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From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#42612: 28.0.50; Eshell: support setting working buffer like
IELM
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Hello Eli,
On Thu 30 Jul 2020 at 08:06PM +03, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Eshell is a shell. What is the semantics of running a shell in a
> buffer? The only semantics I can think of is to run the shell in the
> default-directory of that buffer.
(info "(eshell) Top") says
[Eshell] is intended to be an alternative to the IELM REPL for Emacs
and with an interface similar to command shells ...
The functionality of setting a working buffer would be for when Eshell
is being used as an alternative to IELM, and it would have the same
semantics as the equivalent functionality in IELM.
I agree that when Eshell is being used as a command shell the only
significant thing would be default-directory.
--
Sean Whitton
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It would be great to have something like >> this. > > Like "C-u M-x eshell RET"? > > If that's not what you wanted, then perhaps I don't quite understand > what you meant by running Eshell in another buffer. No, not what I had in mind. In IELM you can type C-c C-b and select a buffer, and then when you eval further sexps in *ielm*, it will be as if you used M-: with that other buffer selected. Useful for debugging a major or minor mode. In Eshell the closest thing you can do is wrap your sexps in a (with-current-buffer) form, or use (progn (set-buffer ...) ...), which is less convenient. -- Sean Whitton
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Eshell: support setting working buffer like IELM Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:29:52 -0700 Message-ID: <87o8nx1sfj.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.147.123.19; envelope-from=spwhitton@HIDDEN; helo=wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/07/30 01:29:54 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Hello, Eshell's docs advertise it as a replacement for IELM, but one IELM feature that Eshell doesn't have is an equivalent to C-c C-b, or, ielm-change-working-buffer. It would be great to have something like this. -- Sean Whitton
Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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