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29.0.50; Typing getting garbled in mail-mode

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Package: emacs; Reported by: Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN>; Keywords: moreinfo; dated Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:02:02 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.

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To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#58135: 29.0.50; Typing getting garbled in mail-mode
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

>> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 11:08:59 +0000
>> From: Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN,
>>     58135 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> 
>> 
>> Eli Zaretskii writes:
>>  > Is the wrong order real, or just on display?  IOW, what happens if you
>>  > save the buffer to a file -- do you see the wrong order in the file as
>>  > well?
>>  > 
>> 
>> I saved a buffer containing garbled "r dehsangul ce" - I typed "rules
>> changed" to a file and the contents of the file were as in the buffer
>> - so the wrong order was real rather than just being displayed.
>
> That would mean something really changes the input events that Emacs
> receives.  Does "C-h l" after this happens indeed shows the characters
> in the wrong order?

And if it does, would you please try turning off input method support,
by running Emacs like so:

  emacs (other options here) -xrm 'Emacs.useXIM: off'

the extra layers of indirection involved in ferrying events to and fro
the input method may be causing this problem, and narrowing it down to
the input method would make it easier to debug.

Thanks.




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> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 11:08:59 +0000
> From: Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN>
> Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN,
>     58135 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> 
> Eli Zaretskii writes:
>  > Is the wrong order real, or just on display?  IOW, what happens if you
>  > save the buffer to a file -- do you see the wrong order in the file as
>  > well?
>  > 
> 
> I saved a buffer containing garbled "r dehsangul ce" - I typed "rules
> changed" to a file and the contents of the file were as in the buffer
> - so the wrong order was real rather than just being displayed.

That would mean something really changes the input events that Emacs
receives.  Does "C-h l" after this happens indeed shows the characters
in the wrong order?




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Eli Zaretskii writes:
 > > Cc: 58135 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
 > > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 15:44:50 +0000
 > > From: Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN>
 > > 
 > >  > > Typically I'm seeing characters not appearing and then the buffered
 > >  > > text appears all at once in a randomised 'wodge'. I've just this morning typed
 > >  > > Matt and ttaM appeared on the screen, I don't think I'd have pressed
 > >  > > the shift key in such a wildly incorrect place.  Another example - "to
 > >  > > discuss?" came out as "tsis?d oucs" (without the quotes)
 > >  > >
 > >  > > Typically none of *this* message came out garbled but it's a more or less daily
 > >  > > event.
 > >  > 
 > >  > Is Emacs otherwise responsive to non-keyboard input during the wedge
 > >  > preceeding the ``wodge''?  One way to find out is to see if a relief
 > >  > appears on tool bar buttons if you move your mouse over them during that
 > >  > period.
 > >  > 
 > > 
 > > I don't tend to see the scrambling until it's done (: too focussed on
 > > the keyboard! What seems to be the case is that the problem happens
 > > during an auto save - so emacs won't be responsive, when it comes out
 > > of that pause, the letters buffered up appear but not in the correct order. I
 > > have a fairly large INBOX (in vm) that I sometimes don't save for a
 > > bit so auto saving can take a few seconds.
 > 
 > Is the wrong order real, or just on display?  IOW, what happens if you
 > save the buffer to a file -- do you see the wrong order in the file as
 > well?
 > 

I saved a buffer containing garbled "r dehsangul ce" - I typed "rules
changed" to a file and the contents of the file were as in the buffer
- so the wrong order was real rather than just being displayed.

Robert




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> Cc: 58135 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 15:44:50 +0000
> From: Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN>
> 
>  > > Typically I'm seeing characters not appearing and then the buffered
>  > > text appears all at once in a randomised 'wodge'. I've just this morning typed
>  > > Matt and ttaM appeared on the screen, I don't think I'd have pressed
>  > > the shift key in such a wildly incorrect place.  Another example - "to
>  > > discuss?" came out as "tsis?d oucs" (without the quotes)
>  > >
>  > > Typically none of *this* message came out garbled but it's a more or less daily
>  > > event.
>  > 
>  > Is Emacs otherwise responsive to non-keyboard input during the wedge
>  > preceeding the ``wodge''?  One way to find out is to see if a relief
>  > appears on tool bar buttons if you move your mouse over them during that
>  > period.
>  > 
> 
> I don't tend to see the scrambling until it's done (: too focussed on
> the keyboard! What seems to be the case is that the problem happens
> during an auto save - so emacs won't be responsive, when it comes out
> of that pause, the letters buffered up appear but not in the correct order. I
> have a fairly large INBOX (in vm) that I sometimes don't save for a
> bit so auto saving can take a few seconds.

Is the wrong order real, or just on display?  IOW, what happens if you
save the buffer to a file -- do you see the wrong order in the file as
well?




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Po Lu writes:
 > Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:
 > 
 > > I'm regularly seeing what I type getting garbled when I'm typing a
 > > message in mail-mode. I'm not sure that it's mail mode that is
 > > responsible but that's where I'm doing most typing these days. At first
 > > I thought it was age and lack of coordination but I think that's
 > > unlikely.
 > >
 > > Typically I'm seeing characters not appearing and then the buffered
 > > text appears all at once in a randomised 'wodge'. I've just this morning typed
 > > Matt and ttaM appeared on the screen, I don't think I'd have pressed
 > > the shift key in such a wildly incorrect place.  Another example - "to
 > > discuss?" came out as "tsis?d oucs" (without the quotes)
 > >
 > > Typically none of *this* message came out garbled but it's a more or less daily
 > > event.
 > 
 > Is Emacs otherwise responsive to non-keyboard input during the wedge
 > preceeding the ``wodge''?  One way to find out is to see if a relief
 > appears on tool bar buttons if you move your mouse over them during that
 > period.
 > 

I don't tend to see the scrambling until it's done (: too focussed on
the keyboard! What seems to be the case is that the problem happens
during an auto save - so emacs won't be responsive, when it comes out
of that pause, the letters buffered up appear but not in the correct order. I
have a fairly large INBOX (in vm) that I sometimes don't save for a
bit so auto saving can take a few seconds.

I've just seen it happen in a .tex buffer so it happens in more than
just mail-mode.

Robert




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Lars Ingebrigtsen writes:
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 > Is this with a graphical Emacs or in a terminal?
 > 

This is with graphical emacs - not managed to provoke a repeat of the garbling
yet, will respond to Po Lu's qn then!

Robert




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Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:

> Typically I'm seeing characters not appearing and then the buffered
> text appears all at once in a randomised 'wodge'. I've just this morning typed
> Matt and ttaM appeared on the screen, I don't think I'd have pressed
> the shift key in such a wildly incorrect place.  Another example - "to
> discuss?" came out as "tsis?d oucs" (without the quotes)

Is this with a graphical Emacs or in a terminal?




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Subject: Re: bug#58135: 29.0.50; Typing getting garbled in mail-mode
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Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN> writes:

> I'm regularly seeing what I type getting garbled when I'm typing a
> message in mail-mode. I'm not sure that it's mail mode that is
> responsible but that's where I'm doing most typing these days. At first
> I thought it was age and lack of coordination but I think that's
> unlikely.
>
> Typically I'm seeing characters not appearing and then the buffered
> text appears all at once in a randomised 'wodge'. I've just this morning typed
> Matt and ttaM appeared on the screen, I don't think I'd have pressed
> the shift key in such a wildly incorrect place.  Another example - "to
> discuss?" came out as "tsis?d oucs" (without the quotes)
>
> Typically none of *this* message came out garbled but it's a more or less daily
> event.

Is Emacs otherwise responsive to non-keyboard input during the wedge
preceeding the ``wodge''?  One way to find out is to see if a relief
appears on tool bar buttons if you move your mouse over them during that
period.

Thanks.




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I'm regularly seeing what I type getting garbled when I'm typing a
message in mail-mode. I'm not sure that it's mail mode that is
responsible but that's where I'm doing most typing these days. At first
I thought it was age and lack of coordination but I think that's
unlikely.

Typically I'm seeing characters not appearing and then the buffered
text appears all at once in a randomised 'wodge'. I've just this morning typed
Matt and ttaM appeared on the screen, I don't think I'd have pressed
the shift key in such a wildly incorrect place.  Another example - "to
discuss?" came out as "tsis?d oucs" (without the quotes)

Typically none of *this* message came out garbled but it's a more or less daily
event.

C-h l probably needs checking next time if there's no other obvious causes.

Robert


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 (vector-slots 8 3501871 289210)
 (floats 8 1190 868)
 (intervals 56 164722 672)
 (buffers 992 72))




Acknowledgement sent to Robert Marshall <robert@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#58135; Package emacs. Full text available.
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