Received: (at 36430) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2019 15:37:02 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 11 11:37:02 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38427 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1hlb82-0004ER-3L for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:37:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42815) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1hlb80-0004EA-Hb for 36430 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:37:00 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38447) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1hlb7u-0005Fv-OI; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:36:54 -0400 Received: from [2001:660:6102:320:e120:2c8f:8909:cdfe] (port=43202 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1hlb7u-00021w-8R; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:36:54 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo@HIDDEN> To: Robert Vollmert <rob@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#36430: mcron would benefit from a better way to test jobs References: <B0BF7C44-23B2-42D7-8ACD-86E55DBDCE7D@HIDDEN> <87h87xapnp.fsf@HIDDEN> <325C9E85-468F-4EE3-93CC-C9F88D10E9CE@HIDDEN> <87wogsg8bo.fsf@HIDDEN> <2CB5CE05-5900-4E02-B56B-8D9F0700C32C@HIDDEN> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 23 Messidor an 227 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 17:36:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <2CB5CE05-5900-4E02-B56B-8D9F0700C32C@HIDDEN> (Robert Vollmert's message of "Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:58:25 +0200") Message-ID: <87wogotwfe.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36430 Cc: 36430 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Robert Vollmert <rob@HIDDEN> skribis: > One related issue that I just ran into, while trying out the gexp approac= h: > > mcron jobs take an optional third naming argument, which are again better > not used because they replace the store filename in the =E2=80=9Cschedule= =E2=80=9D > output. I see; that feature was not designed at all with Guix in mind, and presumably on FHS systems the name is enough if you can mentally map it to something in /usr. Ludo=E2=80=99.
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Full text available.Received: (at 36430) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2019 09:54:48 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 08 05:54:48 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57767 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1hkQMB-0004eC-Nh for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 05:54:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41300) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1hkQM9-0004dy-QG for 36430 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 05:54:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54116) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1hkQM3-0000ZK-O6; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 05:54:39 -0400 Received: from [2001:660:6102:320:e120:2c8f:8909:cdfe] (port=39468 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1hkQM1-0002f3-MB; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 05:54:39 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo@HIDDEN> To: Robert Vollmert <rob@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#36430: mcron would benefit from a better way to test jobs References: <B0BF7C44-23B2-42D7-8ACD-86E55DBDCE7D@HIDDEN> <87h87xapnp.fsf@HIDDEN> <325C9E85-468F-4EE3-93CC-C9F88D10E9CE@HIDDEN> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 20 Messidor an 227 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 11:54:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <325C9E85-468F-4EE3-93CC-C9F88D10E9CE@HIDDEN> (Robert Vollmert's message of "Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:18:32 +0200") Message-ID: <87wogsg8bo.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36430 Cc: 36430 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi, Robert Vollmert <rob@HIDDEN> skribis: >> On 7. Jul 2019, at 16:24, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Robert, >>=20 >> Robert Vollmert <rob@HIDDEN> skribis: >>=20 >>> Defined a mcron job in config.scm scheduled to run once a day, >>> with a scheme expression. How do I test this? >>>=20 >>> herd schedule mcron lists the job as merely a =E2=80=9CLambda expressio= n=E2=80=9D. >>> I learned how to give it a descriptive name, but still there=E2=80=99s >>> no script linked that I can run by hand. >>=20 >> Commit 89fdd9ee0cc8817283449b33a8c1a2604c575c7e changes the rottlog job >> in a simple way so we see an actual command rather than =E2=80=9CLambda >> expression=E2=80=9D. I would recommend using this style to improve >> transparency. > > I understand that passing an executable works better. But that also > loses the feature of allowing to write a script in place advertised by > the lambda variant. In Guix, if you write: #~(job =E2=80=A6 #$(program-file "do-something" #~(begin =E2=80=A6))) instead of: #~(job =E2=80=A6 (lambda () =E2=80=A6)) you=E2=80=99re still writing Scheme code, and the result is pretty much the same. Now, from a pure mcron viewpoint (if you were to use it outside Guix), I agree that procedures are handled in a suboptimal way. Mcron should simply display the procedure object, which includes its source location info. Aternately it could display its source location info as obtained with =E2=80=98program-source=E2=80=99 if that helps readability: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- scheme@(guile-user)> ,use(system vm program) scheme@(guile-user)> (program-source derivation (program-code derivation)) $6 =3D (2780 "guix/derivations.scm" 877 . 17) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > I find that kind of =E2=80=9Cfeature that doesn=E2=80=99t actually work= =E2=80=9D to be quite > painful. > > A way to get the best of both worlds (within guix) would be to use > program-file / gexp, so maybe that=E2=80=99s what should be advertised in= the > guix manual? Yes, definitely. > At this stage, there=E2=80=99s just too many small hacking sessions requi= red > all over the place :). I=E2=80=99ll stick with filing bug reports for the > clear pain points if that=E2=80=99s ok? Sure, definitely! It=E2=80=99s good to have all these pain points filed, a= nd I think many can be addressed quite easily, so that=E2=80=99ll help us improve things gradually. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.
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Full text available.Received: (at 36430) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2019 07:18:49 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 08 03:18:49 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57682 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1hkNvF-00007i-1g for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 03:18:49 -0400 Received: from mx1.mailbox.org ([80.241.60.212]:37956) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rob@HIDDEN>) id 1hkNvC-00007V-Ju for 36430 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 03:18:47 -0400 Received: from smtp2.mailbox.org (smtp2.mailbox.org [IPv6:2001:67c:2050:105:465:1:2:0]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42E72503F8; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:18:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at heinlein-support.de Received: from smtp2.mailbox.org ([80.241.60.241]) by gerste.heinlein-support.de (gerste.heinlein-support.de [91.198.250.173]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id 2r-VjJvpyYNg; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:18:35 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: bug#36430: mcron would benefit from a better way to test jobs From: Robert Vollmert <rob@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87h87xapnp.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:18:32 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <325C9E85-468F-4EE3-93CC-C9F88D10E9CE@HIDDEN> References: <B0BF7C44-23B2-42D7-8ACD-86E55DBDCE7D@HIDDEN> <87h87xapnp.fsf@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36430 Cc: 36430 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > On 7. Jul 2019, at 16:24, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> wrote: >=20 > Hi Robert, >=20 > Robert Vollmert <rob@HIDDEN> skribis: >=20 >> Defined a mcron job in config.scm scheduled to run once a day, >> with a scheme expression. How do I test this? >>=20 >> herd schedule mcron lists the job as merely a =E2=80=9CLambda = expression=E2=80=9D. >> I learned how to give it a descriptive name, but still there=E2=80=99s >> no script linked that I can run by hand. >=20 > Commit 89fdd9ee0cc8817283449b33a8c1a2604c575c7e changes the rottlog = job > in a simple way so we see an actual command rather than =E2=80=9CLambda > expression=E2=80=9D. I would recommend using this style to improve > transparency. I understand that passing an executable works better. But that also loses the feature of allowing to write a script in place advertised by the lambda variant. I find that kind of =E2=80=9Cfeature that doesn=E2=80=99t actually = work=E2=80=9D to be quite painful. A way to get the best of both worlds (within guix) would be to use program-file / gexp, so maybe that=E2=80=99s what should be advertised = in the guix manual? >> One major improvement would be to have: >>=20 >> 1. `herd schedule mcron` lists jobs with some kind of id >> 2. `herd execute mcron <id>` runs the specific mcron job >>=20 >> Or perhaps, any mcron job could be turned into a simple argument-less >> guile or shell script that=E2=80=99s shown in the schedule listing? >=20 > The commit I=E2=80=99m referring to above does exactly that. >=20 > Perhaps as a first step we could recommend this style more prominently > in the manual? I=E2=80=99ll see if I can get the gexp variant to work, and would = provide a manual patch if successful. > Further improvements should probably go into mcron itself. It=E2=80=99s= a > rather small and simple code base, so if you were looking for a > rewarding hacking session for the week-end, it=E2=80=99s probably a = good > candidate. ;-) At this stage, there=E2=80=99s just too many small hacking sessions = required all over the place :). I=E2=80=99ll stick with filing bug reports for = the clear pain points if that=E2=80=99s ok? Robert
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Full text available.Received: (at 36430) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2019 14:26:56 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 07 10:26:56 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57265 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1hk880-0008FJ-3H for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jul 2019 10:26:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36173) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1hk87x-0008F4-IP for 36430 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jul 2019 10:26:54 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41737) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1hk87q-0006zc-Ja; Sun, 07 Jul 2019 10:26:48 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=56396 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1hk87p-0002IK-EL; Sun, 07 Jul 2019 10:26:46 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo@HIDDEN> To: Jesse Gibbons <jgibbons2357@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#36430: mcron would benefit from a better way to test jobs References: <B0BF7C44-23B2-42D7-8ACD-86E55DBDCE7D@HIDDEN> <20190629144536.590b1b7f@HIDDEN> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 19 Messidor an 227 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:26:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20190629144536.590b1b7f@HIDDEN> (Jesse Gibbons's message of "Sat, 29 Jun 2019 14:45:54 -0600") Message-ID: <877e8tapjv.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36430 Cc: 36430 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rob@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi Jesse, Jesse Gibbons <jgibbons2357@HIDDEN> skribis: > mcron is super buggy in my experience. If I power my laptop off > overnight it will skip all jobs scheduled for the day of the month, > even if they are scheduled for after I power it back on. And it doesn't > have a way to easily schedule for a given day of the week. Buggy in what sense? It=E2=80=99s definitely lacking useful features, as R= obert reported, but apart from that it seems to work well for me. I=E2=80=99d encourage you to report any issues you have to bug-mcron@HIDDEN= g. Overall, I agree that we should work to make it more pleasant to work with! Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.
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Full text available.Received: (at 36430) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2019 14:24:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 07 10:24:37 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57256 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1hk85l-0008BG-0p for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jul 2019 10:24:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35818) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1hk85j-0008B4-MD for 36430 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jul 2019 10:24:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41720) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1hk85c-0005fl-LK; Sun, 07 Jul 2019 10:24:28 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=56394 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1hk85c-0001Y6-5m; Sun, 07 Jul 2019 10:24:28 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo@HIDDEN> To: Robert Vollmert <rob@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#36430: mcron would benefit from a better way to test jobs References: <B0BF7C44-23B2-42D7-8ACD-86E55DBDCE7D@HIDDEN> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 19 Messidor an 227 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:24:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <B0BF7C44-23B2-42D7-8ACD-86E55DBDCE7D@HIDDEN> (Robert Vollmert's message of "Sat, 29 Jun 2019 08:37:29 +0200") Message-ID: <87h87xapnp.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36430 Cc: 36430 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi Robert, Robert Vollmert <rob@HIDDEN> skribis: > Defined a mcron job in config.scm scheduled to run once a day, > with a scheme expression. How do I test this? > > herd schedule mcron lists the job as merely a =E2=80=9CLambda expression= =E2=80=9D. > I learned how to give it a descriptive name, but still there=E2=80=99s > no script linked that I can run by hand. Commit 89fdd9ee0cc8817283449b33a8c1a2604c575c7e changes the rottlog job in a simple way so we see an actual command rather than =E2=80=9CLambda expression=E2=80=9D. I would recommend using this style to improve transparency. > One major improvement would be to have: > > 1. `herd schedule mcron` lists jobs with some kind of id > 2. `herd execute mcron <id>` runs the specific mcron job > > Or perhaps, any mcron job could be turned into a simple argument-less > guile or shell script that=E2=80=99s shown in the schedule listing? The commit I=E2=80=99m referring to above does exactly that. Perhaps as a first step we could recommend this style more prominently in the manual? Further improvements should probably go into mcron itself. It=E2=80=99s a rather small and simple code base, so if you were looking for a rewarding hacking session for the week-end, it=E2=80=99s probably a good candidate. ;-) Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.
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How do I test this? Write the mcron job for a local installation of mcron first for testing purposes, then move it into config.scm. That's how I do it. > herd schedule mcron lists the job as merely a =E2=80=9CLambda expression= =E2=80=9D. > I learned how to give it a descriptive name, but still there=E2=80=99s > no script linked that I can run by hand. > > One major improvement would be to have: > > 1. `herd schedule mcron` lists jobs with some kind of id > 2. `herd execute mcron <id>` runs the specific mcron job > > Or perhaps, any mcron job could be turned into a simple argument-less > guile or shell script that=E2=80=99s shown in the schedule listing? > > Thoughts? mcron --schedule=3Dcount gives you a listing of each scheduled job and when it will next be run. I would expect "herd schedule mcron" runs that command. I don't know about scheduling a function, but if the scheduled job is a string it can be copied/pasted into a terminal. mcron is super buggy in my experience. If I power my laptop off overnight it will skip all jobs scheduled for the day of the month, even if they are scheduled for after I power it back on. And it doesn't have a way to easily schedule for a given day of the week.
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