Received: (at 47291) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Nov 2021 06:19:53 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 12 01:19:53 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43109 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mlPui-0004Oa-AI for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 01:19:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34572) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mlPue-0004O2-3L; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 01:19:51 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=33576 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mlPuY-0001om-OP; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 01:19:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=0PBZbzmonAKMntBtIFB81brghKlU32JAMBte4BR9rkE=; b=guusM14171Nu uI0IOJMXg1Y7OhRCuYvP4ic6T+hHewiOrxvd2Q6OEaQCVc0/azPQF15el9JSF//1z/SOi+2LJ/J9P B3YVDKNztHtfHCV1dHVFeop7m76cC+lf+f+hzrwiXwCNPNzLcpHhTGX9g/sJQ+mybWYCXDJW90mZM e9MaR5r8J0sBESCbwJs6lPXh5dOLhUN6L7oPNxugpR+RxoeIi1CUtR/j3cJkiZf1wpPzXDTsgxuYQ KIM0pmKRZsS6WhShv2SkkNY0OZGDmacFEwgfLWw4ngOJhdRvRWP82cJQu5Nsl8i3MspwFmq8KcnJb 75EG1/dnl5jJNhknGk8rbw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2465 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mlPuY-0001Gn-BZ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 01:19:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 08:19:22 +0200 Message-Id: <83k0hdzyj9.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87czn63wot.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 12 Nov 2021 04:00:18 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#51404: Support system dark mode on Windows 10 References: <CH2PR12MB4231758A937F6FB9F33291CFA5849@HIDDEN> <834k93zxyo.fsf@HIDDEN> <CH2PR12MB4231BD9B939F3D485536A5BAA5849@HIDDEN> <838ryfyawv.fsf@HIDDEN> <CH2PR12MB4231BF93A366641B94D7A636A5849@HIDDEN> <CH2PR12MB423138F5C432C2BBF330BC6BA5859@HIDDEN> <83r1c5tyar.fsf@HIDDEN> <83a6iqpzrv.fsf@HIDDEN> <ddm9cg097co1e4d11e8bh6c6.1635613989653@HIDDEN> <83k0huo1iy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wnlf8d9y.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnlf166j.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wnle6g8o.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ee7m20iz.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czn63wot.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47291 Cc: salvino@HIDDEN, 51404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 47291 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: salvino@HIDDEN, 51404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 47291 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 04:00:18 +0100 > > > Maybe. But some expert (which is not me) will have to explain what to > > do when we receive these messages, or submit patches for that. > > On the Linux side, we convert the messages to input events and then > react to that event from special-event-map, which seems like a > reasonable structure. I mean how to tell what the message wants us to do, i.e. which parts of the UI to change and in what way.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > If that's what people want, sure. I'd expect them to want Emacs to go > to dark background on all frames. Possibly -- there should probably be a user option, I guess. 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I'd expect them to want Emacs to go > to dark background on all frames. Possibly -- there should probably be a user option, I guess. > Maybe. But some expert (which is not me) will have to explain what to > do when we receive these messages, or submit patches for that. On the Linux side, we convert the messages to input events and then react to that event from special-event-map, which seems like a reasonable structure. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 47291) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Nov 2021 15:08:14 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 11 10:08:14 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41935 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mlBgU-0006pF-HI for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 10:08:14 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57488) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mlBgS-0006oy-W3; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 10:08:13 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=56760 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mlBgM-0007VH-Cp; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 10:08:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Bi9DzzxszVB6DzQl2QhPBI+fVguYZSfHEM/WjOAL138=; b=VCj1P6sEiy5T YSYbXFZZM33R9nuqF21XCZPsdGozP9+sp2qHoCZWIIdaHENb+gjoXWZ6ZKIAfVTy9Isxauleg2R5F qmBsz+JmJnvV2CsG1fnMvwIiiGvl+pIjnoF8cLeWZbbKL3EtaztypoBBNnJ6TfD94tkbxljCoWZIJ wE1poeRluPE1Zv40pC6GkD6hOEcZXn1FeONMCcDXa3j0DKNpkddWzROSxdrS/aq4d4H6HUAl0rdwE 1QbWyApMX1IVZ+Ej1EyDibuGStkZsikGEXL8vL12uCdFMNt+LNIeo8TRM0UnCMPN2k42rhV+4TSmd FYAIqgGqJKqBd2yHQQQCJg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2143 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mlBgL-00071O-RT; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 10:08:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 17:08:04 +0200 Message-Id: <83ee7m20iz.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87wnle6g8o.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Thu, 11 Nov 2021 13:15:03 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#51404: Support system dark mode on Windows 10 References: <CH2PR12MB4231758A937F6FB9F33291CFA5849@HIDDEN> <834k93zxyo.fsf@HIDDEN> <CH2PR12MB4231BD9B939F3D485536A5BAA5849@HIDDEN> <838ryfyawv.fsf@HIDDEN> <CH2PR12MB4231BF93A366641B94D7A636A5849@HIDDEN> <CH2PR12MB423138F5C432C2BBF330BC6BA5859@HIDDEN> <83r1c5tyar.fsf@HIDDEN> <83a6iqpzrv.fsf@HIDDEN> <ddm9cg097co1e4d11e8bh6c6.1635613989653@HIDDEN> <83k0huo1iy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wnlf8d9y.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnlf166j.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wnle6g8o.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47291 Cc: salvino@HIDDEN, 51404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 47291 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: salvino@HIDDEN, 51404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 47291 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 13:15:03 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > I'm not sure unification is possible here, because the functionality > > is quite different, AFAICT. At least for the functionality in this > > bug report, we cannot apply the system theme to an existing frame, we > > can only apply it at frame creation time. So having a handler for > > such changes will be able to affect only the frames created after the > > change. Or at least that is my understanding; the code definitely > > applies the dark/light theme as part of creating a frame. > > Gtk Emacs doesn't respond to dark mode either -- so we have the > opportunity to decide how to handle these things across the board. > Perhaps in Gtk Emacs, dynamic-setting-handle-config-changed-event should > also just set something that will make the next frame creation use > different colours? If that's what people want, sure. I'd expect them to want Emacs to go to dark background on all frames. > > Also, having a dynamic thing that tracks changes in these settings > > would on Windows mean listening and processing a special window-system > > message, which seems to be WM_THEMECHANGED or maybe WM_SETTINGCHANGE. > > But that's not what the code installed in this bug report does. > > > > So the functionality seems similar, but the details differ. > > But perhaps Windows should be listening to those events, too? Maybe. But some expert (which is not me) will have to explain what to do when we receive these messages, or submit patches for that.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > I'm not sure unification is possible here, because the functionality > is quite different, AFAICT. At least for the functionality in this > bug report, we cannot apply the system theme to an existin [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47291 Cc: salvino@HIDDEN, 51404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 47291 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > I'm not sure unification is possible here, because the functionality > is quite different, AFAICT. At least for the functionality in this > bug report, we cannot apply the system theme to an existing frame, we > can only apply it at frame creation time. So having a handler for > such changes will be able to affect only the frames created after the > change. Or at least that is my understanding; the code definitely > applies the dark/light theme as part of creating a frame. Gtk Emacs doesn't respond to dark mode either -- so we have the opportunity to decide how to handle these things across the board. Perhaps in Gtk Emacs, dynamic-setting-handle-config-changed-event should also just set something that will make the next frame creation use different colours? > Also, having a dynamic thing that tracks changes in these settings > would on Windows mean listening and processing a special window-system > message, which seems to be WM_THEMECHANGED or maybe WM_SETTINGCHANGE. > But that's not what the code installed in this bug report does. > > So the functionality seems similar, but the details differ. But perhaps Windows should be listening to those events, too? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > I'm not sure I understand why 'light' necessarily means the old > behavior: we didn't set any theme before this change, we just used the > Windows default. So maybe there should be 4 values: > > nil [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47291 Cc: Vince Salvino <salvino@HIDDEN>, 51404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 47291 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > I'm not sure I understand why 'light' necessarily means the old > behavior: we didn't set any theme before this change, we just used the > Windows default. So maybe there should be 4 values: > > nil: never follow the system theme (use Windows default) > t: always follow the system theme > light: force light theme (currently the same as nil) > dark: force dark theme. For a similar bug report, see bug#47291. And we really should support this on GNU/Linux, too, so having three different methods to support this seems sub-optimal. dynamic-setting.el seems like the most likely place to centralise all this, I think? I've had a look at what happens when you change the theme in Gnome, and dynamic-setting-handle-config-changed-event gets called with an (config-changed-event theme-name ":1") event. (But not what the event name is -- anybody know how to get at that?) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Subject: Re: bug#47291: [PATCH] Auto-detect ns-appearance of frames and call a
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On 18 May 2021, at 20:03, Daphne Preston-Kendal <dpk@HIDDEN> =
wrote:
> Is it possible to do that within the framework of what dynamic-setting
> provides? Sorry if this is obvious, I=E2=80=99m just not familiar with =
this
> bit of Emacs.
Since there have been no answers since May, I=E2=80=99d like to suggest/
request that my patch be merged in more or less as it is. If there is
an OS-portable mechanism for detecting light/dark switches somewhere
in a Lisp library, like dynamic-setting.el, then the patch I provide
here can still work as the underlying C implementation, and we can
bridge them together at the Lisp level later. An analogy for this
approach would be how the Lisp-level interprogram-{cut,paste}-function
settings bridge to underlying ns-get-selection and ns-own-selection
functions on Mac OS, but to other things on free OSes.
I=E2=80=99d really like to see this in Emacs 28 if possible!
Daphne
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I took a look at dynamic-setting.el but couldn=E2=80=99t quite see how = what this patch does would fit in with it/how it would enable the same functionality as this patch provides. It doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be documented? (Though in fairness, either is my patch at the moment!) The goal of this patch is to allow Emacs to automatically select different themes depending on the system-wide setting, and automatically change which theme is in use when the system-wide setting changes. There may be multiple themes involved in the change =E2=80= =94 for instance, I would want the light smart-mode-line theme plus light buffer theme enabled when the system is in light mode, but both should be deactivated and changed to the dark smart-mode-line and buffer themes when the system changes to dark mode. Is it possible to do that within the framework of what dynamic-setting provides? Sorry if this is obvious, I=E2=80=99m just not familiar with = this bit of Emacs. Daphne
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This is a slightly cleaned-up version of the patch I initially posted =
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commentary on emacs-devel.
<https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-03/msg00482.html>
The patch makes two closely related changes: when a new frame is
created, the ns-appearance parameter (which was already in Emacs) is
bound to 'light or 'dark depending on the system theme. (Previously,
it could be set explicitly and Emacs would respect that change on a
per-frame basis, but if it wasn't explicitly set it was unbound.)
Secondly, it registers an event handler for changes to the system-wide
theme, and when the system theme changes, it changes the ns-appearance
parameter of all frames to match the new system theme, and runs a new
hook, ns-dark-mode-changed-hook so that users can e.g. set a new Emacs
theme to match the new system theme or whatever.
The patch is against Emacs HEAD as of time of writing. (3cbf92323c)
As mentioned on emacs-devel, this is my first Emacs patch and my first
time programming Objective-C in a long while, so I=E2=80=99d definitely
appreciate feedback!
Daphne Preston-Kendal
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