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If viper-mode is on and you for example in org-mode are in on a header
line with an invisible body and press =E2=80=9Co=E2=80=9D then the invisibl=
e text is
still invisible and point is now in the invisible part.

I think this is a general Emacs problem, not a problem with only Viper
and I suggest that global-reveal-mode is turned on by default.

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Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@HIDDEN> writes:

> If viper-mode is on and you for example in org-mode are in on a header
> line with an invisible body and press =E2=80=9Co=E2=80=9D then the invisi=
ble text is
> still invisible and point is now in the invisible part.
>
> I think this is a general Emacs problem, not a problem with only Viper
> and I suggest that global-reveal-mode is turned on by default.

Sorry for the late reply.  This is still a problem in Emacs 25.

I don't know if I agree that this is a problem, though. The behavior I
see with Viper (or Evil, for that matter) is confusing but not crazy. I
still see that I'm inserting something before the invisible part
(represented by "..."), and when I expand the outline, then my edit
indeed put the text before that invisible part.

Turning on global-reveal-mode by default would change the org experience
and as well, so I'm unsure that is something others would agree on.

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Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@HIDDEN> writes:

> Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> If viper-mode is on and you for example in org-mode are in on a header
>> line with an invisible body and press =E2=80=9Co=E2=80=9D then the invis=
ible text is
>> still invisible and point is now in the invisible part.
>>
>> I think this is a general Emacs problem, not a problem with only Viper
>> and I suggest that global-reveal-mode is turned on by default.
>
> Sorry for the late reply.  This is still a problem in Emacs 25.
>
> I don't know if I agree that this is a problem, though. The behavior I
> see with Viper (or Evil, for that matter) is confusing but not crazy. I
> still see that I'm inserting something before the invisible part
> (represented by "..."), and when I expand the outline, then my edit
> indeed put the text before that invisible part.
>
> Turning on global-reveal-mode by default would change the org experience
> and as well, so I'm unsure that is something others would agree on.

No one has yet disagreed with me, so I'm going to mark this one as a
wishlist - I think there is something that either Org or Viper could do
to work better with each other, but this is more of a feature request
than a bug IMHO.

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It is definitively a bug in my opinion.


On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@HIDDEN> wrote:

> Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> > Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@HIDDEN> writes:
> >
> >> If viper-mode is on and you for example in org-mode are in on a header
> >> line with an invisible body and press =E2=80=9Co=E2=80=9D then the inv=
isible text is
> >> still invisible and point is now in the invisible part.
> >>
> >> I think this is a general Emacs problem, not a problem with only Viper
> >> and I suggest that global-reveal-mode is turned on by default.
> >
> > Sorry for the late reply.  This is still a problem in Emacs 25.
> >
> > I don't know if I agree that this is a problem, though. The behavior I
> > see with Viper (or Evil, for that matter) is confusing but not crazy. I
> > still see that I'm inserting something before the invisible part
> > (represented by "..."), and when I expand the outline, then my edit
> > indeed put the text before that invisible part.
> >
> > Turning on global-reveal-mode by default would change the org experienc=
e
> > and as well, so I'm unsure that is something others would agree on.
>
> No one has yet disagreed with me, so I'm going to mark this one as a
> wishlist - I think there is something that either Org or Viper could do
> to work better with each other, but this is more of a feature request
> than a bug IMHO.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">It is definitively a bug in my opinion.<br><div><br></div>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug=
 18, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Andrew Hyatt <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
ahyatt@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">ahyatt@HIDDEN</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">A=
ndrew Hyatt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ahyatt@HIDDEN">ahyatt@HIDDEN</a>&gt=
; writes:<br>
<br>
&gt; Lennart Borgman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lennart.borgman@HIDDEN">lenna=
rt.borgman@HIDDEN</a>&gt; writes:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; If viper-mode is on and you for example in org-mode are in on a he=
ader<br>
&gt;&gt; line with an invisible body and press =E2=80=9Co=E2=80=9D then the=
 invisible text is<br>
&gt;&gt; still invisible and point is now in the invisible part.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I think this is a general Emacs problem, not a problem with only V=
iper<br>
&gt;&gt; and I suggest that global-reveal-mode is turned on by default.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Sorry for the late reply.=C2=A0 This is still a problem in Emacs 25.<b=
r>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I don&#39;t know if I agree that this is a problem, though. The behavi=
or I<br>
&gt; see with Viper (or Evil, for that matter) is confusing but not crazy. =
I<br>
&gt; still see that I&#39;m inserting something before the invisible part<b=
r>
&gt; (represented by &quot;...&quot;), and when I expand the outline, then =
my edit<br>
&gt; indeed put the text before that invisible part.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Turning on global-reveal-mode by default would change the org experien=
ce<br>
&gt; and as well, so I&#39;m unsure that is something others would agree on=
.<br>
<br>
</div></div>No one has yet disagreed with me, so I&#39;m going to mark this=
 one as a<br>
wishlist - I think there is something that either Org or Viper could do<br>
to work better with each other, but this is more of a feature request<br>
than a bug IMHO.<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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