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	eieio.el currently (1dcf9a5d2a72; 2015-12-22 17:02:30 UTC)
	reads:

   943	;; Hook ourselves into help system for describing classes and method=
s.
   944	;; FIXME: This is not actually needed any more since we can click on=
 the
   945	;; hyperlink from the constructor's docstring to see the type defini=
tion.
   946	(add-hook 'help-fns-describe-function-functions 'eieio-help-construc=
tor)

	This results that with -Q, 'eieio-opt gets loaded immediately
	once the user tries to use the Emacs help system (say, C-h f),
	making the file=E2=80=99s description (below) somewhat misleading, as
	the library which is hooked into such a basic Emacs facility
	could hardly be called =E2=80=9Coptional=E2=80=9D.

;;; eieio-opt.el -- eieio optional functions (debug, printing, speedbar)

	I don=E2=80=99t think I deal much with EIEIO objects, but I=E2=80=99ve rem=
oved
	the function from the hook (below) quite some time ago and seen
	no adverse effects so far.  Hence, I guess the add-hook above
	may be reconsidered (per its own FIXME notice.)

(remove-hook 'help-fns-describe-function-functions
             'eieio-help-constructor)

	As an aside, I=E2=80=99ve spotted this issue because eieio-opt depends
	on 'speedbar, which I=E2=80=99ve become aware of a decade ago, and still
	have found no use for; thus anything dependent on it immediately
	raises my suspicion.

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Ivan Shmakov <ivan@HIDDEN> writes:

> 	eieio.el currently (1dcf9a5d2a72; 2015-12-22 17:02:30 UTC)
> 	reads:
>
>    943	;; Hook ourselves into help system for describing classes and meth=
ods.
>    944	;; FIXME: This is not actually needed any more since we can click =
on the
>    945	;; hyperlink from the constructor's docstring to see the type defi=
nition.
>    946	(add-hook 'help-fns-describe-function-functions 'eieio-help-constr=
uctor)
>
> 	This results that with -Q, 'eieio-opt gets loaded immediately
> 	once the user tries to use the Emacs help system (say, C-h f),
> 	making the file=E2=80=99s description (below) somewhat misleading, as
> 	the library which is hooked into such a basic Emacs facility
> 	could hardly be called =E2=80=9Coptional=E2=80=9D.

If comment about this not being needed was added in 2015 by Stefan.  But
it says that it's "actually" not needed, and "actually not" in common
usage means "absolutely is", so that's quite confusing.

But if it's not needed, then it sounds like we should remove it?

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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

> "actually not" in common usage means "absolutely is"

Does it really?  I don't think I've ever seen it used that way.

>    944	;; FIXME: This is not actually needed any more

I interpret this as meaning "this could be removed, but doing so might
also require adjusting some other things".

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Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> writes:

> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
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>> "actually not" in common usage means "absolutely is"
>
> Does it really?  I don't think I've ever seen it used that way.

You haven't noticed that when somebody says "This is actually ..." then
it's usually not "..."?

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