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Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> writes:
> Lars> But it'd be nice if a defcustom interface for keymaps existed.
>
> Something like this?
>
> (defcustom keymap-additions nil
> "Alist of bindings to add to keymaps at startup.
> Keys are keymap symbols, values are lists of conses, format
> (key-binding . command)
>
> Where KEY-BINDING is a kbd format key specification, and COMMAND is an
> Emacs command.")
>
> So you could have that be
>
> '((fundamental-mode-map . (("C-a" . mark-whole-buffer)
> ("C-b" . backward-word)))
> (elisp-mode-map . (("C-a" . mark-defun))))
Yes, something like that. But the major work would be to create a
sensible widget that allows people to customise the keymap in question.
It'd be nice if it displayed a graphical keyboard in a buffer, and you
could click on keys to specify what they should output. =F0=9F=98=80
Or something simpler, for instance a widget where you ask the user to
enter a chord/key stroke, and then prompt what command to bind that to.
Or... something else. Many possibilities here.
--=20
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Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
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On Wed, 18 May 2022 at 08:13, Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> wrote:
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> >>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 19:27:14 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN=
rg> said:
>
> Lars> Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> writes:
> >> You mean using customize for keymaps? I=CA=BCd say 'no', but I=CA=
=BCm not an
> >> Emacs maintainer.
>
> Lars> Yes, adding a defcustom now for keymaps would be pointless.
>
> Lars> But it'd be nice if a defcustom interface for keymaps existed.
>
> Something like this?
>
> (defcustom keymap-additions nil
> "Alist of bindings to add to keymaps at startup.
> Keys are keymap symbols, values are lists of conses, format
> (key-binding . command)
>
> Where KEY-BINDING is a kbd format key specification, and COMMAND is an
> Emacs command.")
>
> So you could have that be
>
> '((fundamental-mode-map . (("C-a" . mark-whole-buffer)
> ("C-b" . backward-word)))
> (elisp-mode-map . (("C-a" . mark-defun))))
Exactly. It should include
:type '(alist :key-type key-sequence :value-type function)
as I suggested 9 days ago in this thread.
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Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
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>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 19:27:14 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN=
> said:
Lars> Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> writes:
>> You mean using customize for keymaps? I=CA=BCd say 'no', but I=CA=BC=
m not an
>> Emacs maintainer.
Lars> Yes, adding a defcustom now for keymaps would be pointless.
Lars> But it'd be nice if a defcustom interface for keymaps existed.
Something like this?
(defcustom keymap-additions nil
"Alist of bindings to add to keymaps at startup.
Keys are keymap symbols, values are lists of conses, format
(key-binding . command)
Where KEY-BINDING is a kbd format key specification, and COMMAND is an
Emacs command.")
So you could have that be
'((fundamental-mode-map . (("C-a" . mark-whole-buffer)
("C-b" . backward-word)))
(elisp-mode-map . (("C-a" . mark-defun))))
Robert
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> You mean using customize for keymaps? I=CA=BCd say 'no', but I=CA=BCm not=
an
> Emacs maintainer.
Yes, adding a defcustom now for keymaps would be pointless.
But it'd be nice if a defcustom interface for keymaps existed.
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From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>
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Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
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>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 17:03:07 +0100, Phil Hudson <phil.hudson@HIDDEN=
m> said:
Phil> So after a week, can I get a clear yes or no on this? Either is f=
ine.
You mean using customize for keymaps? I=CA=BCd say 'no', but I=CA=BCm not an
Emacs maintainer.
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Either is fine. On Mon, 9 May 2022 at 16:04, Phil Hudson <phil.hudson@HIDDEN> wrote: > > On Mon, 9 May 2022 at 14:39, Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> wrote: > > > > >>>>> On Mon, 9 May 2022 11:02:20 +0100, Phil Hudson <phil.hudson@iname= .com> said: > > > > Phil> Isn't that exactly the right place for declarative personal p= references? > > > > Yes, but if a keymap were a defcustom, then the whole keymap would be > > in your .emacs, and you would not receive any updates if the keymap > > definition changed, since that affects the *default* defcustom value. > > True that, and I had not thought of it, but now that I have, I still > don't see it as necessarily confounding. Doesn't the same objection > (if it is one) apply to *every* defcustom? Is that not the risk that > the user takes when they change any custom option, and the risk that > every dev takes when they introduce a defcustom? > > > Now if you wanted to define a defcustom type for changing bindings in a= n > > existing keymap, that=CA=BCs a different proposition (and we already ha= ve > > define-key, so I=CA=BCm not so sure of the utility). > > That is exactly what I (think I) want. The utility is admittedly > marginal but perhaps not trivial. It's the difference between a > declarative approach, which I take to be intrinsically more accessible > and intuitive, especially to non-programmers, versus an imperative > one. It's essentially the case for custom options in general. > > I suppose my maximalist claim would be that mode-defined keymaps are > self-evidently customize options that have somehow historically been > accidentally overlooked. I'm not entirely convinced myself, though. > Maybe we should just let it sit for a while. There's obviously > something about it that doesn't *feel* right to people with deeper > insight than I have.
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True that, and I had not thought of it, but now that I have, I still don't see it as necessarily confounding. Doesn't the same objection (if it is one) apply to *every* defcustom? Is that not the risk that the user takes when they change any custom option, and the risk that every dev takes when they introduce a defcustom? > Now if you wanted to define a defcustom type for changing bindings in an > existing keymap, that=CA=BCs a different proposition (and we already have > define-key, so I=CA=BCm not so sure of the utility). That is exactly what I (think I) want. The utility is admittedly marginal but perhaps not trivial. It's the difference between a declarative approach, which I take to be intrinsically more accessible and intuitive, especially to non-programmers, versus an imperative one. It's essentially the case for custom options in general. I suppose my maximalist claim would be that mode-defined keymaps are self-evidently customize options that have somehow historically been accidentally overlooked. I'm not entirely convinced myself, though. Maybe we should just let it sit for a while. There's obviously something about it that doesn't *feel* right to people with deeper insight than I have.
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>>>>> On Mon, 9 May 2022 11:02:20 +0100, Phil Hudson <phil.hudson@HIDDEN=
> said:
Phil> On Mon, 9 May 2022 at 10:54, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> w=
rote:
>>=20
>> Phil Hudson <phil.hudson@HIDDEN> writes:
>>=20
>> > How about ":type '(alist :key-type key-sequence :value-type functi=
on)"?
>>=20
>> Like I said, that wouldn't be very useful, because people don't want=
the
>> entire keymap in their .emacs files anyway.
Phil> Isn't that exactly the right place for declarative personal prefe=
rences?
Yes, but if a keymap were a defcustom, then the whole keymap would be
in your .emacs, and you would not receive any updates if the keymap
definition changed, since that affects the *default* defcustom value.
Now if you wanted to define a defcustom type for changing bindings in an
existing keymap, that=CA=BCs a different proposition (and we already have
define-key, so I=CA=BCm not so sure of the utility).
Robert
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Like I said, that wouldn't be very useful, because people don't want the entire keymap in their .emacs files anyway. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 55301) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2022 09:53:16 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 09 05:53:16 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56168 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1no04q-0005MF-F0 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2022 05:53:16 -0400 Received: from mail-vs1-f47.google.com ([209.85.217.47]:36582) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <philhudsonster@HIDDEN>) id 1no04p-0005M2-4m for 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2022 05:53:15 -0400 Received: by mail-vs1-f47.google.com with SMTP id a127so13310199vsa.3 for <55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 09 May 2022 02:53:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=veqezXzx0kfXFH/DGeS4LSP1dtXS+4u3oBKjtAvxkKs=; b=C0xPGHeI3GqKzMZ0FnUD/MggjKGxE7c4ezyJ7MviAaDTPtZd13bbkczY7gZ/oUIzSX h2Ieg19+WIgWQOhPFfZJlyVQsPKlUQ3Og/W9etwSfjUbtRLI5wH+XSa+7ruo+4gRX2pw zB1DpXt5y+MEpswmVBNQY33qfUugg5d4Yl8zAsp4fiwVig8/2iqw1saNrOdP0Zoom/5B AsjO7oA/WW0qpd6KRJqjUwT3EXfDFUOcvuSIiO28t5pZi4FjDqBZpd69oF62s96bmkAq NGS2GOPmONzJQTLQ3qhNIUiia46zb/upu+zIS1bzAr+aZ+3Qk3k8YSzFREPUG601vYzj 1c4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530QfQ+QWgJIMKd9icMT13toHgyXX7AU7dWWHxIjdRijP6JgnzXk 3aUXUQxs9KDFMXcLCiaAl9SI+dO64FnhmIDw9bO75Jji X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJywnXCD9oOUu9T0wHuEQJxUBW9wpglkndcRmj3zrE3VKaDvs9P/X+SFD2J70WOO/oyO4CbekfKOv/N2TMQSEso= X-Received: by 2002:a67:be0b:0:b0:32c:d82f:6723 with SMTP id x11-20020a67be0b000000b0032cd82f6723mr7606697vsq.67.1652089989321; Mon, 09 May 2022 02:53:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <CAJ1MqVGC-CeJoP+URKKf4ceqLx6rMYFzJrL-hJbCfouQ-=csyw@HIDDEN> <8735hlnypl.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJ1MqVHXNAdwPJCk3MwsMZbE0hqZzh+TOjvFAH4Vcz+DCde2Ug@HIDDEN> <87pmkojlg7.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJ1MqVGNXQ154Gu36_cPjSWFownmurESQ4bDHHhEchENXYCg2A@HIDDEN> <87pmkncank.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87pmkncank.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 10:52:58 +0100 Message-ID: <CAJ1MqVEWD5ZB_ocvYOPfz-0kMUb3-YRjX_jSLT_S2-=zZ=_S-Q@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor mode keymap To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55301 Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) How about ":type '(alist :key-type key-sequence :value-type function)"? On Mon, 9 May 2022 at 10:34, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> wrote: > > Phil Hudson <phil.hudson@HIDDEN> writes: > > > What I am proposing is something along the lines of this: when a mode > > (major or minor, it's strictly irrelevant) declares a keymap, part of > > the processing of the expansion of the mode definition should include > > a defcustom enabling the user to customize that keymap using the > > Customize UI, rather than (only) by writing elisp code. In other > > words, where foo-mode-map is currently implemented (I assume) using a > > defvar, that should change to a defcustom. That's really all I'm > > suggesting: change the defvar (or whatever) to a defcustom. > > Emacs doesn't have a Customize UI to alter keymaps, so changing defvars > to defcustom isn't currently useful (because there's no :type that > could be used other than `sexp'). > > It would be possible to create such an UI, of course, but it would work > quite differently than all other Customize widgets. I don't think > anybody wants to have the entire definitions of keymaps in their .emacs > files -- they want to add a keystroke or remove a keystroke or two, and > that's it. (And, besides, they want to get new keystrokes that are > added to the maps.) > > But it'd be nice to have; sure. > > -- > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 55301) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2022 09:34:20 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 09 05:34:20 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56094 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1nnzmW-0002Vc-5H for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2022 05:34:20 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:39706) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1nnzmU-0002V4-1b for 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2022 05:34:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=1Ad5bUa+yd3tEB4oxot9LCXHQW1eYYDZwBevcz+n4a0=; b=Bq9JKvjd1bCK5B9c3E6BtcNIJ/ tZe62Cowuwj9Vu8s451xChuF2lHuG7jqQp95rlPg0rDxDSTl2gjF0g7buCTV0ruJNpS+KiiPbQXNV X7hrEh3OR9LzeS3NU0gidaSsnCQ0069Ri2miSaUfMR/ZDvY3qRLeXR8VNikuU08dHPE4=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1nnzmL-0003zt-2q; Mon, 09 May 2022 11:34:11 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor mode keymap References: <CAJ1MqVGC-CeJoP+URKKf4ceqLx6rMYFzJrL-hJbCfouQ-=csyw@HIDDEN> <8735hlnypl.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJ1MqVHXNAdwPJCk3MwsMZbE0hqZzh+TOjvFAH4Vcz+DCde2Ug@HIDDEN> <87pmkojlg7.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJ1MqVGNXQ154Gu36_cPjSWFownmurESQ4bDHHhEchENXYCg2A@HIDDEN> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEXZcnO+sKni39L2 9etsd4H////mjpy1AAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+YFCQkSKPuxcWMAAAG0SURBVDjLlVTr mdwgDCQdBOEGJNEA0jaAc/3XlBFgw92XP5HX2IsYafRySv8tv/OQ9XjlV1JVdzd3HSse8W6exIZm Ksc+dtUlCTYEu/Fv7ONFzSSp+BbolmmDD/MfEgY06Tr5TcJ5E1EWiOEOZvOQpQrSXzn3D+7rtkXO PcVpB+cAySRt4SYxEyuzs+TMpI9DTWaHc30SoD5ZBY1xhaEZWPIXccAsTL08vokl8X3aTsU/I/fI 7hQb63ajI0AIk+Ci08eJkJ8Ijh+ywg8HtTSOcu1sdiBQqDZM1BtE6FVEoaZz7sIWWV5kgeCFsABs hG+EHqbMtymlQVd95XnFUTuWhQg/oo/itgz39Jp6fAwEMLskCPDrlV3yKNShOCIfpkj804t5zju7 GINK3Ap8cMm0GzyS2Mjpc9ufpsHqGZYkrNr40/Nt5ZJVdgmFFapeu3qz8rbMyK42LQiwtGKku4IN GvKG7HZq9KQw0l6ICl+3V21FxjjNUUN/AHPdVY0LH3RhioQ5anfNJGKWo9tZHRbMLAwdPQpWTCgE X9yNeIzBkGREu+EKjvL8mKQop8YHAeOqUD+Kv6HCuLBZHCH4AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAy MDIyLTA1LTA5VDA5OjE4OjQwKzAwOjAwELu3MAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMi0wNS0w OVQwOToxODo0MCswMDowMGHmD4wAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Blaine L. Reininger & Alain Goutier's _Paris en Autumne_: "Burn Like Rome" Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 11:34:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <CAJ1MqVGNXQ154Gu36_cPjSWFownmurESQ4bDHHhEchENXYCg2A@HIDDEN> (Phil Hudson's message of "Sun, 8 May 2022 14:47:57 +0100") Message-ID: <87pmkncank.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson@HIDDEN> writes: > What I am proposing is something along the lines of this: when a mode > (major or minor, it's strictly irrelevant) declares a keymap, part of > the processing of the expansion of the mode definition [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55301 Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Phil Hudson <phil.hudson@HIDDEN> writes: > What I am proposing is something along the lines of this: when a mode > (major or minor, it's strictly irrelevant) declares a keymap, part of > the processing of the expansion of the mode definition should include > a defcustom enabling the user to customize that keymap using the > Customize UI, rather than (only) by writing elisp code. In other > words, where foo-mode-map is currently implemented (I assume) using a > defvar, that should change to a defcustom. That's really all I'm > suggesting: change the defvar (or whatever) to a defcustom. Emacs doesn't have a Customize UI to alter keymaps, so changing defvars to defcustom isn't currently useful (because there's no :type that could be used other than `sexp'). It would be possible to create such an UI, of course, but it would work quite differently than all other Customize widgets. I don't think anybody wants to have the entire definitions of keymaps in their .emacs files -- they want to add a keystroke or remove a keystroke or two, and that's it. (And, besides, they want to get new keystrokes that are added to the maps.) But it'd be nice to have; sure. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 55301) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 May 2022 13:48:16 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 08 09:48:16 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53755 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1nnhGi-0002Kq-4V for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2022 09:48:16 -0400 Received: from mail-vs1-f45.google.com ([209.85.217.45]:37446) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <philhudsonster@HIDDEN>) id 1nnhGg-0002KJ-61 for 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2022 09:48:15 -0400 Received: by mail-vs1-f45.google.com with SMTP id t85so11532730vst.4 for <55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 08 May 2022 06:48:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wtIFDIB7LDofj1zUnPBqhwUtVtWpZBm3gzdolcTbvEk=; b=S0+In6UkNkkYkEwZnDzdqF9FIBAf3K2oIqNj7UESLDshhObsGaH1GN+euap9uxGK4u 8VL3vV6o0DyjHmBMGjTC6LsEj6SUONl676YTlyJpNqxbRIftc3CKkJ2sO/RH/cUVBEDM g8BHx1FUAiCBjczpRrsX5zvtD1J4rAfZD1EVp2uI2wti0m7l+KIJPcu97ch6T5AOkwZs +G6IVlcTaSKnlAv+ptopz8wAzg4OPu+wf1G6gn9jlB77kOeCyZvGl3YBttVgTbnVtJ5R VZm3y6jKPRd1SfLUI6BgHd+RfHikY2WFECzijvsRT2N47SRGLzXeeTq4G/gstBdK+YbG gwRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5302Uzx2pIyZ6rk6789cwbtov+zbw8/2S4+gghcTXHgI6mR3Ek5d 9sNhQN+NKN/aw+JeaoS04rCxUYrC2b0btAEzSBls/Ixo X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwAtM7XKX0wDE1Sit68+L6Sg4IfpNp2iIFwebcLkTMfsyGWwGX228cRg/tUhD9/xXkU7uwcb0GvsKJ4DsboejE= X-Received: by 2002:a67:be0b:0:b0:32c:d82f:6723 with SMTP id x11-20020a67be0b000000b0032cd82f6723mr6254697vsq.67.1652017688311; Sun, 08 May 2022 06:48:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <CAJ1MqVGC-CeJoP+URKKf4ceqLx6rMYFzJrL-hJbCfouQ-=csyw@HIDDEN> <8735hlnypl.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJ1MqVHXNAdwPJCk3MwsMZbE0hqZzh+TOjvFAH4Vcz+DCde2Ug@HIDDEN> <87pmkojlg7.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87pmkojlg7.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 14:47:57 +0100 Message-ID: <CAJ1MqVGNXQ154Gu36_cPjSWFownmurESQ4bDHHhEchENXYCg2A@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor mode keymap To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55301 Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Not a built-in one, no, but it is not difficult to construct a composite defcustom. There are plenty of sequence types and a keybinding type to compose with. Perhaps Emacs *should* have a standard built-in keymap defcustom type, but that would be the subject for a separate RFE. What I am proposing is something along the lines of this: when a mode (major or minor, it's strictly irrelevant) declares a keymap, part of the processing of the expansion of the mode definition should include a defcustom enabling the user to customize that keymap using the Customize UI, rather than (only) by writing elisp code. In other words, where foo-mode-map is currently implemented (I assume) using a defvar, that should change to a defcustom. That's really all I'm suggesting: change the defvar (or whatever) to a defcustom. On Sun, 8 May 2022 at 12:46, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> wrote: > > Phil Hudson <phil.hudson@HIDDEN> writes: > > > If nobody sees any benefit from the idea, I imagine the best thing is > > to just close this. > > I just don't understand the request -- we don't have a Customize > interface for altering keymaps anyway. > > -- > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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