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The visual bell on OS X used to be a large square popped up in the =
middle of
the screen, which was easy to see.  Now it is a very small warning icon, =
and I
often miss it.  Would it be possible to make the warning icon the same =
size as
the square was, or if the icon can only be rendered at that size, =
provide an
option for the old square?






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Hi!

> The visual bell on OS X used to be a large square popped up in the middle
of
> the screen, which was easy to see.  Now it is a very small warning icon,
and I
> often miss it.  Would it be possible to make the warning icon the same
size as
> the square was, or if the icon can only be rendered at that size, provide
an
> option for the old square?

The old code didn't work on El Capitan -- there were some visual artifacts
left behind afterwards.

Since I didn't have access to a machine running El Capitan, I replaced the
code with something that work on all OS versions.

It might be possible to increase the size -- however, the symbol is a
built-in image so there is a risk that an enlarged version will be
pixelated.

I'm open to other solutions to this. Unfortunately, I don't have the time
to work on it myself anymore.

    -- Anders

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi!<br><br>&gt; The visual bell on OS X used to be a large=
 square popped up in the middle of<br>&gt; the screen, which was easy to se=
e.=C2=A0 Now it is a very small warning icon, and I<br>&gt; often miss it.=
=C2=A0 Would it be possible to make the warning icon the same size as<br>&g=
t; the square was, or if the icon can only be rendered at that size, provid=
e an<br>&gt; option for the old square?<br><br>The old code didn&#39;t work=
 on El Capitan -- there were some visual artifacts left behind afterwards.<=
div><br></div><div>Since I didn&#39;t have access to a machine running El C=
apitan, I replaced the code with something that work on all OS versions.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>It might be possible to increase the size -- however=
, the symbol is a built-in image so there is a risk that an enlarged versio=
n will be pixelated.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m open to other solutio=
ns to this. Unfortunately, I don&#39;t have the time to work on it myself a=
nymore.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -- Anders</div><div><br></di=
v></div>

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On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Anders Lindgren <andlind@HIDDEN> wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> The visual bell on OS X used to be a large square popped up in the middle
>> of
>> the screen, which was easy to see.  Now it is a very small warning icon,
>> and I
>> often miss it.  Would it be possible to make the warning icon the same
>> size as
>> the square was, or if the icon can only be rendered at that size, provide
>> an
>> option for the old square?
>
> The old code didn't work on El Capitan -- there were some visual artifacts
> left behind afterwards.
>
> Since I didn't have access to a machine running El Capitan, I replaced the
> code with something that work on all OS versions.
>
> It might be possible to increase the size -- however, the symbol is a
> built-in image so there is a risk that an enlarged version will be
> pixelated.
>
> I'm open to other solutions to this. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to
> work on it myself anymore.
>
>     -- Anders
>

Emacs mac port has the option to flash the top line and mini buffer as
visible bell, can we introduce this feature to Nextstep port?

- Xin

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>>>>> Xu Xin <railwaycat@HIDDEN> writes:

> Emacs mac port has the option to flash the top line and mini buffer as
> visible bell, can we introduce this feature to Nextstep port?

I'd like this too, although now that the visual bell icon is bigger, it's been
working for me.

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John Wiegley <jwiegley@HIDDEN> writes:

>>>>>> Xu Xin <railwaycat@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Emacs mac port has the option to flash the top line and mini buffer as
>> visible bell, can we introduce this feature to Nextstep port?
>
> I'd like this too, although now that the visual bell icon is bigger, it's been
> working for me.

What would be the ideal visible bell? The top and bottom lines flashing
or flashing the entire window, or do people like the warning icon?
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>>>>> Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> writes:

> What would be the ideal visible bell? The top and bottom lines flashing or
> flashing the entire window, or do people like the warning icon?

Personally I'd prefer top and bottom lines. Every better: give me a defcustom
to decide between icon, top/bottom, whole screen, or some alerting function
(which in future would allow for connecting with alert.el).

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> > What would be the ideal visible bell? The top and bottom lines flashing=
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> > flashing the entire window, or do people like the warning icon?
>=20
> Personally I'd prefer top and bottom lines. Every better: give me a
> defcustom to decide between icon, top/bottom, whole screen, or some
> alerting function (which in future would allow for connecting with alert.=
el).

+1.  And not just for OS X.

It could also incorporate what echo-bell.el does, or similar,
as one of the option values.

http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/echo-bell.el

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On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:17:15PM -0700, Drew Adams wrote:
> > > What would be the ideal visible bell? The top and bottom lines flashing or
> > > flashing the entire window, or do people like the warning icon?
> > 
> > Personally I'd prefer top and bottom lines. Every better: give me a
> > defcustom to decide between icon, top/bottom, whole screen, or some
> > alerting function (which in future would allow for connecting with alert.el).
> 
> +1.  And not just for OS X.
> 
> It could also incorporate what echo-bell.el does, or similar,
> as one of the option values.

Am I right in thinking that this would just require exposing the bell
functions to Emacs lisp, and then providing a simple way to set
ring-bell-function? Or have I misunderstood?
-- 
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> > > > What would be the ideal visible bell? The top and bottom lines
> flashing or
> > > > flashing the entire window, or do people like the warning icon?
> > >
> > > Personally I'd prefer top and bottom lines. Every better: give me a
> > > defcustom to decide between icon, top/bottom, whole screen, or some
> > > alerting function (which in future would allow for connecting with
> alert.el).
> >
> > +1.  And not just for OS X.
> >
> > It could also incorporate what echo-bell.el does, or similar,
> > as one of the option values.
>=20
> Am I right in thinking that this would just require exposing the bell
> functions to Emacs lisp, and then providing a simple way to set
> ring-bell-function? Or have I misunderstood?

Are you asking me?  I only suggested perhaps incorporating something
like what echo-bell does, as one of the possible visual-bell behaviors
for the defcustom.

There already is an easy way to set `ring-bell-function', so I'm really
not sure what you are asking.

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On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 08:45:43AM -0700, Drew Adams wrote:
> > > > > What would be the ideal visible bell? The top and bottom lines
> > flashing or
> > > > > flashing the entire window, or do people like the warning icon?
> > > >
> > > > Personally I'd prefer top and bottom lines. Every better: give me a
> > > > defcustom to decide between icon, top/bottom, whole screen, or some
> > > > alerting function (which in future would allow for connecting with
> > alert.el).
> > >
> > > +1.  And not just for OS X.
> > >
> > > It could also incorporate what echo-bell.el does, or similar,
> > > as one of the option values.
> > 
> > Am I right in thinking that this would just require exposing the bell
> > functions to Emacs lisp, and then providing a simple way to set
> > ring-bell-function? Or have I misunderstood?
> 
> Are you asking me?

Sorry, I probably should have responded directly to John.

> There already is an easy way to set `ring-bell-function', so I'm really
> not sure what you are asking.

This is why I'm not sure why John's asking for a way to tie in an
alerting function. It's already there.
-- 
Alan Third

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>>>>> Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> writes:

>> There already is an easy way to set `ring-bell-function', so I'm really not
>> sure what you are asking.

> This is why I'm not sure why John's asking for a way to tie in an alerting
> function. It's already there.

Sorry, I just didn't know about it. :)

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John Wiegley <jwiegley@HIDDEN> writes:

> Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>>> There already is an easy way to set `ring-bell-function', so I'm really not
>>> sure what you are asking.
>
> Sorry, I just didn't know about it. :)

So, do we keep the current behavior and rely on third-party packages
like echo-bell.el to customize the behavior?

Or, if we should chose to customize built-in the behavior, maybe a few more
settings should be considered:
 - Duration: Compared to echo-bell-mode, the default warning sign is
 shown way too long. A configurable duration would be nice.
 - Image: Maybe people also would like to specify the image shown as
 visible bell (e.g. Pikachu: https://twitter.com/ErgoEmacs/status/759546738306748416/photo/1 )

TBH, I suggest to keep the current behavior and let user to set
`ring-bell-function' if they like something different.

Regards,
Toon

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