
> property, which feels wrong.
>
> I suggest this change: when `search-invisible' is set to `t',
> temporarily turn visible-mode on in isearch-mode. The meaning of
> 'open would not change and 'open is fine as a default IMO.
>
> With this change, `C-s M-s i' will switch from 'open to 't, allowing
> to display all invisible text temporarily, or from 't to 'open,
> allowing to only open overlays containing hidden text.
>
> What do you think?
I think we should keep the value `t' because it might be useful
for some users. And add a new value like `open-all' that in its behavior
is similar to `open' but additionally will open all overlays at once
using `visible-mode' as you suggested to do.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#16493; Package emacs.
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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) I see very little value in setting `search-invisible' to t. Also, when doing so, text that is hidden with an overlay is not hit during a search, only text that is hidden through an invisble text property, which feels wrong. I suggest this change: when `search-invisible' is set to `t', temporarily turn visible-mode on in isearch-mode. The meaning of 'open would not change and 'open is fine as a default IMO. With this change, `C-s M-s i' will switch from 'open to 't, allowing to display all invisible text temporarily, or from 't to 'open, allowing to only open overlays containing hidden text. What do you think? In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.6) of 2014-01-13 on bzg Repository revision: 116011 monnier@HIDDEN Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11405000 System Description: Arch Linux Important settings: value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Group Minor modes in effect: gnus-topic-mode: t helm-match-plugin-mode: t erc-list-mode: t erc-menu-mode: t erc-autojoin-mode: t erc-ring-mode: t erc-networks-mode: t erc-pcomplete-mode: t erc-track-mode: t erc-match-mode: t erc-button-mode: t erc-fill-mode: t erc-stamp-mode: t erc-netsplit-mode: t erc-irccontrols-mode: t erc-noncommands-mode: t erc-move-to-prompt-mode: t erc-readonly-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t gnus-undo-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t display-time-mode: t show-paren-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t 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Bastien Guerry <bzg@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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