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adding package archives after calling package-initialize lists all their packages as "new"

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Package: emacs; Severity: minor; Reported by: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>; Keywords: confirmed; merged with #24467; dated Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:39:01 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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Subject: Re: bug#21703: adding package archives after calling
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

> Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> >> It's clearly a bug, and it's made worse in Emacs-27 where
> >> package-initialize is called automatically before reading ~/.emacs.
> >> IOW, I think "this" needs to be fixed before Emacs-27.1.
> >
> > I just installed a patch which should reduce the impact of this problem
> > in Emacs-27.1: the problem still occurs if you setq package-archives
> > after calling package-initialize, but at least you can now setq
> > package-archives in your ~/.emacs rather than having to do it in your
> > early-init.el.
>
> Is there more to be done here, or is this a sufficient solution to the
> issue?

If nothing more was changed, then the originally reported problem is not
fixed.  That behavior might still annoy or confuse people then.

Michael.




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Subject: Re: bug#21703: adding package archives after calling
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Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:

>> It's clearly a bug, and it's made worse in Emacs-27 where
>> package-initialize is called automatically before reading ~/.emacs.
>> IOW, I think "this" needs to be fixed before Emacs-27.1.
>
> I just installed a patch which should reduce the impact of this problem
> in Emacs-27.1: the problem still occurs if you setq package-archives
> after calling package-initialize, but at least you can now setq
> package-archives in your ~/.emacs rather than having to do it in your
> early-init.el.

Is there more to be done here, or is this a sufficient solution to the
issue?

-- 
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Changed bug title to 'adding package archives after calling package-initialize lists all their packages as "new"' from '25.0.50; package.el: Thousands of new packages each day' Request was from npostavs@HIDDEN to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.
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Hello,

I have

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(when (require 'package nil t)
  (package-initialize))

(setq
 package-archives
 '(("gnu"   . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
   ("melpa" . "http://melpa.org/packages/")))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

as only settings related to package.el in my init file.

Whenever I do M-x package-list-packages (once each day), I see a huge
amount of new packages -- ~ 2600 today for example -- most of them from
Melpa.  I guess these are mostly packages with a new version available,
but they appear as "new".  It behaves like this since some weeks.

Is anyone else seeing this?  I find this inconvenient, since I
don't see when (really) new packages were added.


Thanks in advance,

Michael.



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Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11702000
System Description:	Debian GNU/Linux testing (stretch)

Configured features:
XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK SOUND DBUS GSETTINGS NOTIFY
LIBXML2 FREETYPE XFT ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11

Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: de_DE.utf8
  value of $LC_COLLATE: C
  value of $LC_TIME: C
  value of $LANG: de_DE.utf8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix





Acknowledgement sent to Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#21703; Package emacs. Full text available.
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