X-Loop: owner@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5206: OPTION key combinations using international keyboards in the NEXTSTEP versions of Emacs don't work Reply-To: Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt@HIDDEN>, 5206 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt@HIDDEN> Resent-To: bug-submit-list@HIDDEN Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> 2Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:25:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5206.B.12606995373741@HIDDEN> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 5206 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@HIDDEN id=B.12606995373741 (code B ref -1); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:25:04 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 13 Dec 2009 10:18:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nBDAItKH003738 for <submit@HIDDEN>; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:18:57 -0800 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NJlXT-0002Ie-2L for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:55 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NJlXN-0002GB-FG for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:53 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42678 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NJlXN-0002Fi-2Z for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:49 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:41880) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <a-bolt@HIDDEN>) id 1NJlXM-0005Qb-Nh for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:48 -0500 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:43934 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <a-bolt@HIDDEN>) id 1NJlXM-0002UD-LU for bug-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:48 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <a-bolt@HIDDEN>) id 1NJlXK-0005QR-Ou for bug-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:47 -0500 Received: from mail49.e.nsc.no ([193.213.115.49]:33418) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <a-bolt@HIDDEN>) id 1NJlXK-0005Q5-8h for bug-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:18:46 -0500 Received: from a-bolt.lan (ti0025a380-dhcp1412.bb.online.no [83.108.153.135]) by mail49.nsc.no (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nBDAIckw008863 for <bug-emacs@HIDDEN>; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:18:39 +0100 (MET) From: Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:18:38 +0100 Message-Id: <88AF87D3-853F-44C6-9737-E654DD4C54F1@HIDDEN> To: bug-emacs@HIDDEN Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Hey! I've been working on Emacs for some time now, and recently I started = using the Mac OS X user interface instead of the X windowing system. But there is one problem: I'm using a Norwegian keyboard, and to use = characters like |, [, ], {, } and a few other characters I need to use = either the OPTION or SHIFT+OPTION keys. In the NEXTSTEP version of Emacs = the OPTION key is defined as the meta key. OPTION+7 =3D | OPTION+8 =3D [ OPTION+9 =3D ] SHIFT+OPTION+7 =3D \ SHIFT+OPTION+8 =3D { SHIFT+OPTION+9 =3D } When I press the OPTION+7 keys, the vertical bar should appear as seen = in the list above, but insted nothing happens until I press an other = key, in this case I used the A key, and "aaaaaaa" appears. When I press = the SHIFT+OPTION+7 keys, the word "system" appears. This problem only = applies to the NEXTSTEP version - the terminal and X window versions = work as they should. Best regards,=20 Anders=
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X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Anders Bolt-Evensen skrev 2009-12-13 11.18: > Hey! > > I've been working on Emacs for some time now, and recently I started using the Mac OS X user interface instead of the X windowing system. > But there is one problem: I'm using a Norwegian keyboard, and to use characters like |, [, ], {, } and a few other characters I need to use either the OPTION or SHIFT+OPTION keys. In the NEXTSTEP version of Emacs the OPTION key is defined as the meta key. > > OPTION+7 = | > OPTION+8 = [ > OPTION+9 = ] > SHIFT+OPTION+7 = \ > SHIFT+OPTION+8 = { > SHIFT+OPTION+9 = } > > When I press the OPTION+7 keys, the vertical bar should appear as seen in the list above, but insted nothing happens until I press an other key, in this case I used the A key, and "aaaaaaa" appears. When I press the SHIFT+OPTION+7 keys, the word "system" appears. This problem only applies to the NEXTSTEP version - the terminal and X window versions work as they should. > The defaults used for Emacs is really bad, it makes Emacs almost unusable for any text input if you have a non-english keyboard. Here is what I do as a workaround: M-x customize-group <return> ns <return> Scroll down a bit and you see NS Command Modifier: [Value Menu] super ... NS Alternate modifier: [Value Menu] meta If you change those so that command is meta and alternate modifier is No modifier you can then use Alt as ususal (i.e. Alt 7 gives | as normal) and use the Command-key as meta. I don't understand why there is a default mapping from Command-key to super. Super is very little used and many binding seems to be duplicates of other bindings. Jan D.
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X-Loop: owner@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5206: OPTION key combinations using international keyboards in the NEXTSTEP versions of Emacs don't work Reply-To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= <jan.h.d@HIDDEN>, 5206 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= <jan.h.d@HIDDEN> Resent-To: bug-submit-list@HIDDEN Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> 2Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:10:08 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5206.B5206.126077774910781@HIDDEN> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 5206 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 5206-submit@HIDDEN id=B5206.126077774910781 (code B ref 5206); Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:10:08 +0000 Received: (at 5206) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 Dec 2009 08:02:29 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from proxy2.bredband.net (proxy2.bredband.net [195.54.101.72]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nBE82RAX010778 for <5206@HIDDEN>; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:02:29 -0800 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy2.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BC01B0AEE6 for 5206@HIDDEN; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:02:22 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgRlAIt/JUtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBSocgj32CSQEBAQE3uT+EKwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,394,1257116400"; d="scan'208";a="15395042" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2009 09:02:21 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D6D97FA07B; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:02:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B25F10C.4080706@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:02:20 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= <jan.h.d@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt@HIDDEN>, 5206 <at> debbugs.gnu.org CC: bug-emacs@HIDDEN References: <88AF87D3-853F-44C6-9737-E654DD4C54F1@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <88AF87D3-853F-44C6-9737-E654DD4C54F1@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anders Bolt-Evensen skrev 2009-12-13 11.18: > Hey! > > I've been working on Emacs for some time now, and recently I started using the Mac OS X user interface instead of the X windowing system. > But there is one problem: I'm using a Norwegian keyboard, and to use characters like |, [, ], {, } and a few other characters I need to use either the OPTION or SHIFT+OPTION keys. In the NEXTSTEP version of Emacs the OPTION key is defined as the meta key. > > OPTION+7 = | > OPTION+8 = [ > OPTION+9 = ] > SHIFT+OPTION+7 = \ > SHIFT+OPTION+8 = { > SHIFT+OPTION+9 = } > > When I press the OPTION+7 keys, the vertical bar should appear as seen in the list above, but insted nothing happens until I press an other key, in this case I used the A key, and "aaaaaaa" appears. When I press the SHIFT+OPTION+7 keys, the word "system" appears. This problem only applies to the NEXTSTEP version - the terminal and X window versions work as they should. > The defaults used for Emacs is really bad, it makes Emacs almost unusable for any text input if you have a non-english keyboard. Here is what I do as a workaround: M-x customize-group <return> ns <return> Scroll down a bit and you see NS Command Modifier: [Value Menu] super ... NS Alternate modifier: [Value Menu] meta If you change those so that command is meta and alternate modifier is No modifier you can then use Alt as ususal (i.e. Alt 7 gives | as normal) and use the Command-key as meta. I don't understand why there is a default mapping from Command-key to super. Super is very little used and many binding seems to be duplicates of other bindings. Jan D.
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Tue, 05 Apr 2016 13:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from breton.local ([2001:8b0:3f8:8129:25e4:bde8:8b05:7289]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 138sm21424571wmf.13.2016.04.05.13.50.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Apr 2016 13:50:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> References: <88AF87D3-853F-44C6-9737-E654DD4C54F1@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 21:50:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <88AF87D3-853F-44C6-9737-E654DD4C54F1@HIDDEN> (Anders Bolt-Evensen's message of "Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:18:38 +0100") Message-ID: <m28u0rlqzm.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt@HIDDEN> writes: > Hey! > > I've been working on Emacs for some time now, and recently I started using the Mac OS X user interface instead of the X windowing system. > But there is one problem: I'm using a Norwegian keyboard, and to use characters like |, [, ], {, } and a few other characters I need to use either the OPTION or SHIFT+OPTION keys. In the NEXTSTEP version of Emacs the OPTION key is defined as the meta key. > > OPTION+7 = | > OPTION+8 = [ > OPTION+9 = ] > SHIFT+OPTION+7 = \ > SHIFT+OPTION+8 = { > SHIFT+OPTION+9 = } > > When I press the OPTION+7 keys, the vertical bar should appear as seen > in the list above, but insted nothing happens until I press an other > key, in this case I used the A key, and "aaaaaaa" appears. When I > press the SHIFT+OPTION+7 keys, the word "system" appears. This problem > only applies to the NEXTSTEP version - the terminal and X window > versions work as they should. Hi, one way round this is to unset the right-option key in Emacs so left-option works as meta and right-option will behave as "normal": (setq ns-right-alternate-modifier (quote none)) If you don't like that, there are all sorts of other ways you could rebind keys. Emacs has behaved this way for a long time so I get the feeling it's unlikely the default behaviour is going to be changed. I don't know what a good alternate default would be as not having a meta key makes Emacs kind of hard to use and I don't consider the escape key a decent alternative. Does anyone else have an opinion? Is this a non-bug? -- Alan Third
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5206: OPTION key combinations using international keyboards in the NEXTSTEP versions of Emacs don't work Resent-From: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 20:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5206.B5206.145988944524906 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5206 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt@HIDDEN> Cc: 5206 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: bug-emacs@HIDDEN, 5206 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 5206-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5206.145988944524906 (code B ref 5206); Tue, 05 Apr 2016 20:51:02 +0000 Received: (at 5206) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Apr 2016 20:50:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50735 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1anXvx-0006Te-Bp for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 16:50:45 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]:34967) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <athird@HIDDEN>) id 1anXvw-0006TR-Fe for 5206 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 16:50:44 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 191so37030857wmq.0 for <5206 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 13:50:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=qsnAukj+yHwpZAjHg6bUR2614RCCw+cI5xLkhnA3R9E=; b=d1zxcwXSnVHYcHiedcEoolA1WPb9f3wuyDQPo1Eq2OF30aeqGWGEBUU/0hh/swbrrl V7mxCZAWxPJBYYyIFLEniKYPMQxr5frIzqcamb3QuXtBhSkFNx/KQFnmN/yzISnzTjSq wGgjg66WIEHgWb6hn7bivvd2tWSLZJOqfTDKJAgjFU/2POj2jISDbZ4L4pnA26vpE0Te nn6lGPgMRB136J6lthlGzwQPfic5zZOdVXcNlJ85hiM6wUUCmsmFwosPYB+Kyi8pFPGx +MrqBlgeSt8EpufH2M3HzwMHViojQ/0R7/BTUvhoIttcTy7k9fohmdWdeWA2A3sY3kbn k41Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=qsnAukj+yHwpZAjHg6bUR2614RCCw+cI5xLkhnA3R9E=; b=Nme/rDRKiNL/i2WT342xNTWX1fNnyNns+CFGerWRc3UgPrUy+Ru69OboWNM5zZaBDU 8LvkgVoBXTTw3o2VW7wtiqyQDTn9Uv6AzdPFo5IjU8n9McE64tSuCFt5kBpZrVzycE6g K6Ka5SNs1lf2HbU+7915vYxSpg6XUHrmDXqEw0KPI/MSSjpTf5BsnJQzJbc95XdrJQLp xIFZBQXaWnFA8RqadS6dTUITdXttCSH9IKMDuW5Gb47U/00Qm1VXiWKQIGMFoCOlX8eW rU4fPiLd7vae4MQ8flLK6NKchEpX7dGPelDYV3p62GZdL8Z8V4O6wyVDdNwsWzJNwMUz 14zw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIucvD7vj+/Uam8+s73aiL5H5foZk7MD5j52lrvWZ/P17+/qiUZ+v/PU2eJlX4N7g== X-Received: by 10.28.224.132 with SMTP id x126mr20420729wmg.88.1459889438905; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 13:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from breton.local ([2001:8b0:3f8:8129:25e4:bde8:8b05:7289]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 138sm21424571wmf.13.2016.04.05.13.50.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Apr 2016 13:50:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> References: <88AF87D3-853F-44C6-9737-E654DD4C54F1@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 21:50:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <88AF87D3-853F-44C6-9737-E654DD4C54F1@HIDDEN> (Anders Bolt-Evensen's message of "Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:18:38 +0100") Message-ID: <m28u0rlqzm.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt@HIDDEN> writes: > Hey! > > I've been working on Emacs for some time now, and recently I started using the Mac OS X user interface instead of the X windowing system. > But there is one problem: I'm using a Norwegian keyboard, and to use characters like |, [, ], {, } and a few other characters I need to use either the OPTION or SHIFT+OPTION keys. In the NEXTSTEP version of Emacs the OPTION key is defined as the meta key. > > OPTION+7 = | > OPTION+8 = [ > OPTION+9 = ] > SHIFT+OPTION+7 = \ > SHIFT+OPTION+8 = { > SHIFT+OPTION+9 = } > > When I press the OPTION+7 keys, the vertical bar should appear as seen > in the list above, but insted nothing happens until I press an other > key, in this case I used the A key, and "aaaaaaa" appears. When I > press the SHIFT+OPTION+7 keys, the word "system" appears. This problem > only applies to the NEXTSTEP version - the terminal and X window > versions work as they should. Hi, one way round this is to unset the right-option key in Emacs so left-option works as meta and right-option will behave as "normal": (setq ns-right-alternate-modifier (quote none)) If you don't like that, there are all sorts of other ways you could rebind keys. Emacs has behaved this way for a long time so I get the feeling it's unlikely the default behaviour is going to be changed. I don't know what a good alternate default would be as not having a meta key makes Emacs kind of hard to use and I don't consider the escape key a decent alternative. Does anyone else have an opinion? Is this a non-bug? -- Alan Third
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