Received: (at 20076) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Aug 2018 15:06:16 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 13 11:06:16 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49844 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1fpEQB-00064s-Rp for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:06:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48539) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1fpEQA-00064f-As for 20076 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:06:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1fpEQ4-00036A-6R for 20076 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:06:09 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53362) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1fpEQ4-00035r-2W; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:06:08 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3408 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1fpEQ2-0006w0-VR; Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:06:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 18:06:14 +0300 Message-Id: <83mutqjogp.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87600fw2pf.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Noam Postavsky on Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:05:32 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#20076: 24.4; x-nontext-pointer-shape not existent as option from Lisp code References: <87fv9cwl0l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87600fw2pf.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20076 Cc: 20076 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, v.schneidermann@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:05:32 -0400 > Cc: 20076 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > Is there any particular reason for this peculiar decision? Or more > > generally, why would a desirable feature be present, but commented out > > from code? Are there any special known caveats that led to it? > > I think the reasons are lost to the mist of time, [1: af01ef2643] is the commit > which ifdefs it out; the changelog is not very enlightening. > > [1: af01ef2643]: 1993-05-21 20:22:10 +0000 > (syms_of_xfns): Don't make Lisp vars x-mode-pointer-shape and x-nontext-pointer-shape. > https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=af01ef26430d69c04421aac4d862df4f5898a838 We could perhaps expose these variables to Lisp again, on master, and see if that breaks something in the long run.
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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b129-v6sm12179589ioa.75.2018.08.12.17.05.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:05:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> To: Vasilij Schneidermann <v.schneidermann@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#20076: 24.4; x-nontext-pointer-shape not existent as option from Lisp code References: <87fv9cwl0l.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:05:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87fv9cwl0l.fsf@HIDDEN> (Vasilij Schneidermann's message of "Tue, 10 Mar 2015 23:22:18 +0100") Message-ID: <87600fw2pf.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20076 Cc: 20076 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Vasilij Schneidermann <v.schneidermann@HIDDEN> writes: > I've attempted to customize the shape of the pointer for the current > frame, what I've found out so far is that there are a text property to > change the pointer shape when hovering over it and the `x-pointer-shape' > option which takes effect on hovering over text. Looking at the xfns.c > file in the Emacs 24.4 sources revealed to me that there is a > `x-nontext-pointer-shape' option which is processed similiarly to the > `x-pointer-shape' option, however the code responsible for exposing it > in the Lisp code is commented out with a preprocessor directive. > > Is there any particular reason for this peculiar decision? Or more > generally, why would a desirable feature be present, but commented out > from code? Are there any special known caveats that led to it? I think the reasons are lost to the mist of time, [1: af01ef2643] is the commit which ifdefs it out; the changelog is not very enlightening. [1: af01ef2643]: 1993-05-21 20:22:10 +0000 (syms_of_xfns): Don't make Lisp vars x-mode-pointer-shape and x-nontext-pointer-shape. https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=af01ef26430d69c04421aac4d862df4f5898a838
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[87.78.210.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u6sm3445200wix.12.2015.03.10.15.22.20 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Mar 2015 15:22:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Vasilij Schneidermann <v.schneidermann@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 24.4; x-nontext-pointer-shape not existent as option from Lisp code Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 23:22:18 +0100 Message-ID: <87fv9cwl0l.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) I've attempted to customize the shape of the pointer for the current frame, what I've found out so far is that there are a text property to change the pointer shape when hovering over it and the `x-pointer-shape' option which takes effect on hovering over text. Looking at the xfns.c file in the Emacs 24.4 sources revealed to me that there is a `x-nontext-pointer-shape' option which is processed similiarly to the `x-pointer-shape' option, however the code responsible for exposing it in the Lisp code is commented out with a preprocessor directive. Is there any particular reason for this peculiar decision? Or more generally, why would a desirable feature be present, but commented out from code? Are there any special known caveats that led to it? In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.7) of 2015-01-17 on bisson Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11701000 System Description: Arch Linux Configured using: `configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --libexecdir=/usr/lib --localstatedir=/var --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-xft 'CFLAGS=-march=x86-64 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4' CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro' Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Org Minor modes in effect: org-indent-mode: t remember-notes-mode: t yas-minor-mode: t show-smartparens-mode: t smartparens-mode: t goto-address-mode: t company-quickhelp-mode: t eyebrowse-mode: t global-surround-mode: t surround-mode: t evil-mode: t global-undo-tree-mode: t undo-tree-mode: t evil-local-mode: t which-function-mode: t helm-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t helm-match-plugin-mode: t helm-occur-match-plugin-mode: t shackle-mode: t winner-mode: t savehist-mode: t recentf-mode: t circe-lagmon-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t auto-fill-function: org-auto-fill-function transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-x r e p o r t - e m a c s <return> Recent messages: ad-handle-definition: `tramp-read-passwd' got redefined Helm completion enabled ad-handle-definition: `evil-mode' got redefined [yas] Prepared just-in-time loading for ~/.emacs.d/snippets [yas] Reloaded everything (snippets will load just-in-time).... 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Vasilij Schneidermann <v.schneidermann@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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