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I'm regularly seeing what I type getting garbled when I'm typing a
message in mail-mode. I'm not sure that it's mail mode that is
responsible but that's where I'm doing most typing these days. At first
I thought it was age and lack of coordination but I think that's
unlikely.

Typically I'm seeing characters not appearing and then the buffered
text appears all at once in a randomised 'wodge'. I've just this morning typed
Matt and ttaM appeared on the screen, I don't think I'd have pressed
the shift key in such a wildly incorrect place.  Another example - "to
discuss?" came out as "tsis?d oucs" (without the quotes)

Typically none of *this* message came out garbled but it's a more or less daily
event.

C-h l probably needs checking next time if there's no other obvious causes.

Robert


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Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:

> I'm regularly seeing what I type getting garbled when I'm typing a
> message in mail-mode. I'm not sure that it's mail mode that is
> responsible but that's where I'm doing most typing these days. At first
> I thought it was age and lack of coordination but I think that's
> unlikely.
>
> Typically I'm seeing characters not appearing and then the buffered
> text appears all at once in a randomised 'wodge'. I've just this morning typed
> Matt and ttaM appeared on the screen, I don't think I'd have pressed
> the shift key in such a wildly incorrect place.  Another example - "to
> discuss?" came out as "tsis?d oucs" (without the quotes)
>
> Typically none of *this* message came out garbled but it's a more or less daily
> event.

Is Emacs otherwise responsive to non-keyboard input during the wedge
preceeding the ``wodge''?  One way to find out is to see if a relief
appears on tool bar buttons if you move your mouse over them during that
period.

Thanks.

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Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:

> Typically I'm seeing characters not appearing and then the buffered
> text appears all at once in a randomised 'wodge'. I've just this morning typed
> Matt and ttaM appeared on the screen, I don't think I'd have pressed
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> discuss?" came out as "tsis?d oucs" (without the quotes)

Is this with a graphical Emacs or in a terminal?

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Lars Ingebrigtsen writes:
 > Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:
 > 
 > > Typically I'm seeing characters not appearing and then the buffered
 > > text appears all at once in a randomised 'wodge'. I've just this morning typed
 > > Matt and ttaM appeared on the screen, I don't think I'd have pressed
 > > the shift key in such a wildly incorrect place.  Another example - "to
 > > discuss?" came out as "tsis?d oucs" (without the quotes)
 > 
 > Is this with a graphical Emacs or in a terminal?
 > 

This is with graphical emacs - not managed to provoke a repeat of the garbling
yet, will respond to Po Lu's qn then!

Robert

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Po Lu writes:
 > Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:
 > 
 > > I'm regularly seeing what I type getting garbled when I'm typing a
 > > message in mail-mode. I'm not sure that it's mail mode that is
 > > responsible but that's where I'm doing most typing these days. At first
 > > I thought it was age and lack of coordination but I think that's
 > > unlikely.
 > >
 > > Typically I'm seeing characters not appearing and then the buffered
 > > text appears all at once in a randomised 'wodge'. I've just this morning typed
 > > Matt and ttaM appeared on the screen, I don't think I'd have pressed
 > > the shift key in such a wildly incorrect place.  Another example - "to
 > > discuss?" came out as "tsis?d oucs" (without the quotes)
 > >
 > > Typically none of *this* message came out garbled but it's a more or less daily
 > > event.
 > 
 > Is Emacs otherwise responsive to non-keyboard input during the wedge
 > preceeding the ``wodge''?  One way to find out is to see if a relief
 > appears on tool bar buttons if you move your mouse over them during that
 > period.
 > 

I don't tend to see the scrambling until it's done (: too focussed on
the keyboard! What seems to be the case is that the problem happens
during an auto save - so emacs won't be responsive, when it comes out
of that pause, the letters buffered up appear but not in the correct order. I
have a fairly large INBOX (in vm) that I sometimes don't save for a
bit so auto saving can take a few seconds.

I've just seen it happen in a .tex buffer so it happens in more than
just mail-mode.

Robert

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> Cc: 58135 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 15:44:50 +0000
> From: Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN>
> 
>  > > Typically I'm seeing characters not appearing and then the buffered
>  > > text appears all at once in a randomised 'wodge'. I've just this morning typed
>  > > Matt and ttaM appeared on the screen, I don't think I'd have pressed
>  > > the shift key in such a wildly incorrect place.  Another example - "to
>  > > discuss?" came out as "tsis?d oucs" (without the quotes)
>  > >
>  > > Typically none of *this* message came out garbled but it's a more or less daily
>  > > event.
>  > 
>  > Is Emacs otherwise responsive to non-keyboard input during the wedge
>  > preceeding the ``wodge''?  One way to find out is to see if a relief
>  > appears on tool bar buttons if you move your mouse over them during that
>  > period.
>  > 
> 
> I don't tend to see the scrambling until it's done (: too focussed on
> the keyboard! What seems to be the case is that the problem happens
> during an auto save - so emacs won't be responsive, when it comes out
> of that pause, the letters buffered up appear but not in the correct order. I
> have a fairly large INBOX (in vm) that I sometimes don't save for a
> bit so auto saving can take a few seconds.

Is the wrong order real, or just on display?  IOW, what happens if you
save the buffer to a file -- do you see the wrong order in the file as
well?

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Eli Zaretskii writes:
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 > > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 15:44:50 +0000
 > > From: Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN>
 > > 
 > >  > > Typically I'm seeing characters not appearing and then the buffered
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 > >  > > Matt and ttaM appeared on the screen, I don't think I'd have pressed
 > >  > > the shift key in such a wildly incorrect place.  Another example - "to
 > >  > > discuss?" came out as "tsis?d oucs" (without the quotes)
 > >  > >
 > >  > > Typically none of *this* message came out garbled but it's a more or less daily
 > >  > > event.
 > >  > 
 > >  > Is Emacs otherwise responsive to non-keyboard input during the wedge
 > >  > preceeding the ``wodge''?  One way to find out is to see if a relief
 > >  > appears on tool bar buttons if you move your mouse over them during that
 > >  > period.
 > >  > 
 > > 
 > > I don't tend to see the scrambling until it's done (: too focussed on
 > > the keyboard! What seems to be the case is that the problem happens
 > > during an auto save - so emacs won't be responsive, when it comes out
 > > of that pause, the letters buffered up appear but not in the correct order. I
 > > have a fairly large INBOX (in vm) that I sometimes don't save for a
 > > bit so auto saving can take a few seconds.
 > 
 > Is the wrong order real, or just on display?  IOW, what happens if you
 > save the buffer to a file -- do you see the wrong order in the file as
 > well?
 > 

I saved a buffer containing garbled "r dehsangul ce" - I typed "rules
changed" to a file and the contents of the file were as in the buffer
- so the wrong order was real rather than just being displayed.

Robert

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> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 11:08:59 +0000
> From: Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN>
> Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN,
>     58135 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> 
> Eli Zaretskii writes:
>  > Is the wrong order real, or just on display?  IOW, what happens if you
>  > save the buffer to a file -- do you see the wrong order in the file as
>  > well?
>  > 
> 
> I saved a buffer containing garbled "r dehsangul ce" - I typed "rules
> changed" to a file and the contents of the file were as in the buffer
> - so the wrong order was real rather than just being displayed.

That would mean something really changes the input events that Emacs
receives.  Does "C-h l" after this happens indeed shows the characters
in the wrong order?

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

>> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 11:08:59 +0000
>> From: Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN,
>>     58135 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> 
>> 
>> Eli Zaretskii writes:
>>  > Is the wrong order real, or just on display?  IOW, what happens if you
>>  > save the buffer to a file -- do you see the wrong order in the file as
>>  > well?
>>  > 
>> 
>> I saved a buffer containing garbled "r dehsangul ce" - I typed "rules
>> changed" to a file and the contents of the file were as in the buffer
>> - so the wrong order was real rather than just being displayed.
>
> That would mean something really changes the input events that Emacs
> receives.  Does "C-h l" after this happens indeed shows the characters
> in the wrong order?

And if it does, would you please try turning off input method support,
by running Emacs like so:

  emacs (other options here) -xrm 'Emacs.useXIM: off'

the extra layers of indirection involved in ferrying events to and fro
the input method may be causing this problem, and narrowing it down to
the input method would make it easier to debug.

Thanks.

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Po Lu writes:
 > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
 > 
 > >> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 11:08:59 +0000
 > >> From: Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN>
 > >> Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN,
 > >>     58135 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
 > >> 
 > >> 
 > >> Eli Zaretskii writes:
 > >>  > Is the wrong order real, or just on display?  IOW, what happens if you
 > >>  > save the buffer to a file -- do you see the wrong order in the file as
 > >>  > well?
 > >>  > 
 > >> 
 > >> I saved a buffer containing garbled "r dehsangul ce" - I typed "rules
 > >> changed" to a file and the contents of the file were as in the buffer
 > >> - so the wrong order was real rather than just being displayed.
 > >
 > > That would mean something really changes the input events that Emacs
 > > receives.  Does "C-h l" after this happens indeed shows the characters
 > > in the wrong order?

That's correct - view-lossage gives the garbled version

> 
 > And if it does, would you please try turning off input method support,
 > by running Emacs like so:
 > 
 >   emacs (other options here) -xrm 'Emacs.useXIM: off'
 > 
 > the extra layers of indirection involved in ferrying events to and fro
 > the input method may be causing this problem, and narrowing it down to
 > the input method would make it easier to debug.

Is that likely to cause the problem to disappear, the issue is only
seen c every 4-5 days so if I don't see it in say 2 weeks I should
report back to that effect?

Robert

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Po Lu writes:
 > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
 > 
 > >> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 11:08:59 +0000
 > >> From: Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN>
 > >> Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN,
 > >>     58135 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
 > >> 
 > >> 
 > >> Eli Zaretskii writes:
 > >>  > Is the wrong order real, or just on display?  IOW, what happens if you
 > >>  > save the buffer to a file -- do you see the wrong order in the file as
 > >>  > well?
 > >>  > 
 > >> 
 > >> I saved a buffer containing garbled "r dehsangul ce" - I typed "rules
 > >> changed" to a file and the contents of the file were as in the buffer
 > >> - so the wrong order was real rather than just being displayed.
 > >
 > > That would mean something really changes the input events that Emacs
 > > receives.  Does "C-h l" after this happens indeed shows the characters
 > > in the wrong order?
 > 
 > And if it does, would you please try turning off input method support,
 > by running Emacs like so:
 > 
 >   emacs (other options here) -xrm 'Emacs.useXIM: off'
 > 
 > the extra layers of indirection involved in ferrying events to and fro
 > the input method may be causing this problem, and narrowing it down to
 > the input method would make it easier to debug.

I've run emacs with those options for 2+ weeks now and am yet to
see the problem occurring, so that appears to avoid the problem.

Robert

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Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:

> I've run emacs with those options for 2+ weeks now and am yet to
> see the problem occurring, so that appears to avoid the problem.

Right.  I've forgotten whether or not I've asked this before, so here
goes nothing.  What input method/framework do you use?

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Po Lu writes:
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 > > I've run emacs with those options for 2+ weeks now and am yet to
 > > see the problem occurring, so that appears to avoid the problem.
 > 
 > Right.  I've forgotten whether or not I've asked this before, so here
 > goes nothing.  What input method/framework do you use?
 > 

C-h C-\ gives me no input method is activated now - and I wasn't aware of setting one

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Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:

> Po Lu writes:
>  > Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:
>  > 
>  > > I've run emacs with those options for 2+ weeks now and am yet to
>  > > see the problem occurring, so that appears to avoid the problem.
>  > 
>  > Right.  I've forgotten whether or not I've asked this before, so here
>  > goes nothing.  What input method/framework do you use?
>  > 
>
> C-h C-\ gives me no input method is activated now - and I wasn't aware of setting one
>
> Robert

No, I meant on your system.  xcin or kinput2 would be examples of such
input method frameworks, and so would I-Bus.

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Po Lu writes:
 > Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:
 > 
 > > Po Lu writes:
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 > >  > 
 > >  > > I've run emacs with those options for 2+ weeks now and am yet to
 > >  > > see the problem occurring, so that appears to avoid the problem.
 > >  > 
 > >  > Right.  I've forgotten whether or not I've asked this before, so here
 > >  > goes nothing.  What input method/framework do you use?
 > >  > 
 > >
 > > C-h C-\ gives me no input method is activated now - and I wasn't aware of setting one
 > >
 > > Robert
 > 
 > No, I meant on your system.  xcin or kinput2 would be examples of such
 > input method frameworks, and so would I-Bus.
 > 

Ah, I'm running from within kde/plasma (in an ubuntu install) and have
ibus

Robert

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Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:

> Ah, I'm running from within kde/plasma (in an ubuntu install) and have
> ibus

Hmmm.  I don't see that with I-Bus here...  Did you try updating it to a
newer version?

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Po Lu writes:
 > Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:
 > 
 > > Ah, I'm running from within kde/plasma (in an ubuntu install) and have
 > > ibus
 > 
 > Hmmm.  I don't see that with I-Bus here...  Did you try updating it to a
 > newer version?
 > 

ibus version gives me
IBus 1.5.26

which appears pretty recent, I'm on ubuntu 22.04 - the problem also
was present on ubuntu 21.10 which I guess was an earlier
version (or ibus). There needs to be a 2 or 3 second break for emacs to auto
save for the problem to appear - at least for me!

Robert

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Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:

> Oops, didn't reply to all recipients, resending..
>
> Po Lu writes:
>  > Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:
>  > 
>  > > Ah, I'm running from within kde/plasma (in an ubuntu install) and have
>  > > ibus
>  > 
>  > Hmmm.  I don't see that with I-Bus here...  Did you try updating it to a
>  > newer version?
>  > 
>
> ibus version gives me
> IBus 1.5.26
>
> which appears pretty recent, I'm on ubuntu 22.04 - the problem also
> was present on ubuntu 21.10 which I guess was an earlier
> version (or ibus). There needs to be a 2 or 3 second break for emacs to auto
> save for the problem to appear - at least for me!
>
> Robert

Thanks.  I'm really lost here; if you set `x-gtk-use-native-input' to a
non-nil value, does the problem persist?  If so, it's likely a problem
with I-Bus, as that will make Emacs use I-Bus through an entirely
different interface.

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