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Needing to hardlink some files from tree1 to tree2, I
had them in a script and @first used:
"cp -lv":
> cp -lv src/a dst/a
'src/a' -> 'dst/a'
Later, I thought to use 'ln -v' for a different tree:
> ln -v src/a dst/a
'dst/a' => 'src/a'
Wait a sec.. I'm not linking from dst/a
to src/b, but the other way around.
Hmm, it's using => instead of ->
=> is what is used for *symlinks*.. and there, one
would create a link @ dst/a to point to (=>) src/a.
But this wasn't a symlink.
In the case of hard links, I think the
output in 'ln -v' should be the same as one gets from
cp -lv. Having the src & dst switched is confusing
for what acts like a copy operation and isn't creating
a link from the dest to the src, since afterward, if
the src disappears, the hard-linked file is still valid
(unlike the case w/symlinks).
Should be semi-trivial given the common code, right? ;-)
Thanks
-linda
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On 04/06/17 14:12, L A Walsh wrote:
>
> Needing to hardlink some files from tree1 to tree2, I
> had them in a script and @first used:
> "cp -lv":
>
>> cp -lv src/a dst/a
> 'src/a' -> 'dst/a'
>
> Later, I thought to use 'ln -v' for a different tree:
>
>> ln -v src/a dst/a
> 'dst/a' => 'src/a'
>
>
> Wait a sec.. I'm not linking from dst/a
> to src/b, but the other way around.
Well you're not linking in any direction for the hard link case.
You're creating 'dst/a'. Now you may argue that it should match
cp, though it probably makes more sense to match with the `ln -s` case.
For completeness we have:
$ touch a
$ ln -v a b
'b' => 'a'
$ ln -sv a c
'c' -> 'a'
$ cp -lv a d
'a' -> 'd'
$ cp -sv a e
'a' -> 'e'
$ cp -v a f
'a' -> 'f'
I read the above for ln as "dest linked to source"
and for cp as "source copied to dest".
> Hmm, it's using => instead of ->
> => is what is used for *symlinks*.. and there, one
> would create a link @ dst/a to point to (=>) src/a.
Well => is for hardlinks, and both -> and => were used
to distinguish the operations (in v5.92-191-g24ce72f)
Given the above interpretation I'm not sure there is
anything to change here.
thanks,
Pádraig
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P=C3=A1draig Brady wrote:
> Well =3D> is for hardlinks, and both -> and =3D> were used
> to distinguish the operations (in v5.92-191-g24ce72f)
As I understand it, part of the motivation is consistency with 'ls':
$ ln -sv a b
'b' -> 'a'
$ ls -l b
lrwxrwxrwx 1 eggert eggert 1 Jun 4 21:59 b -> a
With that in mind, if we were to change the format of 'ln' so that the or=
der was=20
the same as the command line, presumably it would look like this:
$ ln -sv a b
'a' <- 'b'
$ ln -v c d
'c' <=3D 'd'
An advantage of this format (over what we're using) is that it's easier t=
o=20
distinguish 'cp -v' from 'ln -v' output in a log. I'm not sure that's eno=
ugh=20
advantage to change, though. Besides, 'cp -v' vs 'mv -v' output is alread=
y=20
ambiguous.
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Was composing a response to this and started getting
a headache. Erg.
in short, 'ls' is the way it is because the listing
puts the files in the 1st column (& in symlink case,
puts target on right).
'ls' creating terminology for cp/mv/ln, is really a case
of the tail wagging the dog.
how to sync 'mv' with any solution ... headache...
have to think about this (in short thinks!)...
--l
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On 04/06/17 22:07, Paul Eggert wrote:
> Pádraig Brady wrote:
>> Well => is for hardlinks, and both -> and => were used
>> to distinguish the operations (in v5.92-191-g24ce72f)
>
> As I understand it, part of the motivation is consistency with 'ls':
>
> $ ln -sv a b
> 'b' -> 'a'
> $ ls -l b
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 eggert eggert 1 Jun 4 21:59 b -> a
>
> With that in mind, if we were to change the format of 'ln' so that the order was
> the same as the command line, presumably it would look like this:
>
> $ ln -sv a b
> 'a' <- 'b'
> $ ln -v c d
> 'c' <= 'd'
>
> An advantage of this format (over what we're using) is that it's easier to
> distinguish 'cp -v' from 'ln -v' output in a log. I'm not sure that's enough
> advantage to change, though. Besides, 'cp -v' vs 'mv -v' output is already
> ambiguous.
I do like that change for ln.
Whether the improvement might break compatibility is a concern,
though I think that's unlikely.
cheers,
Pádraig
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