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28.2; Undocumented `intern-soft` feature with shorthands symbols

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Subject: Re: bug#59082: 28.2; Undocumented `intern-soft` feature with
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On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 17:49 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:

> > From: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora <joaotavora@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 17:18:57 +0000
> > Cc: thievol@HIDDEN, 59082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > Of course. And for blue the programmer
>

Sorry, it probably didn't help that this "for blue" slipped in when typing
on my phone.

> If the docstring reader is ever enhanced, then maybe programmers can
> refer to symbols there using
> > shorthands. Until then, shorthands are Lisp-only.
>
> I don't understand this response.  Are you saying that the problem
> doesn't exist, or are you saying that you just don't care?  Or are you
> saying something else?
>

I understand. I'm saying docstrings are outside the functional scope of
shorthands, so you should just use longhand there for now. Same as you must
use in M-x and other "global" contexts. Because shorthands are not new
names for symbols.

But I'm also saying that, perhaps, for the particular case of docstrings,
which are inherently file-local constructs, the "docstring reader",
whenever it lives, could be enhanced to allow shorthands, too. So the
intermediate representation of the  docstring mini-language could
understand that the text x-foo actually references the symbol xeno-foo. And
then C-h f would display the true symbol name as it usually does.

But this would basically be a new feature, not strictly necessary to enable
the things that shorthands are originally designed for. But convenient, for
sure.

Jo=C3=A3o

>

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 17:49 Eli Zaretskii &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">eliz@HIDDEN</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">&gt; From: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1v=
ora &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:joaotavora@HIDDEN" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">joaotavora@HIDDEN</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 17:18:57 +0000<br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:thievol@HIDDEN" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer=
" target=3D"_blank">thievol@HIDDEN</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:59082@debbugs=
.gnu.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">59082@HIDDEN=
.org</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Of course. And for blue the programmer=C2=A0<br></blockquote></div></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Sorry, it probably didn&#3=
9;t help that this &quot;for blue&quot; slipped in when typing on my phone.=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
&gt; If the docstring reader is ever enhanced, then maybe programmers can r=
efer to symbols there using<br>
&gt; shorthands. Until then, shorthands are Lisp-only.<br>
<br>
I don&#39;t understand this response.=C2=A0 Are you saying that the problem=
<br>
doesn&#39;t exist, or are you saying that you just don&#39;t care?=C2=A0 Or=
 are you<br>
saying something else?<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">I understand. I&#39;m saying docstrings are outside t=
he functional scope of shorthands, so you should just use longhand there fo=
r now. Same as you must use in M-x and other &quot;global&quot; contexts. B=
ecause shorthands are not new names for symbols.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">But I&#39;m also saying that, perhaps, for the par=
ticular case of docstrings, which are inherently file-local constructs, the=
 &quot;docstring reader&quot;, whenever it lives, could be enhanced to allo=
w shorthands, too. So the intermediate representation of the=C2=A0 docstrin=
g mini-language could understand that the text x-foo actually references th=
e symbol xeno-foo. And then C-h f would display the true symbol name as it =
usually does.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">But this w=
ould basically be a new feature, not strictly necessary to enable the thing=
s that shorthands are originally designed for. But convenient, for sure.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Jo=C3=A3o</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
</blockquote></div></div></div>

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> From: João Távora <joaotavora@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 17:18:57 +0000
> Cc: thievol@HIDDEN, 59082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Of course. And for blue the programmer should just use the names of the symbols there, as always.
> Shorthands are not the names of symbols, as i keep reminding.
> 
> If the docstring reader is ever enhanced, then maybe programmers can refer to symbols there using
> shorthands. Until then, shorthands are Lisp-only.

I don't understand this response.  Are you saying that the problem
doesn't exist, or are you saying that you just don't care?  Or are you
saying something else?
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Of course. And for blue the programmer should just use the names of the
symbols there, as always. Shorthands are not the names of symbols, as i
keep reminding.

If the docstring reader is ever enhanced, then maybe programmers can refer
to symbols there using shorthands. Until then, shorthands are Lisp-only.

On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 17:01 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:

> > From: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora <joaotavora@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:46:51 +0000
> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 59082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > Hmm, not sure we should be using shorthands in docstrings, which aren't
> read by the Lisp reader, but by
> > something else... This is what is at stake, right?
>
> References to functions and variables in doc strings are a matter of
> routine.
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<div dir=3D"auto">Of course. And for blue the programmer should just use th=
e names of the symbols there, as always. Shorthands are not the names of sy=
mbols, as i keep reminding.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If=
 the docstring reader is ever enhanced, then maybe programmers can refer to=
 symbols there using shorthands. Until then, shorthands are Lisp-only.</div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 17:01 Eli Zaretskii &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN=
rg" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">eliz@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">&gt; From: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:joaotavora@HIDDEN" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D=
"_blank">joaotavora@HIDDEN</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:46:51 +0000<br>
&gt; Cc: Eli Zaretskii &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" rel=3D"noreferre=
r noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">eliz@HIDDEN</a>&gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:590=
82 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">59082@d=
ebbugs.gnu.org</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hmm, not sure we should be using shorthands in docstrings, which aren&=
#39;t read by the Lisp reader, but by<br>
&gt; something else... This is what is at stake, right?<br>
<br>
References to functions and variables in doc strings are a matter of<br>
routine.<br>
</blockquote></div>

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> From: João Távora <joaotavora@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:46:51 +0000
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> Hmm, not sure we should be using shorthands in docstrings, which aren't read by the Lisp reader, but by
> something else... This is what is at stake, right?

References to functions and variables in doc strings are a matter of
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We can/should of course document the decision that they aren't supported in
rubbed in the manual though (if we make that decision)...

Jo=C3=A3o

On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 16:46 Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora <joaotavora@HIDDEN> wr=
ote:

> Hmm, not sure we should be using shorthands in docstrings, which aren't
> read by the Lisp reader, but by something else... This is what is at stak=
e,
> right?
>
> Maybe if good reasonable semantics can be found, but not sure.
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 16:20 Thierry Volpiatto <thievol@HIDDEN> wrote:
>
>>
>> Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora <joaotavora@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> > This is a feature of Lisp in general and the correct way to go from
>> > strings to symbols.
>>
>> Great, thanks to confirm.
>>
>> > Curiously, I was pleasantly surprised that much code of key symbol
>> > processing facilities was already using this indirection and
>> > shorthands automatically worked in those facilities because of that.
>>
>> `substitute-command-keys` at least doesn't handle this.
>>
>> Say you have the file foo.el with
>> `read-symbol-shorthands` =3D=3D (("f-" . "foo-")) and containing definit=
ions
>> like `f-dothis`, `f-dothat` etc... and a var `f-help-string` containing
>> string like
>> "\<f-map>\[f-dothis]: Description", if you define a function `f-help`
>> containing (substitute-command-keys f-help-string) it will fail
>> complaining `f-dothis` is void.
>>
>> --
>> Thierry
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">We can/should of course document the decision that they a=
ren&#39;t supported in rubbed in the manual though (if we make that decisio=
n)...<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Jo=C3=A3o</div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, N=
ov 12, 2022, 16:46 Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:joaotavora@g=
mail.com">joaotavora@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Hmm, not sure we should be using shorthands in=
 docstrings, which aren&#39;t read by the Lisp reader, but by something els=
e... This is what is at stake, right?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Maybe if good reasonable semantics can be found, but not sure.</d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 16:20 Thierry Volpiatto &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thie=
vol@HIDDEN" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">thievol@pos=
teo.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:joaotavora@HIDDEN" rel=3D"no=
referrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">joaotavora@HIDDEN</a>&=
gt; writes:<br>
<br>
&gt; This is a feature of Lisp in general and the correct way to go from<br=
>
&gt; strings to symbols.<br>
<br>
Great, thanks to confirm.<br>
<br>
&gt; Curiously, I was pleasantly surprised that much code of key symbol<br>
&gt; processing facilities was already using this indirection and<br>
&gt; shorthands automatically worked in those facilities because of that.<b=
r>
<br>
`substitute-command-keys` at least doesn&#39;t handle this.<br>
<br>
Say you have the file foo.el with <br>
`read-symbol-shorthands` =3D=3D ((&quot;f-&quot; . &quot;foo-&quot;)) and c=
ontaining definitions<br>
like `f-dothis`, `f-dothat` etc... and a var `f-help-string` containing str=
ing like<br>
&quot;\&lt;f-map&gt;\[f-dothis]: Description&quot;, if you define a functio=
n `f-help`<br>
containing (substitute-command-keys f-help-string) it will fail<br>
complaining `f-dothis` is void.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Thierry<br>
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Hmm, not sure we should be using shorthands in docstrings, which aren't
read by the Lisp reader, but by something else... This is what is at stake,
right?

Maybe if good reasonable semantics can be found, but not sure.

On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 16:20 Thierry Volpiatto <thievol@HIDDEN> wrote:

>
> Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora <joaotavora@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> > This is a feature of Lisp in general and the correct way to go from
> > strings to symbols.
>
> Great, thanks to confirm.
>
> > Curiously, I was pleasantly surprised that much code of key symbol
> > processing facilities was already using this indirection and
> > shorthands automatically worked in those facilities because of that.
>
> `substitute-command-keys` at least doesn't handle this.
>
> Say you have the file foo.el with
> `read-symbol-shorthands` =3D=3D (("f-" . "foo-")) and containing definiti=
ons
> like `f-dothis`, `f-dothat` etc... and a var `f-help-string` containing
> string like
> "\<f-map>\[f-dothis]: Description", if you define a function `f-help`
> containing (substitute-command-keys f-help-string) it will fail
> complaining `f-dothis` is void.
>
> --
> Thierry
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Hmm, not sure we should be using shorthands in docstrings=
, which aren&#39;t read by the Lisp reader, but by something else... This i=
s what is at stake, right?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">May=
be if good reasonable semantics can be found, but not sure.</div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, No=
v 12, 2022, 16:20 Thierry Volpiatto &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thievol@HIDDEN=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">thievol@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:joaotavora@HIDDEN" rel=3D"no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">joaotavora@HIDDEN</a>&gt; writes:=
<br>
<br>
&gt; This is a feature of Lisp in general and the correct way to go from<br=
>
&gt; strings to symbols.<br>
<br>
Great, thanks to confirm.<br>
<br>
&gt; Curiously, I was pleasantly surprised that much code of key symbol<br>
&gt; processing facilities was already using this indirection and<br>
&gt; shorthands automatically worked in those facilities because of that.<b=
r>
<br>
`substitute-command-keys` at least doesn&#39;t handle this.<br>
<br>
Say you have the file foo.el with <br>
`read-symbol-shorthands` =3D=3D ((&quot;f-&quot; . &quot;foo-&quot;)) and c=
ontaining definitions<br>
like `f-dothis`, `f-dothat` etc... and a var `f-help-string` containing str=
ing like<br>
&quot;\&lt;f-map&gt;\[f-dothis]: Description&quot;, if you define a functio=
n `f-help`<br>
containing (substitute-command-keys f-help-string) it will fail<br>
complaining `f-dothis` is void.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Thierry<br>
</blockquote></div>

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Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora <joaotavora@HIDDEN> writes:

> This is a feature of Lisp in general and the correct way to go from
> strings to symbols.

Great, thanks to confirm.

> Curiously, I was pleasantly surprised that much code of key symbol
> processing facilities was already using this indirection and
> shorthands automatically worked in those facilities because of that.

`substitute-command-keys` at least doesn't handle this.

Say you have the file foo.el with=20
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like `f-dothis`, `f-dothat` etc... and a var `f-help-string` containing str=
ing like
"\<f-map>\[f-dothis]: Description", if you define a function `f-help`
containing (substitute-command-keys f-help-string) it will fail
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=2D-=20
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Thierry is correct. Intern-soft is Emacs way to go from a string
representation to the symbol itself (or nowhere, if there's no match). This
is not new with shorthands.

Should we document this in the Elisp manual? Maybe, but where? Shorthand
section? Not sure. This is a feature of Lisp in general and the correct way
to go from strings to symbols. Before shorthands we got away without this
step for obvious reasons. Curiously, I was pleasantly surprised that much
code of key symbol processing facilities was already using this indirection
and shorthands automatically worked in those facilities because of that.

Jo=C3=A3o

On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 12:43 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:

> > From: Thierry Volpiatto <thievol@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2022 20:16:48 +0000
> >
> > after having hard time getting the longhand name of a shorthand symbol
> > at point (with regexp and the local value of read-symbol-shorthands) I
> > discover it is easy to get this information with:
> >
> >     (symbol-name (intern-soft (thing-at-point 'symbol)))
> >
> > Is this the right way to get this information and if so is it
> > possible to document it?
>
> Jo=C3=A3o, any comments?
>
> Thanks.
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Thierry is correct. Intern-soft is Emacs way to go from a=
 string representation to the symbol itself (or nowhere, if there&#39;s no =
match). This is not new with shorthands.<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">Should we document this in the Elisp manual?=
 Maybe, but where? Shorthand section? Not sure. This is a feature of Lisp i=
n general and the correct way to go from strings to symbols. Before shortha=
nds we got away without this step for obvious reasons. Curiously, I was ple=
asantly surprised that much code of key symbol processing facilities was al=
ready using this indirection and shorthands automatically worked in those f=
acilities because of that.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o">Jo=C3=A3o</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 12:43 Eli Zaretskii &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">&gt; From: Thierry Volpiatto &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thie=
vol@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">thievol@HIDDEN</a>=
&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2022 20:16:48 +0000<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; after having hard time getting the longhand name of a shorthand symbol=
<br>
&gt; at point (with regexp and the local value of read-symbol-shorthands) I=
<br>
&gt; discover it is easy to get this information with:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(symbol-name (intern-soft (thing-at-point &#39;symb=
ol)))<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Is this the right way to get this information and if so is it<br>
&gt; possible to document it?<br>
<br>
Jo=C3=A3o, any comments?<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
</blockquote></div>

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> From: Thierry Volpiatto <thievol@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2022 20:16:48 +0000
> 
> after having hard time getting the longhand name of a shorthand symbol
> at point (with regexp and the local value of read-symbol-shorthands) I
> discover it is easy to get this information with:
> 
>     (symbol-name (intern-soft (thing-at-point 'symbol)))
> 
> Is this the right way to get this information and if so is it
> possible to document it?

João, any comments?

Thanks.
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Hello,

after having hard time getting the longhand name of a shorthand symbol
at point (with regexp and the local value of read-symbol-shorthands) I
discover it is easy to get this information with:

    (symbol-name (intern-soft (thing-at-point 'symbol)))

Is this the right way to get this information and if so is it
possible to document it?

Thanks.



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cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao
korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech
european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript
charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray
cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files
window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages
mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads inotify
lcms2 dynamic-setting font-render-setting cairo motif x-toolkit x
multi-tty make-network-process emacs)

Memory information:
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 (strings 32 254146 3495)
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 (vectors 16 78013)
 (vector-slots 8 1043432 53462)
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-- 
Thierry
Acknowledgement sent to Thierry Volpiatto <thievol@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#59082; Package emacs. Full text available.
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