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Jackson" <nljlistbox2@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 28.0.90; Default Emacs is too noisy Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:20:28 -0500 Message-ID: <874k6a9g8j.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2607:f8b0:4864:20::834 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::834; envelope-from=nljlistbox2@HIDDEN; helo=mail-qt1-x834.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) I ran emacs -Q today (to confirm a bug) and I was driven to distraction by all the beeping. [My Emacs is mercifully silent, presumably(?) because I have `visible-bell' turned on, so I'm not used to all the noise.] On this system the beep sounds like a drop of water falling into a pool and it is very loud (even though I keep my volume level set quite low). Just a few minutes in emacs -Q was a torture. It seems that this noisiness must be a deterrent to new users starting to use Emacs; it would certainly discourage some from sticking with it when they first use it. One simple improvement would be to not sound a beep when the user presses `C-g'. That would reduce the amount of noise very greatly. 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