GNU bug report logs - #29634
'max-silent-time' etc. should be per-derivation settings

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ludo@HIDDEN (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes:

> Mark H Weaver <mhw@HIDDEN> skribis:
>
>> ludo@HIDDEN (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes:
>>
>>> Mark H Weaver <mhw@HIDDEN> skribis:
>>>
>>>> An early 'guile' build on armhf-linux consistently fails on Hydra,
>>>> because the 'timeout' and 'max-silent-time' properties are not honored.
>>>> For example:
>>>>
>>>>   https://hydra.gnu.org/build/2391845
>>>>
>>>> This is a longstanding issue.  In past core-updates cycles, I have
>>>> worked around the problem by rebuilding these early 'guile' derivations
>>>> from Hydra's command line, passing --timeout and --max-silent-time
>>>> manually, and then restarting the many dependency failures.
>>>>
>>>> It would be good to fix this issue properly.
>>>>
>>>> My guess is that the build parameters are not honored because there is
>>>> no Hydra 'job' associated with this early 'guile'.
>>>
>>> Exactly.  Or maybe there=E2=80=99s one but this early =E2=80=98guile=E2=
=80=99 is built as a
>>> dependency of another job.
>>
>> How do you think we should fix this?
>
> Of course I=E2=80=99d prefer if Guile compile times were shorter.
>
> Besides, we should probably handle timeouts per-derivation rather than
> globally (currently timeout are per-session, see =E2=80=98set-build-optio=
ns=E2=80=99).
> We could do that by adding a new special value in the environment
> variable map of derivation (as is the case for, e.g.,
> =E2=80=9CexportReferencesGraph=E2=80=9D) that the daemon would honor.  It=
=E2=80=99s a
> rebuild-the-world change though.

Sounds good to me.  For now, I'll rebuild the early guile for armhf
manually.

     Thanks,
       Mark

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Mark H Weaver <mhw@HIDDEN> skribis:

> ludo@HIDDEN (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes:
>
>> Mark H Weaver <mhw@HIDDEN> skribis:
>>
>>> An early 'guile' build on armhf-linux consistently fails on Hydra,
>>> because the 'timeout' and 'max-silent-time' properties are not honored.
>>> For example:
>>>
>>>   https://hydra.gnu.org/build/2391845
>>>
>>> This is a longstanding issue.  In past core-updates cycles, I have
>>> worked around the problem by rebuilding these early 'guile' derivations
>>> from Hydra's command line, passing --timeout and --max-silent-time
>>> manually, and then restarting the many dependency failures.
>>>
>>> It would be good to fix this issue properly.
>>>
>>> My guess is that the build parameters are not honored because there is
>>> no Hydra 'job' associated with this early 'guile'.
>>
>> Exactly.  Or maybe there=E2=80=99s one but this early =E2=80=98guile=E2=
=80=99 is built as a
>> dependency of another job.
>
> How do you think we should fix this?

Of course I=E2=80=99d prefer if Guile compile times were shorter.

Besides, we should probably handle timeouts per-derivation rather than
globally (currently timeout are per-session, see =E2=80=98set-build-options=
=E2=80=99).
We could do that by adding a new special value in the environment
variable map of derivation (as is the case for, e.g.,
=E2=80=9CexportReferencesGraph=E2=80=9D) that the daemon would honor.  It=
=E2=80=99s a
rebuild-the-world change though.

Ludo=E2=80=99.

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ludo@HIDDEN (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes:

> Mark H Weaver <mhw@HIDDEN> skribis:
>
>> An early 'guile' build on armhf-linux consistently fails on Hydra,
>> because the 'timeout' and 'max-silent-time' properties are not honored.
>> For example:
>>
>>   https://hydra.gnu.org/build/2391845
>>
>> This is a longstanding issue.  In past core-updates cycles, I have
>> worked around the problem by rebuilding these early 'guile' derivations
>> from Hydra's command line, passing --timeout and --max-silent-time
>> manually, and then restarting the many dependency failures.
>>
>> It would be good to fix this issue properly.
>>
>> My guess is that the build parameters are not honored because there is
>> no Hydra 'job' associated with this early 'guile'.
>
> Exactly.  Or maybe there=E2=80=99s one but this early =E2=80=98guile=E2=
=80=99 is built as a
> dependency of another job.

How do you think we should fix this?

      Mark

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Mark H Weaver <mhw@HIDDEN> skribis:

> An early 'guile' build on armhf-linux consistently fails on Hydra,
> because the 'timeout' and 'max-silent-time' properties are not honored.
> For example:
>
>   https://hydra.gnu.org/build/2391845
>
> This is a longstanding issue.  In past core-updates cycles, I have
> worked around the problem by rebuilding these early 'guile' derivations
> from Hydra's command line, passing --timeout and --max-silent-time
> manually, and then restarting the many dependency failures.
>
> It would be good to fix this issue properly.
>
> My guess is that the build parameters are not honored because there is
> no Hydra 'job' associated with this early 'guile'.

Exactly.  Or maybe there=E2=80=99s one but this early =E2=80=98guile=E2=80=
=99 is built as a
dependency of another job.

Ludo=E2=80=99.

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An early 'guile' build on armhf-linux consistently fails on Hydra,
because the 'timeout' and 'max-silent-time' properties are not honored.
For example:

  https://hydra.gnu.org/build/2391845

This is a longstanding issue.  In past core-updates cycles, I have
worked around the problem by rebuilding these early 'guile' derivations
from Hydra's command line, passing --timeout and --max-silent-time
manually, and then restarting the many dependency failures.

It would be good to fix this issue properly.

My guess is that the build parameters are not honored because there is
no Hydra 'job' associated with this early 'guile'.

       Mark