X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#16669: inconsistent 'rm -ir' prompting behavior Resent-From: Eric Blake <eblake@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 16:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.16669.B.139170477330654 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: report 16669 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 16669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-coreutils@HIDDEN Received: via spool by submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B.139170477330654 (code B ref -1); Thu, 06 Feb 2014 16:40:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2014 16:39:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53575 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1WBRzA-0007yK-FY for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:39:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34425) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <eblake@HIDDEN>) id 1WBRz6-0007y8-KD for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:39:30 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eblake@HIDDEN>) id 1WBRz1-0007p3-Ga for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:39:28 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:55899) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eblake@HIDDEN>) id 1WBRz1-0007oz-ED for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:39:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36091) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eblake@HIDDEN>) id 1WBRyw-0006hk-PO for bug-coreutils@HIDDEN; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:39:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eblake@HIDDEN>) id 1WBRys-0007mo-9d for bug-coreutils@HIDDEN; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:39:18 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:15597) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eblake@HIDDEN>) id 1WBRys-0007mC-1U for bug-coreutils@HIDDEN; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:39:14 -0500 Received: from int-mx02.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx02.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.12]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s16GdB37029554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <bug-coreutils@HIDDEN>; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 11:39:12 -0500 Received: from [10.3.113.39] (ovpn-113-39.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.113.39]) by int-mx02.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s16GdAOw020321 for <bug-coreutils@HIDDEN>; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 11:39:11 -0500 Message-ID: <52F3BAAE.9060107@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 09:39:10 -0700 From: Eric Blake <eblake@HIDDEN> Organization: Red Hat, Inc. 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They pointed out that GNU has an optimization not allowed by a strict reading of the current standard: $ mkdir foo $ rm -ir foo rm: remove directory =E2=80=98foo=E2=80=99? Whether you answer yes or no, the point remains: rm only prompted once about removing the empty directory. Compare that to other implementations, such as Solaris: $ rm -ir /tmp/foo rm: examine files in directory /tmp/foo (yes/no)? y rm: remove /tmp/foo (yes/no)? y $ Note that the optimization implies that we did a readdir() on the directory before deciding whether to prompt, in order to learn if it was empty; and that readdir() modifies directory atime; in the Solaris implementation, readdir() is not even attempted until after a positive prompt response, which means directory atime is unchanged if the user chooses not to descend. Meanwhile, for a non-empty directory, we DO prompt twice for the director= y: $ touch foo/bar $ rm -ir foo rm: descend into directory =E2=80=98foo=E2=80=99? y rm: remove regular empty file =E2=80=98foo/bar=E2=80=99? y rm: remove directory =E2=80=98foo=E2=80=99? Here, we get the POSIX-mandated double prompting, once to descend, and once after recursion is complete to see whether to remove the now-empty directory. The argument is whether the GNU optimization of prompting only once for an empty directory violates POSIX (and where it is observable by a new directory atime), or whether we should patch POSIX to allow the GNU optimization. In the meeting, I ended up with an action item to right the bug report against POSIX to propose wording that would allow the GNU behavior. Conversely, consider: $ rm -ir foo rm: descend into directory =E2=80=98foo=E2=80=99? y rm: remove regular empty file =E2=80=98foo/bar=E2=80=99? n rm: remove directory =E2=80=98foo=E2=80=99? y rm: cannot remove =E2=80=98foo=E2=80=99: Directory not empty Why on earth are we prompting to remove 'foo' when we KNOW it is non-empty because the user specifically asked to not remove foo/bar? If we can optimize from two prompts down to one for the empty directory case, why are we not optimizing and avoiding asking a useless prompt for a known non-empty directory? So, while writing my POSIX bug report, should I also allow for an optimization of omitting the second prompt for a known non-empty directory (known because of a negative answer to prompts on its children), even though GNU does not yet implement that optimization? --=20 Eric Blake eblake redhat com +1-919-301-3266 Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org --Qk8SVxWqh6ir0Wk1EPL3OklsmClb3gc9L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Public key at http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJS87quAAoJEKeha0olJ0NqL+wH/iZpJwMVYNm0gQAAaminC89T GT8oQj3+OK90L933lei/2XSuoR+8oGhFvkk3/uoYiqRY0oTlavvUelRMcI/uv0V2 10+hFmyJSYQDZ7VS0BKrVYVSqyHTZI1xGDuzVBn4gYFtPFwRwVqbFStoKI4iOU1a Zh2jNOPOcpbMMTeP61b2DaSdWAQSCfJf9aOnixsr7c+kyFE9FWjmKbrNPZp2fTOj ff36Bfw/WW3dqq8khX1qgMzzwISj0NKYeiBX9Ll8K9JvM8q+Wvm2gYaZWLhKze0n VhgeYvJYe4QpZO9FgQiLc4ijDccUdEfW3NmBJqBnUZpTRxURG97TZkHK29+GK2U= =7wcC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Qk8SVxWqh6ir0Wk1EPL3OklsmClb3gc9L--
Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN From: help-debbugs@HIDDEN (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Eric Blake <eblake@HIDDEN> Subject: bug#16669: Acknowledgement (inconsistent 'rm -ir' prompting behavior) Message-ID: <handler.16669.B.139170477330654.ack <at> debbugs.gnu.org> References: <52F3BAAE.9060107@HIDDEN> X-Gnu-PR-Message: ack 16669 X-Gnu-PR-Package: coreutils Reply-To: 16669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 16:40:02 +0000 Thank you for filing a new bug report with debbugs.gnu.org. This is an automatically generated reply to let you know your message has been received. Your message is being forwarded to the package maintainers and other interested parties for their attention; they will reply in due course. Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s): bug-coreutils@HIDDEN If you wish to submit further information on this problem, please send it to 16669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Please do not send mail to help-debbugs@HIDDEN unless you wish to report a problem with the Bug-tracking system. --=20 16669: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D16669 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@HIDDEN with problems
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#16669: inconsistent 'rm -ir' prompting behavior Resent-From: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:04:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.16669.B16669.1391706240867 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16669 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eric Blake <eblake@HIDDEN>, 16669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16669-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B16669.1391706240867 (code B ref 16669); Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:04:02 +0000 Received: (at 16669) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2014 17:04:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53591 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1WBSMp-0000Du-It for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:04:00 -0500 Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:42445) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <eggert@HIDDEN>) id 1WBSMm-0000Dl-8o for 16669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:03:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C2EA60001; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 09:03:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AgOxn-ylfv7o; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 09:03:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A9A9239E8017; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 09:03:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52F3C076.3080105@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 09:03:50 -0800 From: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <52F3BAAE.9060107@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <52F3BAAE.9060107@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) On 02/06/2014 08:39 AM, Eric Blake wrote: > should I also allow for an optimization of omitting the second prompt > for a known non-empty directory I would, yes. Thanks for catching that. > (known because of a negative answer to > prompts on its children) It might also be known because of a failed attempt to remove a child, and this optimization should be allowed as well.
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#16669: inconsistent 'rm -ir' prompting behavior Resent-From: Eric Blake <eblake@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.16669.B16669.139170802712710 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16669 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN>, 16669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16669-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B16669.139170802712710 (code B ref 16669); Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 16669) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2014 17:33:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53631 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1WBSpf-0003Iv-6G for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:33:47 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:29430) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <eblake@HIDDEN>) id 1WBSpc-0003Ik-PZ for 16669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:33:46 -0500 Received: from int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.24]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s16HXaFF021303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Feb 2014 12:33:36 -0500 Received: from [10.3.113.39] (ovpn-113-39.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.113.39]) by int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s16HXZev005295; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 12:33:35 -0500 Message-ID: <52F3C76F.9070301@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:33:35 -0700 From: Eric Blake <eblake@HIDDEN> Organization: Red Hat, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <52F3BAAE.9060107@HIDDEN> <52F3C076.3080105@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <52F3C076.3080105@HIDDEN> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 OpenPGP: url=http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Rp0Ltjnk1f1Jbw4hFlPB2NGDjtvixlO6O" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.24 X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Rp0Ltjnk1f1Jbw4hFlPB2NGDjtvixlO6O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/06/2014 10:03 AM, Paul Eggert wrote: > On 02/06/2014 08:39 AM, Eric Blake wrote: >> should I also allow for an optimization of omitting the second prompt >> for a known non-empty directory >=20 > I would, yes. Thanks for catching that. >=20 >> (known because of a negative answer to >> prompts on its children) > It might also be known because of a failed attempt to remove a child, > and this optimization should be allowed as well. http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=3D819 was created to attempt this,= although it may need another round of word-smithing to make sure it is correct for what we want. --=20 Eric Blake eblake redhat com +1-919-301-3266 Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org --Rp0Ltjnk1f1Jbw4hFlPB2NGDjtvixlO6O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Public key at http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJS88dvAAoJEKeha0olJ0NqqRQH/0e5xhxpjbsXUj71VARmFllp 3dzD4j55jcYR7cg0EKi9ehwKqX5F0o2J9cUgdg33KrA1fmtt6Ik8y0uOoFIu/yHM QiceW3Gkgah964yht5HVuY7n0hYnfunk+erS62dibaSAHmhHmJSsSW0EhSGYHPMi 8deVq0b8kP6y/Nphe04zs4qTJ5NjJJoTQOyJ5F0De7LcZe/bgouQasL1gg+RuizG LEKvwnHS2uxNzMAT4hWoOkZpk7HcpLTd1980c0J1KX5rdVOUvz3MLBpNc3/AzeVf lKvZyNbis55JwnloPT2B72NUAftUMfHxc9x3lqawv/ySCeYBZtDdUMbldBjeSP0= =upan -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Rp0Ltjnk1f1Jbw4hFlPB2NGDjtvixlO6O--
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#16669: inconsistent 'rm -ir' prompting behavior Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig?= Brady <P@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.16669.B16669.139170865713832 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16669 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eric Blake <eblake@HIDDEN> Cc: 16669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16669-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B16669.139170865713832 (code B ref 16669); Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 16669) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2014 17:44:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53636 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1WBSzp-0003b2-89 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:44:17 -0500 Received: from mail5.vodafone.ie ([213.233.128.176]:19861) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <P@HIDDEN>) id 1WBSzm-0003aq-0m for 16669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:44:14 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApQBAK7J81Jda8mX/2dsb2JhbAANMhqDRINYu3CBIoMZAQEBAwEjDwFGBQsLDQEKAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUGDQEHAQGHeQ0INqsXdqB4F4EpjVEHgm+BSQSZXYU+jl4 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.79]) ([93.107.201.151]) by mail3.vodafone.ie with ESMTP; 06 Feb 2014 17:44:12 +0000 Message-ID: <52F3C9EB.5060803@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:44:11 +0000 From: =?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig?= Brady <P@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130110 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <52F3BAAE.9060107@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <52F3BAAE.9060107@HIDDEN> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On 02/06/2014 04:39 PM, Eric Blake wrote: > On today's Austin Group call, we discussed > http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=802 regarding 'rm' behavior. > > They pointed out that GNU has an optimization not allowed by a strict > reading of the current standard: > > $ mkdir foo > $ rm -ir foo > rm: remove directory ‘foo’? > > Whether you answer yes or no, the point remains: rm only prompted once > about removing the empty directory [snip] > Conversely, consider: > > $ rm -ir foo > rm: descend into directory ‘foo’? y > rm: remove regular empty file ‘foo/bar’? n > rm: remove directory ‘foo’? y > rm: cannot remove ‘foo’: Directory not empty > > Why on earth are we prompting to remove 'foo' when we KNOW it is > non-empty because the user specifically asked to not remove foo/bar? If > we can optimize from two prompts down to one for the empty directory > case, why are we not optimizing and avoiding asking a useless prompt for > a known non-empty directory? The different handling could be useful I think. When we determine there are no files in a dir, then only one prompt is necessary. If we determine files are present a separate prompt is useful to cater for the following sequence in terminal 1 and terminal 2. 1> $ rm -ir foo 1> rm: descend into directory ‘foo’? y 1> rm: remove regular empty file ‘foo/bar’? n 1> rm: remove directory ‘foo’? 2> mv foo/bar /safe/foo # Handle this unknown file _independently_ 1> y thanks, Pádraig.
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X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#16669: inconsistent 'rm -ir' prompting behavior Resent-From: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 00:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.16669.B16669.154008051122950 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16669 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Assaf Gordon <assafgordon@HIDDEN>, =?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig?= Brady <P@HIDDEN>, Eric Blake <eblake@HIDDEN> Cc: 16669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 16669-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B16669.154008051122950 (code B ref 16669); Sun, 21 Oct 2018 00:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 16669) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2018 00:08:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33633 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gE1IF-0005y6-7u for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 20:08:31 -0400 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:53180) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eggert@HIDDEN>) id 1gE1IE-0005xu-4J for 16669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 20:08:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A877016005D; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 17:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id krLfds-svggj; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 17:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BAA160061; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 17:08:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 6AavfP4f1pj9; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 17:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (cpe-23-242-74-103.socal.res.rr.com [23.242.74.103]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 76B1C16005D; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 17:08:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <52F3BAAE.9060107@HIDDEN> <52F3C9EB.5060803@HIDDEN> <041aa06d-a564-8080-e06f-52adc8180143@HIDDEN> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <38cf4fba-173c-2e9e-79c4-96918ec9f4d4@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 17:08:23 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <041aa06d-a564-8080-e06f-52adc8180143@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Assaf Gordon wrote: > Was there ever a resolution (or a committed fix) > for the "rm -ir" issue in: > https://bugs.gnu.org/16669 Not yet. I'd leave the bug open.
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