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Subject: bug#16497: 24.3.50; `move-to-column' ignores invisible text at the beginning of the line, which create problems when using string-rectangle
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emacs -Q
C-x C-f ~/test.org

Then insert this

#+TITLE: test

=abc=
=def=

M-: (setq org-hide-emphasis-markers t) RET

Go back to the buffer, hit C-c C-c.

The = characters are now hidden.

Go back to the beginning of the =abc= line.

C-SPC C-n C-x r t SPC RET yields

= abc=
=def=

instead of

 =abc=
=def=

`move-to-column' seems to go back to the first visibile character of
the column, not the true first character.



In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.6)
 of 2014-01-13 on bzg
Repository revision: 116011 monnier@HIDDEN
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11405000
System Description:	Arch Linux

Important settings:
  value of $LC_COLLATE: C
  value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Org

Minor modes in effect:
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Recent input:
M-: ( s e t q SPC o r g - h j i d e <C-backspace> h 
i d e - e m <M-tab> SPC t ) <return> C-x C-f a . o 
r <tab> <return> C-x C-s <down> <down> <tab> C-x C-s 
<down> <down> <up> <up> <up> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> <up> <up> C-u C-x = C-x o C-e C-a <C-down> <C-down> 
<C-down> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> C-e C-a <up> <up> 
<up> C-e C-a C-x o <up> C-e <up> C-a <tab> <tab> <down> 
C-d C-d C-e C-a C-x C-s C-SPC C-n C-n C-x r t SPC SPC 
<return> C-/ C-x C-s C-e C-a C-x C-s C-SPC C-n C-n 
C-x r t SPC SPC <return> M-: <up> C-e <C-left> C-d 
n i l C-e <return> <C-up> <C-up> <C-up> <C-up> C-c 
C-c M-: <up> C-e <return> M-: <up> C-e <C-left> M-d 
t C-e <return> C-a <C-up> C-c C-c C-x C-s <C-down> 
<C-down> C-x C-s <C-up> <up> <up> C-x C-s C-e C-a C-x 
C-s M-x r e p o <tab> r <tab> b u <tab> <return> m 
o v e - t o - c o l M-/ C-a C-e <M-tab> M-/ C-e <tab> 
<C-backspace> C-g C-h f m o v e - t o - c <tab> C-SPC 
C-a M-w C-g M-x <up> <return>

Recent messages:
Wrote /home/guerry/a.org
(No changes need to be saved) [3 times]
Making completion list...
Scanning for dabbrevs...done
user-error: No dynamic expansion for `move-to-col' found
Scanning for dabbrevs...done
user-error: No dynamic expansion for `move-to-col' found
Quit [2 times]
Scanning for dabbrevs...done
user-error: No dynamic expansion for `string-rect' found

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> From: Bastien Guerry <bzg@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 17:26:34 +0100
> 
> emacs -Q
> C-x C-f ~/test.org
> 
> Then insert this
> 
> #+TITLE: test
> 
> =abc=
> =def=
> 
> M-: (setq org-hide-emphasis-markers t) RET
> 
> Go back to the buffer, hit C-c C-c.

This should read "Go back to the BEGINNING of the buffer, hit C-c
C-c."  Otherwise C-c C-c does nothing but bitch at you.

> The = characters are now hidden.
> 
> Go back to the beginning of the =abc= line.
> 
> C-SPC C-n C-x r t SPC RET yields
> 
> = abc=
> =def=
> 
> instead of
> 
>  =abc=
> =def=

What I see is this instead:

= abc=
= def=

> `move-to-column' seems to go back to the first visibile character of
> the column, not the true first character.

Is it possible to concoct a simple test case that explicitly uses
move-to-column, and doesn't require Org?  I'm afraid you lost me with
all these gestures, and I don't necessarily see how does
move-to-column come into play here.

Thanks.

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> `move-to-column' seems to go back to the first visibile character of
> the column, not the true first character.

Indeed.  And it's not the right choice in your case.  But I'm pretty
sure it is the right choice in other cases.

Maybe we should make move-to-column pay attention to stickiness so that
you con control where it stops by playing with text-properties's
stickiness (or overlay's insertion types).

But just changing the behavior from one side to the other will just fix
it in some cases and break it in others.


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Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:

> Indeed.  And it's not the right choice in your case.  But I'm pretty
> sure it is the right choice in other cases.

I agree.

> Maybe we should make move-to-column pay attention to stickiness so that
> you con control where it stops by playing with text-properties's
> stickiness (or overlay's insertion types).

Another way is to have a parameter to possibly ignore invisibility
specs altogether.

If we rely on stickiness, then the fact that front-sticky is nil by
default suggests that (move-to-column 0) should ignore invisible text
while going back to the beginning of the line, because you don't want
to leave the point in a position where it will inherit from the
previous invisible property.  But this interpretation seems fragile.

> But just changing the behavior from one side to the other will just fix
> it in some cases and break it in others.

Yes, agreed too.

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Hi Eli,

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> Is it possible to concoct a simple test case that explicitly uses
> move-to-column, and doesn't require Org?

emacs -Q
M-: (insert "abc") RET
C-a
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The point is between the invisible character and "b", which
feels wrong even in terms of interactively inserting text.

It is also wrong when you C-x r t SPC RET, as the rectangle
will be inserted after the real first (invisible) character
of the line.

Hope this clarifies,

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> From: Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN>
> Cc: 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:22:02 +0100
> 
> emacs -Q
> M-: (insert "abc") RET
> C-a
> M-: (put-text-property (point) (1+ (point)) 'invisible t) RET
> M-: (move-to-column 0)
> 
> The point is between the invisible character and "b", which
> feels wrong even in terms of interactively inserting text.

Thanks.

move-to-column is a screen-moving command, and it has been skipping
invisible text for the past 18 years.  It also accounts for various
other display-only features and artifacts.  (It is a pity that this is
not documented; I think it's a documentation bug.)

So now I'm wondering why you thought you should be using this
function, if what you need is (AFAIU) to get to the Nth character
starting from the beginning of a line.  E.g., move-to-column also
accounts for double-width characters (it counts them as 2 columns),
and also for how composed characters are displayed (it could count N
composed characters as M ~= N columns).  It also accounts for
characters displayed via display tables.  Are you sure you want all
this in the job you need to do with the rectangle?

Or maybe you just want line-move-to-column.

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> From: Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN>
> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:11:28 +0100
> Cc: 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > Maybe we should make move-to-column pay attention to stickiness so that
> > you con control where it stops by playing with text-properties's
> > stickiness (or overlay's insertion types).
> 
> Another way is to have a parameter to possibly ignore invisibility
> specs altogether.

Before we design the interface, can we please define what is the job
to be done here?  If it's just to get to Nth character from bol,
aren't there easier ways of doing that?

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> move-to-column is a screen-moving command, and it has been skipping
> invisible text for the past 18 years.  It also accounts for various
> other display-only features and artifacts.  (It is a pity that this is
> not documented; I think it's a documentation bug.)
>
> So now I'm wondering why you thought you should be using this
> function, if what you need is (AFAIU) to get to the Nth character
> starting from the beginning of a line.

I don't think I should be using this command: I just used
`string-rectangle' which uses it (see my original report.)

> E.g., move-to-column also
> accounts for double-width characters (it counts them as 2 columns),
> and also for how composed characters are displayed (it could count N
> composed characters as M ~= N columns).  It also accounts for
> characters displayed via display tables.  Are you sure you want all
> this in the job you need to do with the rectangle?
>
> Or maybe you just want line-move-to-column.

Interestingly, the docstring of `line-move-to-column' is this:

  Try to find column COL, considering invisibility.
  This function works only in certain cases,
  because what we really need is for `move-to-column'
  and `current-column' to be able to ignore invisible text.

suggesting to improve `move-to-column' and `current-column'
by allowing them to handle invisible text.

-- 
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> Before we design the interface, can we please define what is the job
> to be done here?

I don't know what needs to be done, but what's confusing is that both
`move-to-column' and `line-move-to-column' ignore invisible characters
within the line, but `line-move-to-column' goes back to real beginning
of the line while `move-to-column' goes back to the visual beginning
of the line.

> If it's just to get to Nth character from bol, aren't there easier
> ways of doing that?

Sure.  If `string-rectangle' can do the right thing with no change
in such internals, that's good -- but I trust Stefan when he says
that there may be cases where you want `string-rectangle' to behave
as it does now.

Another probably related quirk:

emacs -Q
M-: (insert "abc") RET
C-a
M-: (put-text-property (point) (1+ (point)) 'invisible t) RET
C-a
C-a
C-a

... !  See the point moving from b to c and back again.
Probably some heisenbug since edebug-defun'ing move-beginning-of-line
and stepping through it does not have the bug.

Such a contrived example does not deserve a bug report, but i thought
maybe this is related to the current discussion.

-- 
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> move-to-column is a screen-moving command, and it has been skipping
> invisible text for the past 18 years.  It also accounts for various
> other display-only features and artifacts.  (It is a pity that this is
> not documented; I think it's a documentation bug.)

+1

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> emacs -Q
> M-: (insert "abc") RET
> C-a
> M-: (put-text-property (point) (1+ (point)) 'invisible t) RET
> C-a
> C-a
> C-a

> ... !  See the point moving from b to c and back again.

It's probably due to the post-command processing which tries to move
point outside of invisible regions and to pretend that invisible regions
don't exist at all (and paying attention to stickiness so that it
prefers text positions where `invisible' won't be inherited).

So moving from "before a" to "before b" ends up moving to "before c"
so that C-f from "before a" moves visually by one char (to "before c").


        Stefan

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Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:

> It's probably due to the post-command processing which tries to move
> point outside of invisible regions and to pretend that invisible regions
> don't exist at all (and paying attention to stickiness so that it
> prefers text positions where `invisible' won't be inherited).
>
> So moving from "before a" to "before b" ends up moving to "before c"
> so that C-f from "before a" moves visually by one char (to "before c").

Thanks -- you nearly lost me here!

Should not this be considered a bug?

I don't have a real-world use case where this would happen,
but it is obviously wrong and suggests other similar errors
could bite the user.

-- 
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>> It's probably due to the post-command processing which tries to move
>> point outside of invisible regions and to pretend that invisible regions
>> don't exist at all (and paying attention to stickiness so that it
>> prefers text positions where `invisible' won't be inherited).
>> So moving from "before a" to "before b" ends up moving to "before c"
>> so that C-f from "before a" moves visually by one char (to "before c").
> Thanks -- you nearly lost me here!
> Should not this be considered a bug?

Yes, it's a bug in `move-beginning-of-line' which moves forward (to
"before b") when you're just before a, whereas it should always never
move forward.


        Stefan

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> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>,  16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:14:37 -0500
> 
> > emacs -Q
> > M-: (insert "abc") RET
> > C-a
> > M-: (put-text-property (point) (1+ (point)) 'invisible t) RET
> > C-a
> > C-a
> > C-a
> 
> > ... !  See the point moving from b to c and back again.
> 
> It's probably due to the post-command processing which tries to move
> point outside of invisible regions and to pretend that invisible regions
> don't exist at all (and paying attention to stickiness so that it
> prefers text positions where `invisible' won't be inherited).

Indeed, and the direction where it moves point depends on the previous
command and/or movement direction.

It's a murky area full of semi-working heuristics.

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Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:

>>> It's probably due to the post-command processing which tries to move
>>> point outside of invisible regions and to pretend that invisible regions
>>> don't exist at all (and paying attention to stickiness so that it
>>> prefers text positions where `invisible' won't be inherited).
>>> So moving from "before a" to "before b" ends up moving to "before c"
>>> so that C-f from "before a" moves visually by one char (to "before c").
>> Thanks -- you nearly lost me here!
>> Should not this be considered a bug?
>
> Yes, it's a bug in `move-beginning-of-line' which moves forward (to
> "before b") when you're just before a, whereas it should always never
> move forward.

I see this is now fixed in trunk, thanks.

-- 
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