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Hello,
I have
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(when (require 'package nil t)
(package-initialize))
(setq
package-archives
'(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
("melpa" . "http://melpa.org/packages/")))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
as only settings related to package.el in my init file.
Whenever I do M-x package-list-packages (once each day), I see a huge
amount of new packages -- ~ 2600 today for example -- most of them from
Melpa. I guess these are mostly packages with a new version available,
but they appear as "new". It behaves like this since some weeks.
Is anyone else seeing this? I find this inconvenient, since I
don't see when (really) new packages were added.
Thanks in advance,
Michael.
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 1:29 AM, SK Kim <tttuuu888@HIDDEN> wrote:
> After i set gnu and mepla for pacakage-archives in my init.el as
> below,
>
> (package-initialize)
> (setq package-archives
> '(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
> ("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")))
>
> whenever i start package-list-packages, status of mepla packages is
> always new.
Seems to be the same as #21703 "25.0.50; package.el: Thousands of new
packages each day", but I'm not able to reproduce.
I put the above as my init.el in a temporary HOME dir, when I run
package-list-packages melpa packages are all "available" for me.
0blayout 20160919.823 available melpa Layout
grouping with ease
2048-game 20151026.1233 available melpa play 2048 in Emacs
4clojure 20131014.1507 available melpa Open and
evaluate 4clojure.com questions
@ 20140707.520 available melpa
multiple-inheritance prototype-based objects DSL
...
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tags 24467 confirmed
severity 24467 minor
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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:
> Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> I put the above as my init.el in a temporary HOME dir, when I run
>> package-list-packages melpa packages are all "available" for me.
>
> Maybe it is different on the first run?
Yes, if I close and reopen Emacs, then I see the "new" packages too.
>
> Hmm, anyway, I found out that with
>
> (package-initialize)
> (setq package-archives
> '(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
> ("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")))
>
> in my init file I see the issue. But with
>
> (setq package-archives
> '(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
> ("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")))
> (package-initialize)
>
> it seems to be fixed (i.e. the same expressions just transposed). With
> other words, `package-archives' seemingly needs to be set before calling
> `package-intialize' (@SK Kim, do you see the same?).
Ah, so the packages are "new" in the sense that they come from archives
added after package-initialize was called.
>
> With the first version, after Emacs startup, `package-archive-contents'
> only includes the "gnu" packages. With the second version, it seems to
> include "everything" (the list is too long to be printed in reasonable
> time). That variable is used to decide what packages are new. That's
> were the problem seems to come from.
>
> I think the behavior is at least "surprising", a pitfall.
Would be nice to avoid it, indeed.
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tags 24467 confirmed
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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:
> Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> I put the above as my init.el in a temporary HOME dir, when I run
>> package-list-packages melpa packages are all "available" for me.
>
> Maybe it is different on the first run?
Yes, if I close and reopen Emacs, then I see the "new" packages too.
>
> Hmm, anyway, I found out that with
>
> (package-initialize)
> (setq package-archives
> '(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
> ("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")))
>
> in my init file I see the issue. But with
>
> (setq package-archives
> '(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
> ("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")))
> (package-initialize)
>
> it seems to be fixed (i.e. the same expressions just transposed). With
> other words, `package-archives' seemingly needs to be set before calling
> `package-intialize' (@SK Kim, do you see the same?).
Ah, so the packages are "new" in the sense that they come from archives
added after package-initialize was called.
>
> With the first version, after Emacs startup, `package-archive-contents'
> only includes the "gnu" packages. With the second version, it seems to
> include "everything" (the list is too long to be printed in reasonable
> time). That variable is used to decide what packages are new. That's
> were the problem seems to come from.
>
> I think the behavior is at least "surprising", a pitfall.
Would be nice to avoid it, indeed.
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Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>> It's clearly a bug, and it's made worse in Emacs-27 where
>> package-initialize is called automatically before reading ~/.emacs.
>> IOW, I think "this" needs to be fixed before Emacs-27.1.
>
> I just installed a patch which should reduce the impact of this problem
> in Emacs-27.1: the problem still occurs if you setq package-archives
> after calling package-initialize, but at least you can now setq
> package-archives in your ~/.emacs rather than having to do it in your
> early-init.el.
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issue?
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> >> It's clearly a bug, and it's made worse in Emacs-27 where
> >> package-initialize is called automatically before reading ~/.emacs.
> >> IOW, I think "this" needs to be fixed before Emacs-27.1.
> >
> > I just installed a patch which should reduce the impact of this problem
> > in Emacs-27.1: the problem still occurs if you setq package-archives
> > after calling package-initialize, but at least you can now setq
> > package-archives in your ~/.emacs rather than having to do it in your
> > early-init.el.
>
> Is there more to be done here, or is this a sufficient solution to the
> issue?
If nothing more was changed, then the originally reported problem is not
fixed. That behavior might still annoy or confuse people then.
Michael.
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