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How can I find all perl source files under the
perl source tree sorted by size + displayed
w/binary-metric prefixes. I wanted to look for
a good sample for _some_ specific size (not sure
of the size until I'd looked through a few).
I got close using:
find -iname \*.pl |sed 's!./!!' |xargs /usr/bin/ls --block-size=1 -1dhsS
That gave 577 lines of output, but only displaying the 1st entry
of same-size, consecutive entries that only has 15 unique sizes:
312K lib/perl5db.pl
200K lib/Unicode/Collate/Locale/ja.pl
100K lib/Unicode/Collate/Locale/zh_pin.pl
96K ext/XS-APItest/t/utf8_warn_base.pl
36K regen/opcode.pl
32K ext/DynaLoader/DynaLoader_pm.PL
28K regen/feature.pl
24K ext/XS-APItest/t/handy_base.pl
20K Porting/checkURL.pl
16K Porting/corelist.pl
12K t/lib/dbmt_common.pl
8.0K dist/lib/lib_pm.PL
4.0K cpan/Pod-Simple/t/ascii_order.pl
4.0K t/run/dtrace.pl
Unfortunately, the "-s" param on 'ls' drops 99.98% of
the size info. If the -s parameter displayed allocated
space for a file on a device with the block-size
as specified on the command line (useful for determining
how much space the files will take on some device
with a finer block-size).
Using the block size as specified by the user gives
279 uniquely-sized entries losing no information (0%)
on the sizes of the files, with only my elision
of names for the sake of less verbosity
310K lib/perl5db.pl
197K cpan/Unicode-Collate/Collate/Locale/ja.pl
138K regen/mk_invlists.pl
126K Porting/bisect-runner.pl
...
53.3K win32/bin/search.pl
52.1K cpan/IO-Compress/t/compress/generic.pl
49.9K t/test.pl
46.4K utils/perlbug.PL
...
17.4K Porting/pod_lib.pl
17.1K Porting/add-package.pl
....
6.7K dist/Devel-PPPort/Makefile.PL
6.6K cpan/Sys-Syslog/Makefile.PL
6.5K cpan/podlators/Makefile.PL
5.5K cpan/Unicode-Collate/Collate/Locale/da.pl
5.4K symbian/makesis.pl
...
1.2K ext/Hash-Util/Makefile.PL
1.1K win32/bin/perlglob.pl
1.0K ext/File-Glob/Makefile.PL
997 cpan/Unicode-Collate/Makefile.PL
983 cpan/Unicode-Collate/Collate/Locale/mk.pl
...
125 dist/Time-HiRes/hints/sco.pl
110 ext/VMS-DCLsym/Makefile.PL
104 dist/Time-HiRes/hints/dynixptx.pl
101 cpan/DB_File/hints/dynixptx.pl
97 ext/POSIX/hints/mint.pl
94 dist/IO/hints/sco.pl
....
11 symbian/uid.pl
6 t/op/svleak.pl
3 t/run/dtrace.pl
2 cpan/Module-Load-Conditional/t/to_load/LoadMe.pl
--------------------------
Perhaps the '-s' option in ls could pay attention to
the user-specified block-size?
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On 8/10/21 11:56 PM, L A Walsh wrote:
> Perhaps the '-s' option in ls could pay attention to
> the user-specified block-size?
Doesn't it already do that?
$ ls -s libc.so
12192 libc.so
$ ls -s --block-size=1 libc.so
12484608 libc.so
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Hmm... for libc.so, ls -l shows 253 bytes
for -s, it shows '4'
and w/block-size=1, it shows
4096...
My LS_OPTIONS is
LS_OPTIONS=-N --color=tty -T 0
-N for quoting and -T for no tabs
my version: rpm -qf /usr/bin/ls
coreutils-8.23-2.3.2.x86_64
may not be as current as yours, but it would be odd if it changed and
you didn't know...
Ishtar:/usr/lib64> command ls -lgG libc.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 253 Mar 11 11:22 libc.so
Ishtar:/usr/lib64> command ls -s libc.so
4 libc.so
Ishtar:/usr/lib64> command ls --block-size=1 -s libc.so
4096 libc.so
On 2021/08/11 00:40, Paul Eggert wrote:
> On 8/10/21 11:56 PM, L A Walsh wrote:
>> Perhaps the '-s' option in ls could pay attention to
>> the user-specified block-size?
>
> Doesn't it already do that?
>
> $ ls -s libc.so
> 12192 libc.so
> $ ls -s --block-size=1 libc.so
> 12484608 libc.so
On 2021/08/11 00:40, Paul Eggert wrote:
> On 8/10/21 11:56 PM, L A Walsh wrote:
>> Perhaps the '-s' option in ls could pay attention to
>> the user-specified block-size?
>
> Doesn't it already do that?
>
> $ ls -s libc.so
> 12192 libc.so
> $ ls -s --block-size=1 libc.so
> 12484608 libc.so
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On 8/15/21 4:13 PM, L A Walsh wrote:
> Hmm...=C2=A0 for libc.so, ls -l shows 253 bytes
> for -s, it shows '4' and w/block-size=3D1, it shows
> 4096...
Right. That is, those numbers look right.
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On 2021/08/15 21:00, Paul Eggert wrote:
> On 8/15/21 4:13 PM, L A Walsh wrote:
>> Hmm... for libc.so, ls -l shows 253 bytes
>> for -s, it shows '4' and w/block-size=1, it shows
>> 4096...
>
> Right. That is, those numbers look right.
----
But I'm specifying a block size of 1 byte, to determine
what size it would take up on a device that allocates in 'bytes'.
I don't want to display the allocated size on the current device,
but the size that would be allocated on a device with block-size=1-byte.
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On 8/15/21 9:26 PM, L A Walsh wrote:
> I don't want to display the allocated size on the current device,
> but the size that would be allocated on a device with block-size=1-byte.
There's no practical way for 'ls' to calculate that, as the kernel
doesn't reveal that information.
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On 2021/08/15 21:36, Paul Eggert wrote:
> On 8/15/21 9:26 PM, L A Walsh wrote:
>> I don't want to display the allocated size on the current device,
>> but the size that would be allocated on a device with block-size=1-byte.
>
> There's no practical way for 'ls' to calculate that, as the kernel
> doesn't reveal that information.
'du' can display sizes using and arbitrary block size with
no need for kernel support, but it doesn't have the format options
that ls has.
For determining the size with an arbitrary block size, the code
could just be dupped from 'du'.
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On 8/17/21 3:24 AM, L A Walsh wrote:
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>
> On 2021/08/15 21:36, Paul Eggert wrote:
>> On 8/15/21 9:26 PM, L A Walsh wrote:
>>> I don't want to display the allocated size on the current device,
>>> but the size that would be allocated on a device with block-size=1-byte.
>>
>> There's no practical way for 'ls' to calculate that, as the kernel
>> doesn't reveal that information.
>
> 'du' can display sizes using and arbitrary block size with
> no need for kernel support
That's different from displaying the size that would have been allocated
on a device with a block size of 1 byte. 'du' can't do what you
requested, any more than 'ls' can.
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On 2021/08/17 16:00, Paul Eggert wrote:
> That's different from displaying the size that would have been allocated
> on a device with a block size of 1 byte. 'du' can't do what you
> requested, any more than 'ls' can.
----
However you want to phrase it, with:
--block-size=SIZE
I want to have 'ls'
'scale sizes by SIZE before printing them'
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On 8/17/21 4:03 PM, L A Walsh wrote:
> However you want to phrase it, with:
>=20
> =C2=A0=C2=A0 --block-size=3DSIZE
>=20
> I want to have 'ls'
>=20
> =C2=A0=C2=A0 'scale sizes by SIZE before printing them'
But that's what --block-size does.
Perhaps your request would be more clear if you gave a specific example=20
of what you want and why --block-size doesn't do what you want.
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On 2021/08/18 08:39, Paul Eggert wrote:
> Perhaps your request would be more clear if you gave a specific example
> of what you want and why --block-size doesn't do what you want.
----
I wanted to use ls to list the size of files in bytes, and use
Binary prefixes K=1024, M=1024**2, G=1024**3 to display
the the numeric portion with a maximum 3 digits or
use a floating point format with up to 1 digit to the right
of the decimal point: similar and as rounded by use of "%.1f"
as in printf.
Using a list of 577 files in file "files.txt", the existing 'ls'
using:
cat files.txt|xargs /usr/bin/ls --block-size=1 -1dhsS
Instead of displaying the file sizes in bytes, it showed them
rounded to the nearest 4K, so sorting by size and displaying
only the 1st of a given size, I only ended up with 13 unique
file-sizes in the list:
312K lib/perl5db.pl
200K lib/Unicode/Collate/Locale/ja.pl
100K lib/Unicode/Collate/Locale/zh_pin.pl
96K ext/XS-APItest/t/utf8_warn_base.pl
36K regen/opcode.pl
32K ext/DynaLoader/DynaLoader_pm.PL
28K regen/feature.pl
24K ext/XS-APItest/t/handy_base.pl
20K Porting/checkURL.pl
16K Porting/corelist.pl
12K t/lib/dbmt_common.pl
8.0K dist/lib/lib_pm.PL
4.0K cpan/Pod-Simple/t/ascii_order.pl
I expected closer to 100 or more files displayed with size under
1000 bytes.
If 'ls' used the user-specified 'block-size' of 1 byte, the number
of files displayed is actually 279, or over 20 times the number
of files with some names elided for sake of brevity.
310K lib/perl5db.pl
197K cpan/Unicode-Collate/Collate/Locale/ja.pl
138K regen/mk_invlists.pl
126K Porting/bisect-runner.pl
...
53.3K win32/bin/search.pl
52.1K cpan/IO-Compress/t/compress/generic.pl
49.9K t/test.pl
46.4K utils/perlbug.PL
...
17.4K Porting/pod_lib.pl
17.1K Porting/add-package.pl
....
6.7K dist/Devel-PPPort/Makefile.PL
6.6K cpan/Sys-Syslog/Makefile.PL
6.5K cpan/podlators/Makefile.PL
5.5K cpan/Unicode-Collate/Collate/Locale/da.pl
5.4K symbian/makesis.pl
...
1.2K ext/Hash-Util/Makefile.PL
1.1K win32/bin/perlglob.pl
1.0K ext/File-Glob/Makefile.PL
997 cpan/Unicode-Collate/Makefile.PL
983 cpan/Unicode-Collate/Collate/Locale/mk.pl
...
125 dist/Time-HiRes/hints/sco.pl
110 ext/VMS-DCLsym/Makefile.PL
104 dist/Time-HiRes/hints/dynixptx.pl
101 cpan/DB_File/hints/dynixptx.pl
97 ext/POSIX/hints/mint.pl
94 dist/IO/hints/sco.pl
....
11 symbian/uid.pl
6 t/op/svleak.pl
3 t/run/dtrace.pl
2 cpan/Module-Load-Conditional/t/to_load/LoadMe.pl
-----------------------------
Instead 'ls' displays 4.0K for a file that is only 2 bytes.
Clearly it isn't using the block-size specified by the user
in the same way 'du' does:
cd /tmp
echo "1" >out.pl
du -b out.pl
2 out.pl
Ishtar:/tmp> /bin/ls --block-size=1 -1dhsS /tmp/out.pl
4.0K /tmp/out.pl
---
When I use "-b" in du (equivalent to '--apparent-size --block-size=1),
I get a size of '2' which one would expect for a file with 2 chars in it.
however, ls displays 4.0K. Clearly it isn't using the
--block-size=1 that 'du' is using.
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On 8/20/21 12:02 AM, L A Walsh wrote:
> When I use "-b" in du (equivalent to '--apparent-size --block-size=3D1)
Previously in this thread you asked for "allocated space for a file on a=20
device", which is why I was talking about that number.
Now you're asking for apparent size, which is a different number. If you=20
want apparent size, you can use 'ls -l', or follow Andreas's suggestion=20
and use something like 'stat -c "%s %n"'. However, apparent size might=20
be quite different from allocated space, as can be seen in the 1st and=20
6th columns of the last two lines of the following:
$ echo '' >a
$ truncate -s 1TB b; echo '' >>b
$ ls -ls --block-size=3D1 a b
4096 -rw-rw-r-- 1 eggert eggert 1 Aug 20 08:07 a
4096 -rw-rw-r-- 1 eggert eggert 1000000000001 Aug 20 08:07 b
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