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Subject: bug#57201: 29.0.50; Input method doesn't work in Term char mode
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In Term, input method doesn't work in char mode.  However, it works fine
in line mode.  I think it has something to do with read-only-ness.


To reproduce the bug:

1. Start Emacs with "emacs -Q".
2. Run Term with "M-x term RET"
3. Switch to line mode with "C-c C-j".  The buffer is writable now.
4. Change input method with "C-\".  (I have tested with
   programmer-dvorak and bengali-probhat.)
5. Try to write something.  Input method should work.
6. Switch to char mode with "C-c C-k".  The buffer is read-only now.
7. Try to write something again.  Input method no longer works.

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On 2022-08-14 20:33, Akib Azmain Turja wrote:
> In Term, input method doesn't work in char mode.

I don't think it's expected to work?

The purpose of char mode is to immediately send each keystroke
to the inferior process, and then let the process provide updates
to the buffer.

Input methods rely on keystrokes being intercepted and combined,
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> On 2022-08-14 20:33, Akib Azmain Turja wrote:
>> In Term, input method doesn't work in char mode.
>
> I don't think it's expected to work?
>
> The purpose of char mode is to immediately send each keystroke
> to the inferior process, and then let the process provide updates
> to the buffer.
>
> Input methods rely on keystrokes being intercepted and combined,
> so I suspect the two things are incompatible.
>
>

I don't think so.  How can you input characters not on the keyboard in
Term char mode then?  And if it's really expected, please add an user
option to configure it.

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> I don't think so.  How can you input characters not on the keyboard
> in Term char mode then?

It's emulating a terminal.  In char mode you can't input *keys* that
are not on the keyboard of the terminal being emulated.  That's the
point of the emulation -- it's behaving as if you were using a real
terminal rather than Emacs.

We can switch to line mode when we want to use Emacs features that are
not supported by the terminal.


> And if it's really expected, please add an user option to configure
> it.

A user option to configure... what?

Do you mean an option which would *allow* using input methods in char
mode?  As above, I don't believe that makes any sense as a concept,
so I don't see how that could work.

(Perhaps someone else will correct me, though.)

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Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> writes:

> Akib Azmain Turja wrote:
>> I don't think so.  How can you input characters not on the keyboard
>> in Term char mode then?
>
> It's emulating a terminal.  In char mode you can't input *keys* that
> are not on the keyboard of the terminal being emulated.  That's the
> point of the emulation -- it's behaving as if you were using a real
> terminal rather than Emacs.
>
> We can switch to line mode when we want to use Emacs features that are
> not supported by the terminal.
>
>
>> And if it's really expected, please add an user option to configure
>> it.
>
> A user option to configure... what?
>
> Do you mean an option which would *allow* using input methods in char
> mode?  As above, I don't believe that makes any sense as a concept,
> so I don't see how that could work.
>
> (Perhaps someone else will correct me, though.)
>

Why it doesn't make sense?  IMHO the point of char mode is to bypass key
bindings like C-x, C-c, etc.  And if one wants to not use any input
method, they can disable it with "C-\".

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Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> writes:

> Do you mean an option which would *allow* using input methods in char
> mode?  As above, I don't believe that makes any sense as a concept,
> so I don't see how that could work.

I think it could make some sort of sense -- in a normal terminal
(outside Emacs, like xterm), you usually have access to the OS input
methods, even though the terminal is in "char mode".

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