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Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> writes:
> Akib Azmain Turja wrote:
>> I don't think so. How can you input characters not on the keyboard
>> in Term char mode then?
>
> It's emulating a terminal. In char mode you can't input *keys* that
> are not on the keyboard of the terminal being emulated. That's the
> point of the emulation -- it's behaving as if you were using a real
> terminal rather than Emacs.
>
> We can switch to line mode when we want to use Emacs features that are
> not supported by the terminal.
>
>
>> And if it's really expected, please add an user option to configure
>> it.
>
> A user option to configure... what?
>
> Do you mean an option which would *allow* using input methods in char
> mode? As above, I don't believe that makes any sense as a concept,
> so I don't see how that could work.
>
> (Perhaps someone else will correct me, though.)
>
Why it doesn't make sense? IMHO the point of char mode is to bypass key
bindings like C-x, C-c, etc. And if one wants to not use any input
method, they can disable it with "C-\".
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Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> writes:
> On 2022-08-14 20:33, Akib Azmain Turja wrote:
>> In Term, input method doesn't work in char mode.
>
> I don't think it's expected to work?
>
> The purpose of char mode is to immediately send each keystroke
> to the inferior process, and then let the process provide updates
> to the buffer.
>
> Input methods rely on keystrokes being intercepted and combined,
> so I suspect the two things are incompatible.
>
>
I don't think so. How can you input characters not on the keyboard in
Term char mode then? And if it's really expected, please add an user
option to configure it.
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In Term, input method doesn't work in char mode. However, it works fine
in line mode. I think it has something to do with read-only-ness.
To reproduce the bug:
1. Start Emacs with "emacs -Q".
2. Run Term with "M-x term RET"
3. Switch to line mode with "C-c C-j". The buffer is writable now.
4. Change input method with "C-\". (I have tested with
programmer-dvorak and bengali-probhat.)
5. Try to write something. Input method should work.
6. Switch to char mode with "C-c C-k". The buffer is read-only now.
7. Try to write something again. Input method no longer works.
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