Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>
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Full text available.Received: (at 42916) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2020 21:26:25 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 22 17:26:25 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51625 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1k9b1s-0000Zc-R7 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:26:25 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:39836) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1k9b1r-0000ZP-HP for 42916 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:26:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=LIvzOLjS+2Vac93GVvUqv9zKyeK21XKS2+bfPdSQC8E=; b=dAJjVvWhJiXpF9Hi9px047Nf8w oFN6suD2UsGgJdO/jRTqxFOaLbSadwX0B9Hr9SrxD9wJlzjaLURiGOC1xlzN/LbTyI5Fun1YGX5OK fK0T3B0Dkqx0XSF/JGsUcdvA7cIpsKRp5H8sa3BK0Mw+kejRj3fIx962d810e2juN//Q=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1k9b1i-00085J-O4; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 23:26:17 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: "Peder O. Klingenberg" <peder@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#42916: 26.3; `view-lossage': include timestamp References: <9b7f542a-81a1-47cb-a2d2-1bac5b4b55df@default> <878seb9d9e.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft8ikcjk.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Now-Playing: Tangerine Dream's _Zeit (1)_: "Origin of Supernatural Probabilities" Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 23:26:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87ft8ikcjk.fsf@HIDDEN> (Peder O. Klingenberg's message of "Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:09:19 +0200") Message-ID: <87a6ymgyoa.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: "Peder O. Klingenberg" <peder@HIDDEN> writes: > On on., 2020-08-19 kl. 11.49 +0200 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > >> This would mean querying (and storing) the time stamp of all keystrokes, >> which seems excessive for such a marginal feature. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42916 Cc: 42916 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) "Peder O. Klingenberg" <peder@HIDDEN> writes: > On on., 2020-08-19 kl. 11.49 +0200 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > >> This would mean querying (and storing) the time stamp of all keystrokes, >> which seems excessive for such a marginal feature. > > An alternative could be to dump a dedicated timestamp event into the log > every <mumble> minutes or so. It wouldn't give you exact timings, but > could tell you whether you're looking at something you typed last month > or five minuts ago, and wouldn't require more work on every keystroke. Hm, yes, that might be a good idea... On the other hand, the last time I poked at the lossage data, it wasn't a lot of fun: It's used by normal typing as well as the keyboard macro binding stuff, so it's a bit of a prickly data structure. If I remember correctly; it's been at least a couple of years since I poked at it. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 42916) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Aug 2020 13:00:04 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 19 09:00:04 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38532 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1k8NhD-0000UD-Id for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:00:04 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:53968) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1k8Nh8-0000Sh-Ub for 42916 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:00:01 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07JCqjZj173101; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:59:53 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=QxsZaKaIPYOuoFb4BQnU0CSUMp2sBcQDmU+g+U485/c=; b=P/68Ogoov5KtqVF/6IumxyxvtFtYHwpmc2TGnZHa/EXsaXlWhUK1NNxEM1Gk6ehnIaxG fzX0x6rOCQPoJUmAObJ/i+7BEMj4k2GuOe2LKHTBIbJaBYxhg3koCNRPvNyWWiIzlttp gfgSVYzCyPSCKGbZwZ9vtovRQrUnCKg6GFvM64XFHirGrIX9lKbd53o+iZ99wDN1p5JM uzDB7q/UJjAdMFocP5bMR9L6oRJM+0R15eKteg+Kj+b9tzK1WJx1jJc9ivjVdAAKuxWu h4TF5qfnB0ZrAIdKx3xDFR213vVA3NqwwcT+MTFKtcvyabMEioqDujKUvxraE9kQqggL kQ== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 32x74rah2q-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:59:53 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07JCwH70098108; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:59:52 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 32xsftag42-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:59:52 +0000 Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 07JCxpXr025229; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:59:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0a4de72a-23d4-4a28-85ba-c1ec37d4909d@default> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 05:59:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: RE: bug#42916: 26.3; `view-lossage': include timestamp References: <9b7f542a-81a1-47cb-a2d2-1bac5b4b55df@default> <878seb9d9e.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <878seb9d9e.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5017.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9717 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=987 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008190114 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9717 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=988 priorityscore=1501 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1011 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008190113 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42916 Cc: 42916 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Especially in such a context, it could be useful to provide a timestamp > > with each event. This could be via a `help-echo' property, for example= . > > Or it could be made available as a separate column, or in some other > > way. >=20 > This would mean querying (and storing) the time stamp of all keystrokes, > which seems excessive for such a marginal feature. Yes. It was just a thought. Perhaps an optional behavior (via mode or otherwise) would be in order - something you could turn on when interested in more complete logging. That could help with some kinds of debugging or learning, for instance. Certainly, if this were a performance drag it shouldn't be the default behavior.
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Full text available.Received: (at 42916) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Aug 2020 09:49:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 19 05:49:38 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37897 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1k8Kiv-000564-Po for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 05:49:38 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:42652) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1k8Kiu-00055r-8U for 42916 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 05:49:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=utGs8bWA6StdYrKpihMEcPwix/aV1l58+mI6eT8c4ME=; b=sXFJDyBs0DjEWxat76J9hWNpZC qrB5pPyWakVwNJ5qmVCqM3qvZYYNick4+qVhJjZOg1pv9qEDGeld1uMumBQo9AZ1Ou25q/6I0lhSh 2wF+VqPh+zshphoESaMZsu7tJOtcCh7wbESZ8atdwvCzkYvrUf3meQDz8dWbmlly/EJM=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1k8Kic-00038o-Rh; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:49:29 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#42916: 26.3; `view-lossage': include timestamp References: <9b7f542a-81a1-47cb-a2d2-1bac5b4b55df@default> X-Now-Playing: Throwing Muses's _Chains Changed_: "Finished" Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:49:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9b7f542a-81a1-47cb-a2d2-1bac5b4b55df@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 18 Aug 2020 10:12:17 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <878seb9d9e.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> writes: > Especially in such a context, it could be useful to provide a timestamp > with each event. This could be via a `help-echo' property, for example. > Or it could be made available as a separate column [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42916 Cc: 42916 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> writes: > Especially in such a context, it could be useful to provide a timestamp > with each event. This could be via a `help-echo' property, for example. > Or it could be made available as a separate column, or in some other > way. This would mean querying (and storing) the time stamp of all keystrokes, which seems excessive for such a marginal feature. Anybody got an opinion here? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9717 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008180120 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9717 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 priorityscore=1501 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 lowpriorityscore=0 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1015 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008180121 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=141.146.126.78; envelope-from=drew.adams@HIDDEN; helo=aserp2120.oracle.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/18 12:13:41 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -63 X-Spam_score: -6.4 X-Spam_bar: ------ X-Spam_report: (-6.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Possible enhancement: If bug #38796 gets taken care of then users could have very long `view-lossage' logs (if they choose). Especially in such a context, it could be useful to provide a timestamp with each event. This could be via a `help-echo' property, for example. Or it could be made available as a separate column, or in some other way. I know it doesn't make a lot of sense with the current state of the output, but with much longer logs it could be helpful. A `help-echo' property provides a tooltip, but it won't help with searching. A UI that lets you search, or filter (e.g. `occur') on not only the event/key/command name but also the time/date, could be useful. Just a thought. `view-lossage' is essentially a log. It could be made more useful than it is now, I expect. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.18362 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3''
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