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Subject: Re: bug#5206: OPTION key combinations using international keyboards
in the NEXTSTEP versions of Emacs don't work
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Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt@HIDDEN> writes:
> Hey!
>
> I've been working on Emacs for some time now, and recently I started using the Mac OS X user interface instead of the X windowing system.
> But there is one problem: I'm using a Norwegian keyboard, and to use characters like |, [, ], {, } and a few other characters I need to use either the OPTION or SHIFT+OPTION keys. In the NEXTSTEP version of Emacs the OPTION key is defined as the meta key.
>
> OPTION+7 = |
> OPTION+8 = [
> OPTION+9 = ]
> SHIFT+OPTION+7 = \
> SHIFT+OPTION+8 = {
> SHIFT+OPTION+9 = }
>
> When I press the OPTION+7 keys, the vertical bar should appear as seen
> in the list above, but insted nothing happens until I press an other
> key, in this case I used the A key, and "aaaaaaa" appears. When I
> press the SHIFT+OPTION+7 keys, the word "system" appears. This problem
> only applies to the NEXTSTEP version - the terminal and X window
> versions work as they should.
Hi, one way round this is to unset the right-option key in Emacs so
left-option works as meta and right-option will behave as "normal":
(setq ns-right-alternate-modifier (quote none))
If you don't like that, there are all sorts of other ways you could
rebind keys.
Emacs has behaved this way for a long time so I get the feeling it's
unlikely the default behaviour is going to be changed. I don't know what
a good alternate default would be as not having a meta key makes Emacs
kind of hard to use and I don't consider the escape key a decent
alternative. Does anyone else have an opinion? Is this a non-bug?
--
Alan Third
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From: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN>
To: Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#5206: OPTION key combinations using international keyboards
in the NEXTSTEP versions of Emacs don't work
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Anders Bolt-Evensen <a-bolt@HIDDEN> writes:
> Hey!
>
> I've been working on Emacs for some time now, and recently I started using the Mac OS X user interface instead of the X windowing system.
> But there is one problem: I'm using a Norwegian keyboard, and to use characters like |, [, ], {, } and a few other characters I need to use either the OPTION or SHIFT+OPTION keys. In the NEXTSTEP version of Emacs the OPTION key is defined as the meta key.
>
> OPTION+7 = |
> OPTION+8 = [
> OPTION+9 = ]
> SHIFT+OPTION+7 = \
> SHIFT+OPTION+8 = {
> SHIFT+OPTION+9 = }
>
> When I press the OPTION+7 keys, the vertical bar should appear as seen
> in the list above, but insted nothing happens until I press an other
> key, in this case I used the A key, and "aaaaaaa" appears. When I
> press the SHIFT+OPTION+7 keys, the word "system" appears. This problem
> only applies to the NEXTSTEP version - the terminal and X window
> versions work as they should.
Hi, one way round this is to unset the right-option key in Emacs so
left-option works as meta and right-option will behave as "normal":
(setq ns-right-alternate-modifier (quote none))
If you don't like that, there are all sorts of other ways you could
rebind keys.
Emacs has behaved this way for a long time so I get the feeling it's
unlikely the default behaviour is going to be changed. I don't know what
a good alternate default would be as not having a meta key makes Emacs
kind of hard to use and I don't consider the escape key a decent
alternative. Does anyone else have an opinion? Is this a non-bug?
--
Alan Third
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#5206; Package emacs.
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Anders Bolt-Evensen skrev 2009-12-13 11.18:
> Hey!
>
> I've been working on Emacs for some time now, and recently I started using the Mac OS X user interface instead of the X windowing system.
> But there is one problem: I'm using a Norwegian keyboard, and to use characters like |, [, ], {, } and a few other characters I need to use either the OPTION or SHIFT+OPTION keys. In the NEXTSTEP version of Emacs the OPTION key is defined as the meta key.
>
> OPTION+7 = |
> OPTION+8 = [
> OPTION+9 = ]
> SHIFT+OPTION+7 = \
> SHIFT+OPTION+8 = {
> SHIFT+OPTION+9 = }
>
> When I press the OPTION+7 keys, the vertical bar should appear as seen in the list above, but insted nothing happens until I press an other key, in this case I used the A key, and "aaaaaaa" appears. When I press the SHIFT+OPTION+7 keys, the word "system" appears. This problem only applies to the NEXTSTEP version - the terminal and X window versions work as they should.
>
The defaults used for Emacs is really bad, it makes Emacs almost unusable for
any text input if you have a non-english keyboard.
Here is what I do as a workaround:
M-x customize-group <return> ns <return>
Scroll down a bit and you see
NS Command Modifier: [Value Menu] super
...
NS Alternate modifier: [Value Menu] meta
If you change those so that command is meta and alternate modifier is No
modifier you can then use Alt as ususal (i.e. Alt 7 gives | as normal) and use
the Command-key as meta.
I don't understand why there is a default mapping from Command-key to super.
Super is very little used and many binding seems to be duplicates of other
bindings.
Jan D.
Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@HIDDEN>:Emacs Bugs <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>.
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Subject: Re: bug#5206: OPTION key combinations using international keyboards
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Anders Bolt-Evensen skrev 2009-12-13 11.18:
> Hey!
>
> I've been working on Emacs for some time now, and recently I started using the Mac OS X user interface instead of the X windowing system.
> But there is one problem: I'm using a Norwegian keyboard, and to use characters like |, [, ], {, } and a few other characters I need to use either the OPTION or SHIFT+OPTION keys. In the NEXTSTEP version of Emacs the OPTION key is defined as the meta key.
>
> OPTION+7 = |
> OPTION+8 = [
> OPTION+9 = ]
> SHIFT+OPTION+7 = \
> SHIFT+OPTION+8 = {
> SHIFT+OPTION+9 = }
>
> When I press the OPTION+7 keys, the vertical bar should appear as seen in the list above, but insted nothing happens until I press an other key, in this case I used the A key, and "aaaaaaa" appears. When I press the SHIFT+OPTION+7 keys, the word "system" appears. This problem only applies to the NEXTSTEP version - the terminal and X window versions work as they should.
>
The defaults used for Emacs is really bad, it makes Emacs almost unusable for
any text input if you have a non-english keyboard.
Here is what I do as a workaround:
M-x customize-group <return> ns <return>
Scroll down a bit and you see
NS Command Modifier: [Value Menu] super
...
NS Alternate modifier: [Value Menu] meta
If you change those so that command is meta and alternate modifier is No
modifier you can then use Alt as ususal (i.e. Alt 7 gives | as normal) and use
the Command-key as meta.
I don't understand why there is a default mapping from Command-key to super.
Super is very little used and many binding seems to be duplicates of other
bindings.
Jan D.
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Hey!
I've been working on Emacs for some time now, and recently I started =
using the Mac OS X user interface instead of the X windowing system.
But there is one problem: I'm using a Norwegian keyboard, and to use =
characters like |, [, ], {, } and a few other characters I need to use =
either the OPTION or SHIFT+OPTION keys. In the NEXTSTEP version of Emacs =
the OPTION key is defined as the meta key.
OPTION+7 =3D |
OPTION+8 =3D [
OPTION+9 =3D ]
SHIFT+OPTION+7 =3D \
SHIFT+OPTION+8 =3D {
SHIFT+OPTION+9 =3D }
When I press the OPTION+7 keys, the vertical bar should appear as seen =
in the list above, but insted nothing happens until I press an other =
key, in this case I used the A key, and "aaaaaaa" appears. When I press =
the SHIFT+OPTION+7 keys, the word "system" appears. This problem only =
applies to the NEXTSTEP version - the terminal and X window versions =
work as they should.
Best regards,=20
Anders=
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