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Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:39:31 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#21703: adding package archives after calling package-initialize lists all their packages as "new" References: <CAKYNWwTQvyMTHpEV7s6OBHJn6g86Xuh-2PE71ZeYNLFC1dq3Yg@HIDDEN> <CAM-tV-8r77n0equ6Keokco62u6s+5ser1m-=iRu1_4Yj3m3h1g@HIDDEN> <87shspdja1.fsf@HIDDEN> <877fa0zoi8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k2e0gkvd.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwv4lcy5hqz.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <jwvk1iw71uh.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87o89xd18f.fsf_-_@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:39:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87o89xd18f.fsf_-_@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 16 Aug 2021 14:26:40 +0200") Message-ID: <87wnok5jpa.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8sqh3ZZtc28sQEzief88LUeLfIDLn6uxhbKJh17sC4sSzuZqXrv rLt8dsUYIkVbD5LcVtuhxly4ikrxjYIPXpgPeDYd3m/f9NuIPDl71WWP42Zn8uBgCxIrOgq oOvxSzTMmZuOTy0n4O7UdgA8QtgFJSJzbDjNhrtD4fpYuVHDZbih78JfLLbNVYbSPB6p8uK 4PwXpHfkUfQt3bAjiI0ug== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ImxHZly2rM8=:t4oYlbGJX59Gchnm7cc9Bs /znA/wVQ7Yitzr7HerVko7amUN4P+DCeDOV1+iIpJTlePRxYzrAeM5+yCu4x9iJGdpzemq0a8 Lr8Cay65guMBCT4cD0J8bf3ysr0rE/RRopWtMB1FIt5cQXelSEPh1m8GfZWJGxOyu87Ri6JlH K9u5W1BMQ7hRGCo62rxa+i0hhj/FYVwUnnoFPF+7bcCVxtlQEE6iknguH4ZLrso69mw63UVp2 eiNm4mFZVLEwxC9wW42yfIEa8VwIH3LlPLB/xNgfQs4fSe4ZtPFccvTc3vIr59pTgf5YxOWyc 4wS/a/1WLDlJke7CucfqLYWYZW6+HCSpcMaXm3V+tTf2Wf0olEb1ZxJG61UyNmCq78ZsfO33c 50eyxjk5lSCdl8RrEX5YwcS3NO+7SwK4aEJDjb0qtsc76i3KyIM9q19CYW4CROB0g0u8C1Fgy ulOOd0YlyNULqdZZqf0T7qmvFDqCg95j1Z2lGz6h6wVN0kUMlAUrsQw1mCRJbearyoUp+usoQ ncbCXLoFLc6pU+6bl0PQzqNbNb8o4f2d61U98YbXyL4a1TH7lyMwsX8UNtVCWMNVyo/pZcIzx 0HLPtw7KGb+Qdf45aVJEIvt7pqnpmFG+WTjJNm5VxFpoo0Jf7PKQmYu2+W140rtze4dkFRSP0 6eZfyCZnvSbMIvsv3xv8mSsTgJSrkh+pniG7oeTAJ0ErYQg4u8ws5k44xpyHWBNdORppKxDb9 UdpkCO5LCw1qHVAvcygecWI+Yonb7QSajTuq6O4GmnR0z2w4j/l5+Gja0DmBBaUe5uIhzEABp m8YkdaOnWFonOIXkLJf6plQeBrCbiVZZqf8nJjrWzDpsBIMNPlnkEhDMmda2KfPz+6pBZnYyM XpoMkyV8IVSyZZuL187pfuD2qORMlII/El2o8mMlubbg38W2FiD4CitNlkslufSuk00KPd7VP Oh+lnuX/sJuEgWR40eBkmW6l7DL0kxcg2MSizSkSu2o7/kklf5wNYYaOUdhl5eaY/0ZwOsB16 6r4dhqoJZ8s1MBa+BA2Mb2m/3q5g8N1Kh2KKrrDcNuo/kmGXZfwQqSuUpdQ8g3oYh8Hggt6bh 2eJZJvY7EEi8Ao7JZTUtj3J7RrCQDSLd2gP5MSwpS7wQAGdgjRL6AG4kw== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24467 Cc: 24467 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@HIDDEN, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, 21703 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, SK Kim <tttuuu888@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> It's clearly a bug, and it's made worse in Emacs-27 where > >> package-initialize is called automatically before reading ~/.emacs. > >> IOW, I think "this" needs to be fixed before Emacs-27.1. > > > > I just installed a patch which should reduce the impact of this problem > > in Emacs-27.1: the problem still occurs if you setq package-archives > > after calling package-initialize, but at least you can now setq > > package-archives in your ~/.emacs rather than having to do it in your > > early-init.el. > > Is there more to be done here, or is this a sufficient solution to the > issue? If nothing more was changed, then the originally reported problem is not fixed. That behavior might still annoy or confuse people then. Michael.
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> It's clearly a bug, and it's made worse in Emacs-27 where
> package-initialize is called automatically before reading ~/.emacs.
> IOW, I think "this" needs to be fixed before Emacs-27.1.
I just installed a patch which should reduce the impact of this problem
in Emacs-27.1: the problem still occurs if you setq package-archives
after calling package-initialize, but at least you can now setq
package-archives in your ~/.emacs rather than having to do it in your
early-init.el.
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>> Ah, so the packages are "new" in the sense that they come from
>> archives added after package-initialize was called.
>
> I'm not sure whether this is by design and if we would break something
> if we changed it. I think the fix would be quite trivial: simply
> speaking, we would change `package-read-all-archive-contents' to iterate
> over "$package-user-dir/archives/*" instead of `package-archives'.
It's clearly a bug, and it's made worse in Emacs-27 where
package-initialize is called automatically before reading ~/.emacs.
IOW, I think "this" needs to be fixed before Emacs-27.1.
The fix you propose might work (tho with unintended side effects), but
I don't see any reason why we need to package-read-all-archive-contents
so early on anyway. More specifically, package-activate-all should be
changed so it doesn't end up running package-read-all-archive-contents:
it's already the case when a package-quickstart-file is found, but if
there's no such file we call package-initialize which ends up calling
package-read-all-archive-contents even though we're only interested in
the package-load-all-descriptors part, really.
Stefan
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tags 24467 confirmed
severity 24467 minor
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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:
> Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> I put the above as my init.el in a temporary HOME dir, when I run
>> package-list-packages melpa packages are all "available" for me.
>
> Maybe it is different on the first run?
Yes, if I close and reopen Emacs, then I see the "new" packages too.
>
> Hmm, anyway, I found out that with
>
> (package-initialize)
> (setq package-archives
> '(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
> ("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")))
>
> in my init file I see the issue. But with
>
> (setq package-archives
> '(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
> ("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")))
> (package-initialize)
>
> it seems to be fixed (i.e. the same expressions just transposed). With
> other words, `package-archives' seemingly needs to be set before calling
> `package-intialize' (@SK Kim, do you see the same?).
Ah, so the packages are "new" in the sense that they come from archives
added after package-initialize was called.
>
> With the first version, after Emacs startup, `package-archive-contents'
> only includes the "gnu" packages. With the second version, it seems to
> include "everything" (the list is too long to be printed in reasonable
> time). That variable is used to decide what packages are new. That's
> were the problem seems to come from.
>
> I think the behavior is at least "surprising", a pitfall.
Would be nice to avoid it, indeed.
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Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> writes:
> merge 24467 21703
> quit
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 1:29 AM, SK Kim <tttuuu888@HIDDEN> wrote:
> > After i set gnu and mepla for pacakage-archives in my init.el as
> > below,
> >
> > (package-initialize)
> > (setq package-archives
> > '(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
> > ("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")))
> >
> > whenever i start package-list-packages, status of mepla packages is
> > always new.
>
> Seems to be the same as #21703 "25.0.50; package.el: Thousands of new
> packages each day", but I'm not able to reproduce.
>
> I put the above as my init.el in a temporary HOME dir, when I run
> package-list-packages melpa packages are all "available" for me.
Maybe it is different on the first run?
Hmm, anyway, I found out that with
(package-initialize)
(setq package-archives
'(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")))
in my init file I see the issue. But with
(setq package-archives
'(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")))
(package-initialize)
it seems to be fixed (i.e. the same expressions just transposed). With
other words, `package-archives' seemingly needs to be set before calling
`package-intialize' (@SK Kim, do you see the same?).
With the first version, after Emacs startup, `package-archive-contents'
only includes the "gnu" packages. With the second version, it seems to
include "everything" (the list is too long to be printed in reasonable
time). That variable is used to decide what packages are new. That's
were the problem seems to come from.
I think the behavior is at least "surprising", a pitfall.
Regards,
Michael.
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merge 24467 21703
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 1:29 AM, SK Kim <tttuuu888@HIDDEN> wrote:
> After i set gnu and mepla for pacakage-archives in my init.el as
> below,
>
> (package-initialize)
> (setq package-archives
> '(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
> ("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")))
>
> whenever i start package-list-packages, status of mepla packages is
> always new.
Seems to be the same as #21703 "25.0.50; package.el: Thousands of new
packages each day", but I'm not able to reproduce.
I put the above as my init.el in a temporary HOME dir, when I run
package-list-packages melpa packages are all "available" for me.
0blayout 20160919.823 available melpa Layout
grouping with ease
2048-game 20151026.1233 available melpa play 2048 in Emacs
4clojure 20131014.1507 available melpa Open and
evaluate 4clojure.com questions
@ 20140707.520 available melpa
multiple-inheritance prototype-based objects DSL
...
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After i set gnu and mepla for pacakage-archives in my init.el as
below,
(package-initialize)
(setq package-archives
'(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")))
whenever i start package-list-packages, status of mepla packages is
always new.
thanks.
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<p dir=3D"ltr">After i set gnu and mepla for pacakage-archives in my init.e=
l as<br>
below,</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">(package-initialize)<br>
(setq package-archives<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 '(("gnu" . "<a href=3D"http://elpa.gn=
u.org/packages/">http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/</a>")<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ("melpa" . "<a href=3D"http://melpa=
.milkbox.net/packages/">http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/</a>")))<br>=
</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">whenever i start package-list-packages, status of mepla pack=
ages is<br>
always new.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">thanks.<br>
</p>
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