Received: (at 16497) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2014 20:55:14 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 20 15:55:14 2014 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58751 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1W5LsG-0007sW-U7 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:55:13 -0500 Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com ([209.85.212.173]:52599) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <bastienguerry@HIDDEN>) id 1W5LsD-0007sI-DG for 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:55:10 -0500 Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id d13so3666169wiw.6 for <16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:55:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=pgaoFa5/GTKe6j79OK2zflXyqvmlnPk3PnuevBgdopc=; b=NPCXB+is9Iusv32wHdPexLM5/sk9caJ7q0V/FvX3XFs9536P5YCUT88bnSIUAFWsuF YW5YVu1jartm6nfyloNV5IRRFCuNLmRiseclHOVLJq5c0k0Yv8DoOT9PimiWmIfDRdXF PV5qCfgbfYUrtDB0sbbat6jlqheZtgqXBc3u89CoV/8kMWOi1tP7WScSZ8b2s6v6Cgv5 TVki8LgUHETFCocFK4qbVM+AIdQQ90f4cLym9h8gmNE4ooSURHqcLHBCdnRPmgonAlHl gdughVXjv26Pp9WK663PnuvepU/qCkMMDCY0n8YRAjZFUQXAoEIyXzhOwEfwbYWi3zGL xwkw== X-Received: by 10.194.79.165 with SMTP id k5mr15776554wjx.44.1390251308115; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from bzg.localdomain (mar75-2-81-56-68-112.fbx.proxad.net. [81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dh8sm5003899wib.4.2014.01.20.12.55.06 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:55:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DB1DF1C2074C; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 21:55:05 +0100 (CET) From: Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#16497: 24.3.50; `move-to-column' ignores invisible text at the beginning of the line, which create problems when using string-rectangle In-Reply-To: <jwveh4279q4.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:10:47 -0500") References: <87ob38gcp1.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvbnz7d7is.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87wqhv2f27.fsf@HIDDEN> <83d2jmirt1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fvoilhri.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvzjmq7cc6.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87d2jmjyx0.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwveh4279q4.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 21:55:05 +0100 Message-ID: <87mwiq2x1y.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16497 Cc: 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes: >>> It's probably due to the post-command processing which tries to move >>> point outside of invisible regions and to pretend that invisible regions >>> don't exist at all (and paying attention to stickiness so that it >>> prefers text positions where `invisible' won't be inherited). >>> So moving from "before a" to "before b" ends up moving to "before c" >>> so that C-f from "before a" moves visually by one char (to "before c"). >> Thanks -- you nearly lost me here! >> Should not this be considered a bug? > > Yes, it's a bug in `move-beginning-of-line' which moves forward (to > "before b") when you're just before a, whereas it should always never > move forward. I see this is now fixed in trunk, thanks. -- Bastien
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>> It's probably due to the post-command processing which tries to move
>> point outside of invisible regions and to pretend that invisible regions
>> don't exist at all (and paying attention to stickiness so that it
>> prefers text positions where `invisible' won't be inherited).
>> So moving from "before a" to "before b" ends up moving to "before c"
>> so that C-f from "before a" moves visually by one char (to "before c").
> Thanks -- you nearly lost me here!
> Should not this be considered a bug?
Yes, it's a bug in `move-beginning-of-line' which moves forward (to
"before b") when you're just before a, whereas it should always never
move forward.
Stefan
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> emacs -Q
> M-: (insert "abc") RET
> C-a
> M-: (put-text-property (point) (1+ (point)) 'invisible t) RET
> C-a
> C-a
> C-a
> ... ! See the point moving from b to c and back again.
It's probably due to the post-command processing which tries to move
point outside of invisible regions and to pretend that invisible regions
don't exist at all (and paying attention to stickiness so that it
prefers text positions where `invisible' won't be inherited).
So moving from "before a" to "before b" ends up moving to "before c"
so that C-f from "before a" moves visually by one char (to "before c").
Stefan
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#16497; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 16497) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2014 18:10:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 20 13:10:19 2014 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58640 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1W5JIg-0002d2-Nn for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:10:18 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:37720) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1W5JIe-0002cl-64 for 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:10:16 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s0KIACp6023426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Jan 2014 18:10:13 GMT Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s0KIABsC026326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Jan 2014 18:10:11 GMT Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s0KIAAlR018503; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 18:10:10 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <17e89a53-1fee-44e5-9742-7da54d056837@default> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:10:10 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN> Subject: RE: bug#16497: 24.3.50; `move-to-column' ignores invisible text at the beginning of the line, which create problems when using string-rectangle References: <<87ob38gcp1.fsf@HIDDEN>> <<83vbxfj3qo.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sisj2ekl.fsf@HIDDEN>> <<83eh42iry6.fsf@HIDDEN>> In-Reply-To: <<83eh42iry6.fsf@HIDDEN>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16497 Cc: 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) > move-to-column is a screen-moving command, and it has been skipping > invisible text for the past 18 years. It also accounts for various > other display-only features and artifacts. (It is a pity that this is > not documented; I think it's a documentation bug.) +1
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#16497; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 16497) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2014 16:50:31 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 20 11:50:31 2014 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58558 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1W5I3S-0007Nn-Q1 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:50:31 -0500 Received: from mail-we0-f170.google.com ([74.125.82.170]:56689) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <bastienguerry@HIDDEN>) id 1W5I3Q-0007Na-4j for 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:50:28 -0500 Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id u57so7204138wes.1 for <16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 08:50:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=5m9aKBb2a+KCd6SRX5zrOvfKM8Jc7FGm6HiiIQxhA2o=; b=j34wm6tLcPTsHS7ddukKuvN3tNv+pw0nbSXRdVG/J9eJTdXYk/c2MD3Sonl9BuI46Q hDcWOHLQ6wAI/Xnygzb+D9g/bvSS7DxNLmBgKkqykf3yJkO7QRxRUzEBroDIKuf70jqo AUensCalDDyQekjQXeOZqphPlnQZPzogtwdKiM6+3sp185aMiBuQEZ9rdIm8gbPA0fEl pqrOANN+v+kZwM7NCR98RjHXn2yDpa2eqXLLEivJwwMLMCkaJ5XsZdtTna89hD4H5Jn4 WO9mWxsWdFcQoHFfSP4Cmr6naiVJ2to+dUWziAgr5nnbvjbZKcWtRsp5qbZDiCToYnb+ lxmQ== X-Received: by 10.180.76.168 with SMTP id l8mr10912021wiw.40.1390236626926; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 08:50:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from bzg.localdomain (AMontsouris-651-1-1-52.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr. [90.46.36.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id co15sm2333227wjb.12.2014.01.20.08.50.25 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Jan 2014 08:50:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 554AF1C2074C; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:50:25 +0100 (CET) From: Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#16497: 24.3.50; `move-to-column' ignores invisible text at the beginning of the line, which create problems when using string-rectangle In-Reply-To: <83d2jmirt1.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:41:46 +0200") References: <87ob38gcp1.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvbnz7d7is.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87wqhv2f27.fsf@HIDDEN> <83d2jmirt1.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:50:25 +0100 Message-ID: <87fvoilhri.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16497 Cc: 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Before we design the interface, can we please define what is the job > to be done here? I don't know what needs to be done, but what's confusing is that both `move-to-column' and `line-move-to-column' ignore invisible characters within the line, but `line-move-to-column' goes back to real beginning of the line while `move-to-column' goes back to the visual beginning of the line. > If it's just to get to Nth character from bol, aren't there easier > ways of doing that? Sure. If `string-rectangle' can do the right thing with no change in such internals, that's good -- but I trust Stefan when he says that there may be cases where you want `string-rectangle' to behave as it does now. Another probably related quirk: emacs -Q M-: (insert "abc") RET C-a M-: (put-text-property (point) (1+ (point)) 'invisible t) RET C-a C-a C-a ... ! See the point moving from b to c and back again. Probably some heisenbug since edebug-defun'ing move-beginning-of-line and stepping through it does not have the bug. Such a contrived example does not deserve a bug report, but i thought maybe this is related to the current discussion. -- Bastien
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#16497; Package emacs.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#16497; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 16497) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2014 15:41:43 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 20 10:41:43 2014 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58470 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1W5Gys-00054j-T5 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:41:43 -0500 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:45518) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1W5Gyp-00054V-Qt for 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:41:40 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MZP00100I2IM200@HIDDEN> for 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:41:38 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MZP001S2I9D9E50@HIDDEN>; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:41:38 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:41:46 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#16497: 24.3.50; `move-to-column' ignores invisible text at the beginning of the line, which create problems when using string-rectangle In-reply-to: <87wqhv2f27.fsf@HIDDEN> X-012-Sender: halo1@HIDDEN To: Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN> Message-id: <83d2jmirt1.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87ob38gcp1.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvbnz7d7is.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <87wqhv2f27.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16497 Cc: 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:11:28 +0100 > Cc: 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > Maybe we should make move-to-column pay attention to stickiness so that > > you con control where it stops by playing with text-properties's > > stickiness (or overlay's insertion types). > > Another way is to have a parameter to possibly ignore invisibility > specs altogether. Before we design the interface, can we please define what is the job to be done here? If it's just to get to Nth character from bol, aren't there easier ways of doing that?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#16497; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 16497) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2014 15:38:40 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 20 10:38:39 2014 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58466 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1W5Gvu-0004z3-R5 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:38:39 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:62763) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1W5Gvq-0004yo-RO for 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:38:35 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MZP00800I2VI700@HIDDEN> for 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:38:33 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MZP0075VI48TEC0@HIDDEN>; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:38:33 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:38:41 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#16497: 24.3.50; `move-to-column' ignores invisible text at the beginning of the line, which create problems when using string-rectangle In-reply-to: <87sisj2ekl.fsf@HIDDEN> X-012-Sender: halo1@HIDDEN To: Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN> Message-id: <83eh42iry6.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87ob38gcp1.fsf@HIDDEN> <83vbxfj3qo.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sisj2ekl.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16497 Cc: 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN> > Cc: 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:22:02 +0100 > > emacs -Q > M-: (insert "abc") RET > C-a > M-: (put-text-property (point) (1+ (point)) 'invisible t) RET > M-: (move-to-column 0) > > The point is between the invisible character and "b", which > feels wrong even in terms of interactively inserting text. Thanks. move-to-column is a screen-moving command, and it has been skipping invisible text for the past 18 years. It also accounts for various other display-only features and artifacts. (It is a pity that this is not documented; I think it's a documentation bug.) So now I'm wondering why you thought you should be using this function, if what you need is (AFAIU) to get to the Nth character starting from the beginning of a line. E.g., move-to-column also accounts for double-width characters (it counts them as 2 columns), and also for how composed characters are displayed (it could count N composed characters as M ~= N columns). It also accounts for characters displayed via display tables. Are you sure you want all this in the job you need to do with the rectangle? Or maybe you just want line-move-to-column.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#16497; Package emacs.
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Subject: Re: bug#16497: 24.3.50;
`move-to-column' ignores invisible text at the beginning of the line,
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> `move-to-column' seems to go back to the first visibile character of
> the column, not the true first character.
Indeed. And it's not the right choice in your case. But I'm pretty
sure it is the right choice in other cases.
Maybe we should make move-to-column pay attention to stickiness so that
you con control where it stops by playing with text-properties's
stickiness (or overlay's insertion types).
But just changing the behavior from one side to the other will just fix
it in some cases and break it in others.
Stefan
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Full text available.Received: (at 16497) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2014 17:11:48 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 19 12:11:48 2014 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57260 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1W4vuV-0000Uv-Hn for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 12:11:47 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:63099) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1W4vuR-0000Uh-IG for 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 12:11:45 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MZN00700QV3CH00@HIDDEN> for 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:11:41 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MZN007NLRRDEI20@HIDDEN>; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:11:38 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:11:43 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#16497: 24.3.50; `move-to-column' ignores invisible text at the beginning of the line, which create problems when using string-rectangle In-reply-to: <87ob38gcp1.fsf@HIDDEN> X-012-Sender: halo1@HIDDEN To: Bastien Guerry <bzg@HIDDEN> Message-id: <83vbxfj3qo.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87ob38gcp1.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16497 Cc: 16497 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Bastien Guerry <bzg@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 17:26:34 +0100 > > emacs -Q > C-x C-f ~/test.org > > Then insert this > > #+TITLE: test > > =abc= > =def= > > M-: (setq org-hide-emphasis-markers t) RET > > Go back to the buffer, hit C-c C-c. This should read "Go back to the BEGINNING of the buffer, hit C-c C-c." Otherwise C-c C-c does nothing but bitch at you. > The = characters are now hidden. > > Go back to the beginning of the =abc= line. > > C-SPC C-n C-x r t SPC RET yields > > = abc= > =def= > > instead of > > =abc= > =def= What I see is this instead: = abc= = def= > `move-to-column' seems to go back to the first visibile character of > the column, not the true first character. Is it possible to concoct a simple test case that explicitly uses move-to-column, and doesn't require Org? I'm afraid you lost me with all these gestures, and I don't necessarily see how does move-to-column come into play here. Thanks.
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[81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x4sm14962234wif.0.2014.01.19.08.26.35 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 19 Jan 2014 08:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A13AE1C20079; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 17:26:34 +0100 (CET) From: Bastien Guerry <bzg@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 24.3.50; `move-to-column' ignores invisible text at the beginning of the line, which create problems when using string-rectangle Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 17:26:34 +0100 Message-ID: <87ob38gcp1.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) emacs -Q C-x C-f ~/test.org Then insert this #+TITLE: test =abc= =def= M-: (setq org-hide-emphasis-markers t) RET Go back to the buffer, hit C-c C-c. The = characters are now hidden. Go back to the beginning of the =abc= line. C-SPC C-n C-x r t SPC RET yields = abc= =def= instead of =abc= =def= `move-to-column' seems to go back to the first visibile character of the column, not the true first character. 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