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[74.73.128.199]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j62sm5686358qtd.37.2016.08.03.18.50.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Aug 2016 18:50:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@HIDDEN> To: Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#5331: Term mode doesn't set tty erase References: <2E5E576A-1165-4754-9C47-0CFDAAED4977@HIDDEN> <201001070827.o078RbDP002615@HIDDEN> <460078AB-C49F-4C5C-96FE-7724132F4739@HIDDEN> <201001072135.o07LZKBJ001202@HIDDEN> <6CE7E79E-7064-4D14-8946-44B568EC8C16@HIDDEN> <201001081909.o08J9EC3017862@HIDDEN> <F7E6D22C-7C8C-4286-AD22-D4AF393B01C5@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2016 21:50:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <F7E6D22C-7C8C-4286-AD22-D4AF393B01C5@HIDDEN> (Scott Bell's message of "Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:23:12 -0700") Message-ID: <m2k2fxe1zn.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5331 Cc: 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> writes: > On 2010-01-08, at 12:09 PM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > >> Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> writes: >> >>> On 2010-01-07, at 2:35 PM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: >>> >>>> Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> writes: >>>> >>>>> On 2010-01-07, at 1:27 AM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: >>>> >>>> term.el does not do anything special for tcsh, so because it works >>>> there, it's probably a problem in the initialization of the other >>>> shells, not in term.el. >>> >>> I agree. It seems like a shame that Mac OS relies on >>> the default emulator (Terminal.app) to perform this >>> initialization. >> >> Not sure what you mean... >> It's probably due to buggy initialization for those shells, or because >> they get confused about TERM value used by term.el: eterm-color. > > Terminal.app has to be doing something, because I've tried > setting term-term-name to 'xterm-color', which is the same > TERM used by Terminal.app. So it seems like buggy shell > initialization which Terminal.app is overriding somehow. This bug reproduces on Emacs 25.1.50.1. I also tried running emacs via iTerm2 and it had the same issue.
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Full text available.Received: (at 5331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2010 19:23:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 08 14:23:37 2010 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1NTKQq-0005r7-IS for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:23:36 -0500 Received: from asmtpout023.mac.com ([17.148.16.98]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <sctb@HIDDEN>) id 1NTKQo-0005r0-Ci for 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:23:34 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([70.72.209.234]) by asmtp023.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KVY000HW0ION450@HIDDEN> for 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:23:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#5331: Term mode doesn't set tty erase From: Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <201001081909.o08J9EC3017862@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:23:12 -0700 Message-id: <F7E6D22C-7C8C-4286-AD22-D4AF393B01C5@HIDDEN> References: <2E5E576A-1165-4754-9C47-0CFDAAED4977@HIDDEN> <201001070827.o078RbDP002615@HIDDEN> <460078AB-C49F-4C5C-96FE-7724132F4739@HIDDEN> <201001072135.o07LZKBJ001202@HIDDEN> <6CE7E79E-7064-4D14-8946-44B568EC8C16@HIDDEN> <201001081909.o08J9EC3017862@HIDDEN> To: 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5331 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) On 2010-01-08, at 12:09 PM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> writes: > >> On 2010-01-07, at 2:35 PM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: >> >>> Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> writes: >>> >>>> On 2010-01-07, at 1:27 AM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: >>> >>> term.el does not do anything special for tcsh, so because it works >>> there, it's probably a problem in the initialization of the other >>> shells, not in term.el. >> >> I agree. It seems like a shame that Mac OS relies on >> the default emulator (Terminal.app) to perform this >> initialization. > > Not sure what you mean... > It's probably due to buggy initialization for those shells, or because > they get confused about TERM value used by term.el: eterm-color. Terminal.app has to be doing something, because I've tried setting term-term-name to 'xterm-color', which is the same TERM used by Terminal.app. So it seems like buggy shell initialization which Terminal.app is overriding somehow.
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Full text available.Received: (at 5331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2010 19:09:27 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 08 14:09:27 2010 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1NTKD8-0005dK-TO for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:09:27 -0500 Received: from colin-baker-v0.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.153]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <dann@HIDDEN>) id 1NTKD6-0005dF-N3 for 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:09:25 -0500 Received: from godzilla.ics.uci.edu (godzilla.ics.uci.edu [128.195.10.101]) by colin-baker-v0.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o08J9EdB000672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:09:14 -0800 Received: (from dann@localhost) by godzilla.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id o08J9EC3017862; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:09:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:09:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <201001081909.o08J9EC3017862@HIDDEN> From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@HIDDEN> To: Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#5331: Term mode doesn't set tty erase References: <2E5E576A-1165-4754-9C47-0CFDAAED4977@HIDDEN> <201001070827.o078RbDP002615@HIDDEN> <460078AB-C49F-4C5C-96FE-7724132F4739@HIDDEN> <201001072135.o07LZKBJ001202@HIDDEN> <6CE7E79E-7064-4D14-8946-44B568EC8C16@HIDDEN> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes In-Reply-To: <6CE7E79E-7064-4D14-8946-44B568EC8C16@HIDDEN> (Scott Bell's message of "Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:06:54 -0700") Lines: 45 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please send mail to helpdesk@HIDDEN or more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: o08J9EdB000672 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@HIDDEN X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5331 Cc: 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> writes: > On 2010-01-07, at 2:35 PM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > > > Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> writes: > > > >> On 2010-01-07, at 1:27 AM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > >> > >>> Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> writes: > >>> > >>>> ... > >>>> > >>>> It seems like the least surprising thing would be to define > >>>> erase to ^? so that most programs will behave as expected > >>>> when the DEL key is typed. > >>> > >>> I can't reproduce this on GNU/Linux and Solaris. > >>> This is probably a Mac OS X problem which not too many people here have > >>> access to... > >>> Do you get the same results with /bin/tcsh? > >> > >> It looks like tcsh is the only one where erase > >> is defined: > >> > >> bash: <undef> > >> zsh: <undef> > >> tcsh: ^? > >> ksh: <undef> > >> > >> When these shells are launched using Terminal.app > >> (the terminal emulator that ships with Mac OS), erase > >> is always bound to ^?. > > > > term.el does not do anything special for tcsh, so because it works > > there, it's probably a problem in the initialization of the other > > shells, not in term.el. > > I agree. It seems like a shame that Mac OS relies on > the default emulator (Terminal.app) to perform this > initialization. Not sure what you mean... It's probably due to buggy initialization for those shells, or because they get confused about TERM value used by term.el: eterm-color.
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Full text available.Received: (at 5331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2010 17:07:09 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 08 12:07:09 2010 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1NTIIn-0004fg-DY for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:07:09 -0500 Received: from asmtpout030.mac.com ([17.148.16.105]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <sctb@HIDDEN>) id 1NTIIl-0004fb-Pq for 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:07:08 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([70.72.209.234]) by asmtp030.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KVX00807U7MTB70@HIDDEN> for 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:06:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#5331: Term mode doesn't set tty erase From: Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <201001072135.o07LZKBJ001202@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:06:54 -0700 Message-id: <6CE7E79E-7064-4D14-8946-44B568EC8C16@HIDDEN> References: <2E5E576A-1165-4754-9C47-0CFDAAED4977@HIDDEN> <201001070827.o078RbDP002615@HIDDEN> <460078AB-C49F-4C5C-96FE-7724132F4739@HIDDEN> <201001072135.o07LZKBJ001202@HIDDEN> To: 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5331 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) On 2010-01-07, at 2:35 PM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> writes: > >> On 2010-01-07, at 1:27 AM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: >> >>> Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> writes: >>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>> It seems like the least surprising thing would be to define >>>> erase to ^? so that most programs will behave as expected >>>> when the DEL key is typed. >>> >>> I can't reproduce this on GNU/Linux and Solaris. >>> This is probably a Mac OS X problem which not too many people here have >>> access to... >>> Do you get the same results with /bin/tcsh? >> >> It looks like tcsh is the only one where erase >> is defined: >> >> bash: <undef> >> zsh: <undef> >> tcsh: ^? >> ksh: <undef> >> >> When these shells are launched using Terminal.app >> (the terminal emulator that ships with Mac OS), erase >> is always bound to ^?. > > term.el does not do anything special for tcsh, so because it works > there, it's probably a problem in the initialization of the other > shells, not in term.el. I agree. It seems like a shame that Mac OS relies on the default emulator (Terminal.app) to perform this initialization.
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Full text available.Received: (at 5331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2010 21:35:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 07 16:35:33 2010 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1NT00z-0002C5-B7 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:35:33 -0500 Received: from colin-baker-v0.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.153]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <dann@HIDDEN>) id 1NT00w-0002Bz-Km for 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:35:31 -0500 Received: from godzilla.ics.uci.edu (godzilla.ics.uci.edu [128.195.10.101]) by colin-baker-v0.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o07LZLHV011672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:35:21 -0800 Received: (from dann@localhost) by godzilla.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id o07LZKBJ001202; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:35:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:35:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <201001072135.o07LZKBJ001202@HIDDEN> From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@HIDDEN> To: Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#5331: Term mode doesn't set tty erase References: <2E5E576A-1165-4754-9C47-0CFDAAED4977@HIDDEN> <201001070827.o078RbDP002615@HIDDEN> <460078AB-C49F-4C5C-96FE-7724132F4739@HIDDEN> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes In-Reply-To: <460078AB-C49F-4C5C-96FE-7724132F4739@HIDDEN> (Scott Bell's message of "Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:14:29 -0700") Lines: 32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please send mail to helpdesk@HIDDEN or more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: o07LZLHV011672 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@HIDDEN X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5331 Cc: 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> writes: > On 2010-01-07, at 1:27 AM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > > > Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> writes: > > > >> ... > >> > >> It seems like the least surprising thing would be to define > >> erase to ^? so that most programs will behave as expected > >> when the DEL key is typed. > > > > I can't reproduce this on GNU/Linux and Solaris. > > This is probably a Mac OS X problem which not too many people here have > > access to... > > Do you get the same results with /bin/tcsh? > > It looks like tcsh is the only one where erase > is defined: > > bash: <undef> > zsh: <undef> > tcsh: ^? > ksh: <undef> > > When these shells are launched using Terminal.app > (the terminal emulator that ships with Mac OS), erase > is always bound to ^?. term.el does not do anything special for tcsh, so because it works there, it's probably a problem in the initialization of the other shells, not in term.el.
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Full text available.Received: (at 5331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2010 16:14:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 07 11:14:50 2010 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1NSv0b-0007pG-SH for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:14:50 -0500 Received: from asmtpout025.mac.com ([17.148.16.100]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <sctb@HIDDEN>) id 1NSv0Z-0007pA-GA for 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:14:48 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([70.72.209.234]) by asmtp025.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KVV00IETX456O70@HIDDEN> for 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 08:14:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#5331: Term mode doesn't set tty erase From: Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <201001070827.o078RbDP002615@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:14:29 -0700 Message-id: <460078AB-C49F-4C5C-96FE-7724132F4739@HIDDEN> References: <2E5E576A-1165-4754-9C47-0CFDAAED4977@HIDDEN> <201001070827.o078RbDP002615@HIDDEN> To: 5331 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5331 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) On 2010-01-07, at 1:27 AM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN> writes: > >> ... >> >> It seems like the least surprising thing would be to define >> erase to ^? so that most programs will behave as expected >> when the DEL key is typed. > > I can't reproduce this on GNU/Linux and Solaris. > This is probably a Mac OS X problem which not too many people here have > access to... > Do you get the same results with /bin/tcsh? It looks like tcsh is the only one where erase is defined: bash: <undef> zsh: <undef> tcsh: ^? ksh: <undef> When these shells are launched using Terminal.app (the terminal emulator that ships with Mac OS), erase is always bound to ^?.
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Under Mac OS X 10.6.2, Emacs 23.1.90.1, in an M-x term buffer
running /bin/bash, `stty -a' reports the following:
speed 9600 baud; 33 rows; 90 columns;
lflags: icanon isig iexten echo echoe -echok echoke -echonl echoctl
-echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -flusho pendin -nokerninfo
-extproc
iflags: -istrip icrnl -inlcr -igncr ixon -ixoff ixany imaxbel -iutf8
-ignbrk brkint -inpck -ignpar -parmrk
oflags: opost onlcr -oxtabs -onocr -onlret
cflags: cread cs8 -parenb -parodd hupcl -clocal -cstopb -crtscts -dsrflow
-dtrflow -mdmbuf
cchars: discard = ^O; dsusp = ^Y; eof = ^D; eol = <undef>;
eol2 = <undef>; erase = <undef>; intr = ^C; kill = <undef>;
lnext = ^V; min = 1; quit = ^\; reprint = ^R; start = ^Q;
status = ^T; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; time = 0; werase = ^W;
It seems like the least surprising thing would be to define
erase to ^? so that most programs will behave as expected
when the DEL key is typed.
Scott Bell <sctb@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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