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envelope-from=drew.adams@HIDDEN; helo=aserp2120.oracle.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/18 12:13:41 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -63 X-Spam_score: -6.4 X-Spam_bar: ------ X-Spam_report: (-6.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Possible enhancement: If bug #38796 gets taken care of then users could have very long `view-lossage' logs (if they choose). Especially in such a context, it could be useful to provide a timestamp with each event. This could be via a `help-echo' property, for example. Or it could be made available as a separate column, or in some other way. I know it doesn't make a lot of sense with the current state of the output, but with much longer logs it could be helpful. A `help-echo' property provides a tooltip, but it won't help with searching. A UI that lets you search, or filter (e.g. `occur') on not only the event/key/command name but also the time/date, could be useful. Just a thought. `view-lossage' is essentially a log. It could be made more useful than it is now, I expect. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.18362 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3''
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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9717 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=987 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008190114 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9717 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=988 priorityscore=1501 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1011 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008190113 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Especially in such a context, it could be useful to provide a timestamp > > with each event. This could be via a `help-echo' property, for example= . > > Or it could be made available as a separate column, or in some other > > way. >=20 > This would mean querying (and storing) the time stamp of all keystrokes, > which seems excessive for such a marginal feature. Yes. It was just a thought. Perhaps an optional behavior (via mode or otherwise) would be in order - something you could turn on when interested in more complete logging. That could help with some kinds of debugging or learning, for instance. Certainly, if this were a performance drag it shouldn't be the default behavior.
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#42916: 26.3; `view-lossage': include timestamp Resent-From: "Peder O. Klingenberg" <peder@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.42916.B42916.159784265811366 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 42916 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Cc: 42916 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Received: via spool by 42916-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B42916.159784265811366 (code B ref 42916); Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:11:01 +0000 Received: (at 42916) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Aug 2020 13:10:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38547 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1k8Nrm-0002xG-Em for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:10:58 -0400 Received: from castor.klingenberg.no ([176.125.234.34]:35072) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <peder@HIDDEN>) id 1k8Nrk-0002x7-GW for 42916 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:10:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=klingenberg.no; s=20200407; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:From:Content-Type :MIME-Version:References:Subject:Cc:To:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=XK54SMuLC94bRp9lDAe3Yr45Hs94eBc5hqs/FE/oS70=; b=Z0oOsCc5mm3/S8NS/IHzbpLBs gK6dfiVMXe0syD5Zb0Fta+7Yes6/ZM/i7BlarGD4abSKRqXsYgsQlsXDvdiF5je49gl7TczHtb8mx +1iUrC2OJ8ZQ+1oRKTu8nbGgIzMYt4ZWGxvDCulqAWJ7hm2aHPeIkhPyELYHWjQ7bYu4ea31bFQ5d 8+xAQmAYIcf4K7ajNSQZS7V8nforB/bKNvMGvksgLMg1zBH1z74Xi804VIyNvAB5dx09OUR9V3Zhh AD963hKTZD4Qu/qv/z0vtC2QLhJUOqlveufJlWLqefSNa6g9mUwPbv10ytJUPeBtrAZc4951A4lx6 0YIqj9Bcw==; Received: from 227.51-175-177.customer.lyse.net ([51.175.177.227] helo=willie) by castor.klingenberg.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <peder@HIDDEN>) id 1k8Nri-0000G0-8d; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:10:54 +0200 References: <9b7f542a-81a1-47cb-a2d2-1bac5b4b55df@default> <878seb9d9e.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain ...Peder...From: "Peder O. Klingenberg" <peder@HIDDEN> From: "Peder O. Klingenberg" <peder@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:09:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <878seb9d9e.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:49:17 +0200") Message-ID: <87ft8ikcjk.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On on., 2020-08-19 kl. 11.49 +0200 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > This would mean querying (and storing) the time stamp of all keystrokes, > which seems excessive for such a marginal feature. An alternative could be to dump a dedicated timestamp event into the log every <mumble> minutes or so. It wouldn't give you exact timings, but could tell you whether you're looking at something you typed last month or five minuts ago, and wouldn't require more work on every keystroke. ...Peder...
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Klingenberg's message of "Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:09:19 +0200") Message-ID: <87a6ymgyoa.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: "Peder O. Klingenberg" <peder@HIDDEN> writes: > On on., 2020-08-19 kl. 11.49 +0200 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > >> This would mean querying (and storing) the time stamp of all keystrokes, >> which seems excessive for such a marginal feature. 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Klingenberg" <peder@HIDDEN> writes: > On on., 2020-08-19 kl. 11.49 +0200 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > >> This would mean querying (and storing) the time stamp of all keystrokes, >> which seems excessive for such a marginal feature. > > An alternative could be to dump a dedicated timestamp event into the log > every <mumble> minutes or so. It wouldn't give you exact timings, but > could tell you whether you're looking at something you typed last month > or five minuts ago, and wouldn't require more work on every keystroke. Hm, yes, that might be a good idea... On the other hand, the last time I poked at the lossage data, it wasn't a lot of fun: It's used by normal typing as well as the keyboard macro binding stuff, so it's a bit of a prickly data structure. If I remember correctly; it's been at least a couple of years since I poked at it. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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