Received: (at 51490) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Sep 2022 14:01:52 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 21 10:01:52 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34878 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ob0IS-0000fD-1T for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:01:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45258) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ob0IQ-0000ey-Dg for 51490 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:01:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59710) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ob0IK-000440-Vo; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:01:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=A0v/wioAZ44e04IUU789Ltw1OSmnHiLr0Ze1pBO5c3A=; b=Evo72QKTXOgq y/LmU+tkVOgU7+R6lwl3bPQINRemOxoVjDxTAsnvChAFoCHB7hmGhhS9VnCStzzoq+u/7w7TT2WwG kW20MnkJGCPf5nROyDfoZL+W4n/KLxzwM2STvyiRqP97DZWPWFvWVhxECQQqgFOSZv9vBMu36j5S+ acNYqa2mL8RtpYlVQKiVuHdqKb5Y6zzlo9m8wONte7J1Dd8c5hn/iETn6kMuUardJ3BXmrowRTsaL tlnI93MA8i+1hrpva0fXxWUIyz1ogm2cUqv0as1EI4GOPbkmPnDvKZcBW4giUS5WCoG/Fnps9sycU nR76LTNCpNo50+ax9T3pcw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4480 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ob0IK-0006gr-2D; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:01:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:01:53 +0300 Message-Id: <834jx0vnam.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87bkr8am4o.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:32:39 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#51490: Show an indicator when Emacs is busy somewhere in the Emacs window References: <E1YJ8yb-00049a-UL@HIDDEN> <83ee8a2pm7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fssq2orj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pmru18xg.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lf2i18pv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h7d618j7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bl3e2m1y.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkuGXBQ2DQqHY=pmx3fEMnLTjNVxLA1esHe9ht5va516A@HIDDEN> <87pmrtz1y7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83pmrt1bsa.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y26hxm8a.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmk3MRms=YKA8Tw-3ULZKvucUD=pEui8TYWETPeMgKgXdg@HIDDEN> <87k0hvviiu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmko4SXz_XuHENd5QK=ZY0zr+drL=bo6f4sZQU-ZKgE4TQ@HIDDEN> <87a6iqr8il.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r107nmq7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83y1uewa55.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fsgl7zri.fsf@HIDDEN> <83illhueuo.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wn9x543a.fsf@HIDDEN> <83bkr8vpwy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkr8am4o.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51490 Cc: stefan@HIDDEN, 51490 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: stefan@HIDDEN, 51490 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:32:39 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > That's true, but if Lisp cannot run, neither can redisplay. They both > > access the internal Emacs state: buffers, variables, etc. Even to > > replace a single glyph, you'd need to access faces, right? > > I'm not sure that we have to? That's why I wondered whether we could > somehow get away with just altering the glyph matrix... We barely get away with that on TTY frames (that's how TTY menus are implemented). On GUI frames, I don't think it's feasible, not with the code we have now. As for not accessing any Lisp data: do you really believe our users will let us deprive them of even the minimal customization capabilities, like determining the face of this indicator and how it generally looks? I sincerely doubt that. > > Also, poking a single glyph on a GUI frame is unsafe, because no one > > can be sure the new glyph will have the same metrics as the old one. > > I was thinking way more primitive than that -- just altering the > pixelish data on some level. I.e., I wouldn't want to display the > characters | \ etc, but instead some pre-calculated pixel data. We don't write pixels to the glass, we call GUI APIs to do that.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > That's true, but if Lisp cannot run, neither can redisplay. They both > access the internal Emacs state: buffers, variables, etc. Even to > replace a single glyph, you'd need to access faces, right? 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They both > access the internal Emacs state: buffers, variables, etc. Even to > replace a single glyph, you'd need to access faces, right? I'm not sure that we have to? That's why I wondered whether we could somehow get away with just altering the glyph matrix... > Also, poking a single glyph on a GUI frame is unsafe, because no one > can be sure the new glyph will have the same metrics as the old one. I was thinking way more primitive than that -- just altering the pixelish data on some level. I.e., I wouldn't want to display the characters | \ etc, but instead some pre-calculated pixel data. But like I said, I'm not sure whether even that is feasible...
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Full text available.Received: (at 51490) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Sep 2022 13:08:40 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 21 09:08:40 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32926 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oazSq-0007B8-Ga for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:08:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54482) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oazSp-0007Ar-1O for 51490 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:08:31 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33688) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oazSj-0001SA-S9; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:08:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=a+lMX1tlijz6ePVtcERomBPO3ZlCv825c0syEtVMNH8=; b=G0o2ZWpX3LSC 3tXfOvhaYs+vjo9SdU8etkCYjTe1SZPwH4AbltIWRWAbVn7Zi/f5+jXpra0eA7FlPz7Zpa7fqM7rh 1a6sUTzHy6feSxlRF+/m0GoQSx1sdfQNb+TWvVEUdpA/0FFB/1i7wCYPjVlmlXuONrrIuGq81B1hH iqWFqkVnGHlx5Jn5BFIccDD8A8rfqHj0HJHM1UtoVgNUsFMFg6OJhyjfxlgNaO7uJaMQIe6oZRIuY 7BmvTPv7nXSAkz6V+3VsqsHcZPijTdZviM8tA+GxK7pz7fZ1I/V8ONvsi/tWphsclMd8FhIkEn5j+ gSOOlHzP68xQmAO2vhWUNQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1207 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oazSj-00041w-A5; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:08:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 16:08:34 +0300 Message-Id: <83a66svprh.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmnBOB+n+ifACxTq3gM=J1L=B0ZD1mqyeuS5O9xVtrRWkA@HIDDEN> (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 21 Sep 2022 05:34:51 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#51490: Show an indicator when Emacs is busy somewhere in the Emacs window References: <E1YJ8yb-00049a-UL@HIDDEN> <87wnm22q7y.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ee8a2pm7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fssq2orj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pmru18xg.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lf2i18pv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h7d618j7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bl3e2m1y.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkuGXBQ2DQqHY=pmx3fEMnLTjNVxLA1esHe9ht5va516A@HIDDEN> <87pmrtz1y7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83pmrt1bsa.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y26hxm8a.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmk3MRms=YKA8Tw-3ULZKvucUD=pEui8TYWETPeMgKgXdg@HIDDEN> <87k0hvviiu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmko4SXz_XuHENd5QK=ZY0zr+drL=bo6f4sZQU-ZKgE4TQ@HIDDEN> <87a6iqr8il.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r107nmq7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83y1uewa55.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fsgl7zri.fsf@HIDDEN> <83illhueuo.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wn9x543a.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnBOB+n+ifACxTq3gM=J1L=B0ZD1mqyeuS5O9xVtrRWkA@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51490 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 51490 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 05:34:51 -0700 > Cc: 51490 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > >> Mode line is drawn in C, not in Lisp. > >> > >> And if the problem is that we cannot run the display code, either, > >> then how would it help to poke the glyph? It won't be shown on the > >> glass, because redisplay cannot run. Right? Or what am I missing? > > > > Redisplay can run, but we can't run any Lisp code, and the normal > > formatting of a mode line does (potentially) run lots of Lisp code, > > doesn't it? > > BTW, I think one goal here should be to optionally replace the glyph > with a sequence of images/icons (preferably SVG files). These are also (special kinds of) glyphs.
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It won't be shown on the >> glass, because redisplay cannot run. Right? Or what am I missing? > > Redisplay can run, but we can't run any Lisp code, and the normal > formatting of a mode line does (potentially) run lots of Lisp code, > doesn't it? BTW, I think one goal here should be to optionally replace the glyph with a sequence of images/icons (preferably SVG files).
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Mode line is drawn in C, not in Lisp. > > And if the problem is that we cannot run the display code, either, > then how would it help to poke the glyph? 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It won't be shown on the > glass, because redisplay cannot run. Right? Or what am I missing? Redisplay can run, but we can't run any Lisp code, and the normal formatting of a mode line does (potentially) run lots of Lisp code, doesn't it?
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > I'm not sure I understand the problem and the proposed solution. Are > we talking about having a spinning character, like | / - \, in the > mode lines of a window on TTY frames? 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Are > we talking about having a spinning character, like | / - \, in the > mode lines of a window on TTY frames? Yes -- but not just on TTY frames, but on GUI frames, too (for those that want that). > If so, what are you trying to save by "modifying the glyphs directly", > and why do you think doing so will produce some savings, as opposed to > just update the mode line normally? Because this will be happening from an alarm while Lisp code is running, and we can't run other Lisp code while that is happening. So we have to modify the mode line directly from the C function called by the alarm, I think?
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Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: >>> I'm not at all sure whether there'd be any negative repercussions to >>> spinning a glyph in the mode line area (for instance -- what about if >>> you're running over a slow ssh connection?), but [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51490 Cc: 'Eli Zaretskii' <eliz@HIDDEN>, 51490 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: >>> I'm not at all sure whether there'd be any negative repercussions to >>> spinning a glyph in the mode line area (for instance -- what about if >>> you're running over a slow ssh connection?), but perhaps it's worth >>> exploring and see how goes? >> >> Let's continue discussing this as a new bug. > > I wonder whether this could be implemented by modifying the glyphs in > the mode line directly instead of going through the entire mode line > machinery (for efficiency). I was thinking we'd designate (say) the > first (or last) displayed position on the mode line as "the spinner" > (and restore the previous glyph there after finishing spinning, of > course). Eli, does this seem like feasible approach to you?
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Content preview: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> writes: >> I'm not at all sure whether there'd be any negative repercussions to >> spinning a glyph in the mode line area (for instance -- what about if >> you're running over a slow ssh connection?), but per [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51490 Cc: 51490 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> writes: >> I'm not at all sure whether there'd be any negative repercussions to >> spinning a glyph in the mode line area (for instance -- what about if >> you're running over a slow ssh connection?), but perhaps it's worth >> exploring and see how goes? > > Let's continue discussing this as a new bug. I wonder whether this could be implemented by modifying the glyphs in the mode line directly instead of going through the entire mode line machinery (for efficiency). I was thinking we'd designate (say) the first (or last) displayed position on the mode line as "the spinner" (and restore the previous glyph there after finishing spinning, of course). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> writes: > >> I was talking about showing something in the actual Emacs window, not >> just changing the mouse pointer. The mouse pointer can change also when >> some program has just crashed, so users won't necessarily take this as a >> sign that "everything is okay, just give us a minute and we'll be back". > > And there's no hourglass pointer in terminal Emacs (which apparently is > almost as popular as GUI Emacs for some reason), so perhaps it's worth > having a spinning thing somewhere. In the mode line, for instance. > > However, if we want that, perhaps it shouldn't be tied to > with-delayed-message, but work exactly like the hourglass -- i.e., start > spinning whenever Emacs is busy for a while. > > I'm not at all sure whether there'd be any negative repercussions to > spinning a glyph in the mode line area (for instance -- what about if > you're running over a slow ssh connection?), but perhaps it's worth > exploring and see how goes? Let's continue discussing this as a new bug.
Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>:larsi@HIDDEN, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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