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Mon, 10 Mar 2025 14:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> To: Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#61413: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign In-Reply-To: <95c830bf9481e6a11494a8d333b257dbb5f577d8.camel@HIDDEN> References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <87wmdrtsfk.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldu2g4zb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zfiil7mm.fsf@HIDDEN> <86plje53jg.fsf@HIDDEN> <1c803dd0-2102-4ff2-8fab-e1e90f6d8b0f@HIDDEN> <87tt8pocek.fsf@HIDDEN> <d9bfa3dc-1abe-4b4a-9d5f-ed54c6cda55e@HIDDEN> <87seo89tg6.fsf@HIDDEN> <62a993e4-7ff0-4ce9-893e-002e846e092b@HIDDEN> <87mseg9q34.fsf@HIDDEN> <a098fe7e-8b6e-4bc4-a089-4e6b1acfdfa1@HIDDEN> <86eczhos3f.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zfi3k878.fsf@HIDDEN> <86pliumfkb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zfhvlaga.fsf@HIDDEN> <d337fc4037a0bc598144a66f118cf5077e6d0e63.camel@HIDDEN> <865xkgesjd.fsf@HIDDEN> <274929038fe139a589a5e456a5f449b3de8ce431.camel@HIDDEN> <87msdshj7e.fsf@HIDDEN> <95c830bf9481e6a11494a8d333b257dbb5f577d8.camel@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 22:56:03 +0100 Message-ID: <87h640turw.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61413 Cc: rudolf@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, maurooaranda@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> writes: >> > > Like this: >> > >=20 >> > > =C2=A0 M-: (display-warning 'warning "foo") RTE >> >=20 >> > Thanks! So, I'm looking at the buffer, and I don't see much difference >> > compared to how it was before, >>=20 >> Right, the only changes that were committed at this stage impact the >> help-echo string, so the only visible difference happens if you hover >> over the no-entry sign, or invoke 'C-h .' with point on the sign. >>=20 >> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 so my vote in preference of either >> > applying the patch (that one that started the discussion) or making >> > the icon a button with text instead still stands. >>=20 >> ACK; FWIW I sent a patch combining both suggestions (using a warning >> sign - with either an SVG image or an emoji; using a text button for >> suppression) on this message: >>=20 >> <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D61413#108> >>=20 >> Screenshot: >>=20 >> <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?att=3D2;bug=3D61413;filename= =3DScreenshot_20250223_163540.png;msg=3D108> > > Looks nice! FTR, I'm looking at screenshot, and I think maybe it's > worth clarifying what I mean while saying making the icon a button. I > meant the visual appearance of a button, like the ones you can see in > customization menu for variables. Let me put it another way: if you > take your screenshot to a user who knows nothing about this buffer and > ask them "find all buttons on the screenshot" =E2=80=94 do you think they= 'd > point at the warning sign and say "=E2=80=A6and these are obviously butto= ns > too"? I bet they would not. I should have clarified: this patch does *three* things: 1. it adds the "(suppress)" text button, 2. it swaps the no-entry sign with a warning sign, 3. (!) it un-buttonizes the warning sign. IOW with that patch, the warning signs _are_ purely decorative; the text buttons really _are_ the only actionable buttons in that screenshot. ISTM if we go for both 1 & 2 (which both had support among participants, AFAIR), then 3 is a logical next step: why overload the warning sign with a suppression function, when there is a perfectly explicit text button for that?
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.54.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61413 Cc: rudolf@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, maurooaranda@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Mon, 2025-03-10 at 18:46 +0100, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec wrote: > Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> writes: >=20 > > On Mon, 2025-03-10 at 18:53 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> > > > > Cc: rudolf@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, maurooaranda@HIDDEN,=20 > > > > stefankangas@HIDDEN, 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 12:02:01 +0300 > > > >=20 > > > > On Sat, 2025-03-08 at 18:05 +0100, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec wrote: > > > > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > If you want me to install some patches, please post > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Thanks for the nudge; re-attaching the patch that makes > > > > > > > button.el > > > > > > > preserve help-echo strings; reviewed by Mauro in two > > > > > > > parts=C2=B9=C2=B2, then > > > > > > > squashed=C2=B3.=C2=A0 I can install it if we think that fix i= s > > > > > > > unambiguously good. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > LGTM, thanks. > > > > >=20 > > > > > Just pushed, thanks for the review. > > > > >=20 > > > > > I'll defer to other participants regarding what should be > > > > > done next - > > > > > e.g. (a) should =E2=9B=94 be given a second chance now that it ha= s a > > > > > help-echo > > > > > string, making its function more discoverable; (b) should we > > > > > use another > > > > > symbol; (c) should we eschew images entirely for that > > > > > function & use a > > > > > text button. > > > >=20 > > > > Sorry for stupid question, but=E2=80=A6 I just wanted to see how do > > > > warnings > > > > look now, and I figured I don't know how to produce the buffer > > > > being > > > > discussed =F0=9F=98=85 > > >=20 > > > Like this: > > >=20 > > > =C2=A0 M-: (display-warning 'warning "foo") RTE > >=20 > > Thanks! So, I'm looking at the buffer, and I don't see much > > difference > > compared to how it was before, >=20 > Right, the only changes that were committed at this stage impact the > help-echo string, so the only visible difference happens if you hover > over the no-entry sign, or invoke 'C-h .' with point on the sign. >=20 > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 so my vote in preference of either > > applying the patch (that one that started the discussion) or making > > the > > icon a button with text instead still stands. >=20 > ACK; FWIW I sent a patch combining both suggestions (using a warning > sign - with either an SVG image or an emoji; using a text button for > suppression) on this message: >=20 > <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D61413#108> >=20 > Screenshot: >=20 > < > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?att=3D2;bug=3D61413;filename=3D= Scr > eenshot_20250223_163540.png;msg=3D108> Looks nice! FTR, I'm looking at screenshot, and I think maybe it's worth clarifying what I mean while saying making the icon a button. I meant the visual appearance of a button, like the ones you can see in customization menu for variables. Let me put it another way: if you take your screenshot to a user who knows nothing about this buffer and ask them "find all buttons on the screenshot" =E2=80=94 do you think they'd point at the warning sign and say "=E2=80=A6and these are obviously buttons too"? I bet they would not. Other than that, your solution looks good; and disregarding the button discussion it already looks better than what's currently on master. > (Two things I dislike about that patch: >=20 > 1. the redundancy between the warning sign & the "Warning" text that > comes after - feels like there is room for improvement, but would > require delving into some warning-prefix-function plumbing I avoided > up > to this point; "Better is the enemy of good" =F0=9F=98=8A You're making a good point, but = this problem exists disregarding if your patch applied, and so fine to be fixed separately. I would have made such change a separate patch anyway, because to me it would seem an unrelated functional change.
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Mon, 10 Mar 2025 10:46:46 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> To: Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#61413: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign In-Reply-To: <274929038fe139a589a5e456a5f449b3de8ce431.camel@HIDDEN> References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <8734gj631r.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2o6z4b2zf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmdrtsfk.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldu2g4zb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zfiil7mm.fsf@HIDDEN> <86plje53jg.fsf@HIDDEN> <1c803dd0-2102-4ff2-8fab-e1e90f6d8b0f@HIDDEN> <87tt8pocek.fsf@HIDDEN> <d9bfa3dc-1abe-4b4a-9d5f-ed54c6cda55e@HIDDEN> <87seo89tg6.fsf@HIDDEN> <62a993e4-7ff0-4ce9-893e-002e846e092b@HIDDEN> <87mseg9q34.fsf@HIDDEN> <a098fe7e-8b6e-4bc4-a089-4e6b1acfdfa1@HIDDEN> <86eczhos3f.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zfi3k878.fsf@HIDDEN> <86pliumfkb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zfhvlaga.fsf@HIDDEN> <d337fc4037a0bc598144a66f118cf5077e6d0e63.camel@HIDDEN> <865xkgesjd.fsf@HIDDEN> <274929038fe139a589a5e456a5f449b3de8ce431.camel@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 18:46:45 +0100 Message-ID: <87msdshj7e.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61413 Cc: rudolf@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, maurooaranda@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> writes: > On Mon, 2025-03-10 at 18:53 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> >> > Cc: rudolf@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, maurooaranda@HIDDEN,=20 >> > stefankangas@HIDDEN, 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 12:02:01 +0300 >> >=20 >> > On Sat, 2025-03-08 at 18:05 +0100, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec wrote: >> > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> > >=20 >> > > > > > If you want me to install some patches, please post them. >> > > > >=20 >> > > > > Thanks for the nudge; re-attaching the patch that makes button.el >> > > > > preserve help-echo strings; reviewed by Mauro in two parts=C2=B9= =C2=B2, then >> > > > > squashed=C2=B3.=C2=A0 I can install it if we think that fix is u= nambiguously good. >> > > >=20 >> > > > LGTM, thanks. >> > >=20 >> > > Just pushed, thanks for the review. >> > >=20 >> > > I'll defer to other participants regarding what should be done next - >> > > e.g. (a) should =E2=9B=94 be given a second chance now that it has a= help-echo >> > > string, making its function more discoverable; (b) should we use ano= ther >> > > symbol; (c) should we eschew images entirely for that function & use= a >> > > text button. >> >=20 >> > Sorry for stupid question, but=E2=80=A6 I just wanted to see how do wa= rnings >> > look now, and I figured I don't know how to produce the buffer being >> > discussed =F0=9F=98=85 >>=20 >> Like this: >>=20 >> =C2=A0 M-: (display-warning 'warning "foo") RTE > > Thanks! So, I'm looking at the buffer, and I don't see much difference > compared to how it was before, Right, the only changes that were committed at this stage impact the help-echo string, so the only visible difference happens if you hover over the no-entry sign, or invoke 'C-h .' with point on the sign. > so my vote in preference of either > applying the patch (that one that started the discussion) or making the > icon a button with text instead still stands. ACK; FWIW I sent a patch combining both suggestions (using a warning sign - with either an SVG image or an emoji; using a text button for suppression) on this message: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D61413#108> Screenshot: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?att=3D2;bug=3D61413;filename=3DS= creenshot_20250223_163540.png;msg=3D108> No strong feelings about it myself though, so feel free to iterate on it or dismiss it entirely. (Two things I dislike about that patch: 1. the redundancy between the warning sign & the "Warning" text that comes after - feels like there is room for improvement, but would require delving into some warning-prefix-function plumbing I avoided up to this point; 2. see the FIXME; not sure why warnings.el invokes 'newline' instead of inserting "\n"; that has undesirable side-effects when placing a button at the end of the line)
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.54.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61413 Cc: rudolf@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, maurooaranda@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN, kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN, 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Mon, 2025-03-10 at 18:53 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> > > Cc: rudolf@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, maurooaranda@HIDDEN,=20 > > stefankangas@HIDDEN, 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 12:02:01 +0300 > >=20 > > On Sat, 2025-03-08 at 18:05 +0100, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec wrote: > > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >=20 > > > > > > If you want me to install some patches, please post them. > > > > >=20 > > > > > Thanks for the nudge; re-attaching the patch that makes > > > > > button.el > > > > > preserve help-echo strings; reviewed by Mauro in two parts=C2=B9= =C2=B2, > > > > > then > > > > > squashed=C2=B3.=C2=A0 I can install it if we think that fix is > > > > > unambiguously good. > > > >=20 > > > > LGTM, thanks. > > >=20 > > > Just pushed, thanks for the review. > > >=20 > > > I'll defer to other participants regarding what should be done > > > next - > > > e.g. (a) should =E2=9B=94 be given a second chance now that it has a > > > help- > > > echo > > > string, making its function more discoverable; (b) should we use > > > another > > > symbol; (c) should we eschew images entirely for that function & > > > use > > > a > > > text button. > >=20 > > Sorry for stupid question, but=E2=80=A6 I just wanted to see how do > > warnings > > look now, and I figured I don't know how to produce the buffer > > being > > discussed =F0=9F=98=85 >=20 > Like this: >=20 > =C2=A0 M-: (display-warning 'warning "foo") RTE Thanks! So, I'm looking at the buffer, and I don't see much difference compared to how it was before, so my vote in preference of either applying the patch (that one that started the discussion) or making the icon a button with text instead still stands.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#61413; Package emacs.
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Sorry for stupid question, but=E2=80=A6 I just wanted to see how do warning= s look now, and I figured I don't know how to produce the buffer being discussed =F0=9F=98=85 I certainly remember seeing warnings during async compilation. However, now that I'm looking at *Async-native-compile- log* the lines have no emojis. I also tried M-x byte-compile some file with warnings and got *Compile-log* buffer, but it doesn't have them either. Was it some other "compilation" buffer=E2=80=A6?
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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61413 Cc: rudolf@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, maurooaranda@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN, Hi-Angel@HIDDEN, 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> > If you want me to install some patches, please post them. >>=20 >> Thanks for the nudge; re-attaching the patch that makes button.el >> preserve help-echo strings; reviewed by Mauro in two parts=C2=B9=C2=B2, = then >> squashed=C2=B3. I can install it if we think that fix is unambiguously = good. > > LGTM, thanks. Just pushed, thanks for the review. I'll defer to other participants regarding what should be done next - e.g. (a) should =E2=9B=94 be given a second chance now that it has a help-e= cho string, making its function more discoverable; (b) should we use another symbol; (c) should we eschew images entirely for that function & use a text button.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN>
>>=20
>> K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> writes:
>>=20
>> > Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes:
>> >
>> >> But, now we don't know if the help-echo property was effectively add=
ed
>> >> by the library or it was already there :-(.=C2=A0 Sadness.
>> >
>> > Would the attached address that problem?=C2=A0 (To apply on top of the
>> > previous patch; I'll squash it all if we are happy with it)
>>=20
>> Looks good to me, thanks.
>
> If you want me to install some patches, please post them.
Thanks for the nudge; re-attaching the patch that makes button.el
preserve help-echo strings; reviewed by Mauro in two parts=C2=B9=C2=B2, then
squashed=C2=B3. I can install it if we think that fix is unambiguously goo=
d.
There is another (independent) patch in-flight for changing the
presentation of warnings=E2=81=B4; no feedback on code nor effect yet.
Personally not very invested in it, but I felt it was important to
explore the other ideas raised in this thread (replacing =E2=9B=94 with a
regular text button; adding a warning sign).
=C2=B9 https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D61413#93
=C2=B2 https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D61413#99
=C2=B3 https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D61413#102
=E2=81=B4 https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D61413#108
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From 5668adb52c0f97b38cf47cdab77b8ffb4e923706 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: =?UTF-8?q?K=C3=A9vin=20Le=20Gouguec?= <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 22:37:13 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] Prevent button.el from clearing help-echo strings
In order to fix one of the issues discussed in bug#61413, i.e.
'buttonize' clobbering the help-echo property set by
'icon-string'.
This is a reasonable interpretation of the button.el
docstrings - "if HELP-ECHO, use that as the `help-echo'
property"; conversely, if not HELP-ECHO, then do not do
anything, preserving existing values for that property.
* lisp/button.el (button--properties): Only add a help-echo
property if HELP-ECHO is non-nil. Add an additional property
for bookkeeping.
(unbuttonize-region): Check for that bookkeeping property
before clearing help-echo.
* test/lisp/button-tests.el (button--preserve-help-echo):
Validate these changes.
---
lisp/button.el | 32 +++++++++++++++++++++-----------
test/lisp/button-tests.el | 28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2 files changed, 49 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)
diff --git a/lisp/button.el b/lisp/button.el
index 674de1bb4fa..58f00c4c2ad 100644
--- a/lisp/button.el
+++ b/lisp/button.el
@@ -652,15 +652,19 @@ buttonize
string))
(defun button--properties (callback data help-echo)
- (list 'font-lock-face 'button
- 'mouse-face 'highlight
- 'help-echo help-echo
- 'button t
- 'follow-link t
- 'category t
- 'button-data data
- 'keymap button-map
- 'action callback))
+ (append
+ (list 'font-lock-face 'button
+ 'mouse-face 'highlight
+ 'button t
+ 'follow-link t
+ 'category t
+ 'button-data data
+ 'keymap button-map
+ 'action callback)
+ (and help-echo
+ (list 'help-echo help-echo
+ ;; Record that button.el is responsible for this property.
+ 'help-echo-button t))))
(defun buttonize-region (start end callback &optional data help-echo)
"Make the region between START and END into a button.
@@ -681,8 +685,14 @@ unbuttonize-region
(when (overlay-get o 'button)
(delete-overlay o)))
(with-silent-modifications
- (remove-text-properties start end
- (button--properties nil nil nil))
+ (remove-text-properties
+ start end
+ (append
+ (button--properties nil nil nil)
+ ;; Only remove help-echo if it was added by button.el.
+ (and (get-text-property start 'help-echo-button)
+ (list 'help-echo nil
+ 'help-echo-button nil))))
(add-face-text-property start end
'button nil)))
diff --git a/test/lisp/button-tests.el b/test/lisp/button-tests.el
index 7f6a5bd52cd..b784cf02e28 100644
--- a/test/lisp/button-tests.el
+++ b/test/lisp/button-tests.el
@@ -101,4 +101,32 @@ button--help-echo-function
(setq button (insert-button "overlay" 'help-echo help))
(should (equal (button--help-echo button) "overlay: x")))))
+(ert-deftest button--preserve-help-echo ()
+ "Ensure buttonizing functions preserve existing `help-echo' properties."
+ ;; buttonize.
+ (let* ((string (propertize "button text" 'help-echo "help text"))
+ (button (buttonize string #'ignore)))
+ (should (equal (get-text-property 0 'help-echo button)
+ "help text")))
+ ;; buttonize-region.
+ (with-temp-buffer
+ (insert (propertize "button text" 'help-echo "help text"))
+ (buttonize-region (point-min) (point) #'ignore)
+ (should (equal (get-text-property (point-min) 'help-echo)
+ "help text"))
+ ;; unbuttonize-region should not clear the property either.
+ (unbuttonize-region (point-min) (point))
+ (should (equal (get-text-property (point-min) 'help-echo)
+ "help text")))
+ ;; unbuttonize-region should still clear properties applied with
+ ;; buttonize.
+ (with-temp-buffer
+ (insert "button text")
+ (buttonize-region (point-min) (point) #'ignore nil "help text")
+ (should (equal (get-text-property (point-min) 'help-echo)
+ "help text"))
+ (unbuttonize-region (point-min) (point))
+ (should (equal (get-text-property (point-min) 'help-echo)
+ nil))))
+
;;; button-tests.el ends here
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From: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN>
To: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#61413: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead
of a stop-sign
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References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN>
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K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> writes:
> Back to the topic of the warnings-suppress icon representations: FWIW, I
> toyed with status/dialog-error-symbolic.svg from adwaita-icon-theme, but
> could not land on a result I found perfectly harmonious.
Figured that for all the button.el help-echo noodling, it would not hurt
to give a shot to the most-requested suggestions in this report: show a
warning sign *for presentation only*, and use an explicit plain text
button for suppression.
Attaching the result (patch & screenshot). OT1H it feels like there is
room for further refinement=C2=B9, OTOH I prefer to send that iteration fir=
st
before building castles in the air.
=C2=B9 Integration with warning-prefix-function, varying faces with warning
levels, figuring out what the deal is with invoking 'newline instead of
inserting "\n" directly, using define-button-type & insert-button which
I just learned about=E2=80=A6
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From 0e4afa554f4cffd3b96ea5956ff2853b0c4e2778 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: =3D?UTF-8?q?K=3DC3=3DA9vin=3D20Le=3D20Gouguec?=3D <kevin.legouguec@gm=
ail.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 16:40:19 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] Use plain text for warning supression button
As discussed in bug#61413, even if we fix button.el stripping
the icon's help-echo property, the no-entry sign remains
unintuitive.
* etc/images/README: Record new image provenance.
* etc/images/warning.svg: New image for prefixing warnings.
* lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el (warning): New icon, respecting
the 'warning face.
(display-warning): Use the new icon; move suppression button
after warning text, and make it a plain text button.
---
etc/images/README | 9 +++++----
etc/images/warning.pbm | Bin 0 -> 41 bytes
etc/images/warning.svg | 4 ++++
lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el | 32 +++++++++++++++++++++++++-------
4 files changed, 34 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)
create mode 100644 etc/images/warning.pbm
create mode 100644 etc/images/warning.svg
diff --git a/etc/images/README b/etc/images/README
index d3f442a3b24..ebdb37fd3be 100644
--- a/etc/images/README
+++ b/etc/images/README
@@ -137,8 +137,9 @@ Emacs images and their source in the Adwaita/symbolic d=
irectory:
left.svg ui/pan-start-symbolic.svg
right.svg ui/pan-end-symbolic.svg
up.svg ui/pan-up-symbolic.svg
- conceal.svg actions/view-conceal-symbolic.svg
- reveal.svg actions/view-reveal-symbolic.svg
+ conceal.svg(*) actions/view-conceal-symbolic.svg
+ reveal.svg(*) actions/view-reveal-symbolic.svg
+ warning.svg(*) status/dialog-warning-symbolic.svg
=20
-conceal.pbm and reveal.pbm are generated from the respective *.svg
-files, using the ImageMagick converter tool.
+ (*) *.pbm files were generated from the respective *.svg files, using
+ the ImageMagick converter tool.
diff --git a/etc/images/warning.pbm b/etc/images/warning.pbm
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7bbb5dd30a997698ee9360e9732=
fee97b3c23605
GIT binary patch
literal 41
xcmWGA;W9K+Ff`+0Y+ydXe1QD{TLNDJUx8eOU4>mu{lB`pfA#<W|NqCp008}T56%Dp
literal 0
HcmV?d00001
diff --git a/etc/images/warning.svg b/etc/images/warning.svg
new file mode 100644
index 00000000000..3bfbba00714
--- /dev/null
+++ b/etc/images/warning.svg
@@ -0,0 +1,4 @@
+<?xml version=3D"1.0" encoding=3D"UTF-8"?>
+<svg height=3D"16px" viewBox=3D"0 0 16 16" width=3D"16px" xmlns=3D"http://=
www.w3.org/2000/svg">
+ <path d=3D"m 7.90625 0.09375 c -0.527344 -0.0273438 -1.039062 0.28125 =
-1.4375 0.96875 l -6.25 11.59375 c -0.535156 0.964844 0.046875 2.34375 1.09=
375 2.34375 h 13.15625 c 0.980469 0 1.902344 -1.160156 1.21875 -2.34375 l -=
6.3125 -11.53125 c -0.398438 -0.644531 -0.941406 -1.003906 -1.46875 -1.0312=
5 z m 1.09375 3.90625 v 5 c 0.007812 0.527344 -0.472656 1 -1 1 s -1.007812 =
-0.472656 -1 -1 v -5 z m -1 7 c 0.550781 0 1 0.449219 1 1 s -0.449219 1 -1 =
1 s -1 -0.449219 -1 -1 s 0.449219 -1 1 -1 z m 0 0"/>
+</svg>
diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
index 8a5c73ebd3a..a08ec96b49b 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
@@ -212,6 +212,15 @@ warning-suppress-p
;; we return t.
some-match))
+(define-icon warning nil
+ '((image "warning.svg" "warning.pbm" :face warning)
+ (emoji "=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F")
+ (symbol "=E2=9A=A0" :face warning)
+ (text "WARNING" :face warning))
+ "Warning indicator."
+ :version "31.1")
+
+;; Unused in-tree; see bug#61413. Kept for backward compatibility.
(define-icon warnings-suppress button
`((emoji "=E2=9B=94")
;; Many MS-Windows console fonts don't have good glyphs for U+25A0.
@@ -312,22 +321,31 @@ display-warning
(prog1 (point-marker)
(unless (eq warning-series t)
(funcall warning-series)))))
- (let ((inhibit-read-only t))
+ (let ((inhibit-read-only t)
+ ;; Don't output buttons or icons when doing batch
+ ;; compilation and similar.
+ (decorate (not (or noninteractive
+ (eq type 'bytecomp)))))
(unless (bolp)
(funcall newline))
(setq start (point))
- ;; Don't output the button when doing batch compilation
- ;; and similar.
- (unless (or noninteractive (eq type 'bytecomp))
- (insert (buttonize (icon-string 'warnings-suppress)
- #'warnings-suppress type)
- " "))
+ (when decorate
+ (insert (icon-string 'warning) " "))
(if warning-prefix-function
(setq level-info (funcall warning-prefix-function
level level-info)))
(insert (format (nth 1 level-info)
(format warning-type-format typename))
message)
+ (when decorate
+ (insert
+ " "
+ (buttonize
+ "(suppress)" #'warnings-suppress type
+ (format "Click to suppress warnings of type `%s'" type))
+ ;; FIXME: add un-propertized space to prevent
+ ;; buttonizing next newline:
+ " "))
(funcall newline)
(when (and warning-fill-prefix
(not (string-search "\n" message))
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Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes:
> K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>>> But, now we don't know if the help-echo property was effectively added
>>> by the library or it was already there :-(.=C2=A0 Sadness.
>>
>> Would the attached address that problem?=C2=A0 (To apply on top of the
>> previous patch; I'll squash it all if we are happy with it)
>
> Looks good to me, thanks.
Alright, here's the squashed patch then - with amended ChangeLog. Let
me know whether it looks OK to install.
Back to the topic of the warnings-suppress icon representations: FWIW, I
toyed with status/dialog-error-symbolic.svg from adwaita-icon-theme, but
could not land on a result I found perfectly harmonious.
* Edited the SVG to remove the foreground color, as we usually do, so
that faces apply to the inserted image,
* but warnings-suppress inherits from the 'button icon, which means the
image gets the 'icon-face; the result looks messy IMO,
* inheriting from nil instead, buttonize's 'button face takes over,
which is somewhat confusing too,
* adding ':face default' to the image spec makes the result less jarring
(to me).
Attaching that experiment as well FTR; not wholly pleased with it
though.
(I wonder whether this part of the 'button icon=E2=80=A6
(define-icon button nil
'((image :face icon-button) ; =F0=9F=91=88 that one
; =E2=80=A6
)
"Base icon for buttons."
:version "29.1")
=E2=80=A6 is desirable. AFAICT _all_ our in-tree icons inherit from nil in=
stead
of 'button' despite their "button-like" function; wondering to what
extent they are opting out of this ':face icon-button'?)
--=-=-=
Content-Type: text/x-patch
Content-Disposition: attachment;
filename=0001-Prevent-button.el-from-clearing-help-echo-strings.patch
From 5668adb52c0f97b38cf47cdab77b8ffb4e923706 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: =?UTF-8?q?K=C3=A9vin=20Le=20Gouguec?= <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 22:37:13 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] Prevent button.el from clearing help-echo strings
In order to fix one of the issues discussed in bug#61413, i.e.
'buttonize' clobbering the help-echo property set by
'icon-string'.
This is a reasonable interpretation of the button.el
docstrings - "if HELP-ECHO, use that as the `help-echo'
property"; conversely, if not HELP-ECHO, then do not do
anything, preserving existing values for that property.
* lisp/button.el (button--properties): Only add a help-echo
property if HELP-ECHO is non-nil. Add an additional property
for bookkeeping.
(unbuttonize-region): Check for that bookkeeping property
before clearing help-echo.
* test/lisp/button-tests.el (button--preserve-help-echo):
Validate these changes.
---
lisp/button.el | 32 +++++++++++++++++++++-----------
test/lisp/button-tests.el | 28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2 files changed, 49 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)
diff --git a/lisp/button.el b/lisp/button.el
index 674de1bb4fa..58f00c4c2ad 100644
--- a/lisp/button.el
+++ b/lisp/button.el
@@ -652,15 +652,19 @@ buttonize
string))
(defun button--properties (callback data help-echo)
- (list 'font-lock-face 'button
- 'mouse-face 'highlight
- 'help-echo help-echo
- 'button t
- 'follow-link t
- 'category t
- 'button-data data
- 'keymap button-map
- 'action callback))
+ (append
+ (list 'font-lock-face 'button
+ 'mouse-face 'highlight
+ 'button t
+ 'follow-link t
+ 'category t
+ 'button-data data
+ 'keymap button-map
+ 'action callback)
+ (and help-echo
+ (list 'help-echo help-echo
+ ;; Record that button.el is responsible for this property.
+ 'help-echo-button t))))
(defun buttonize-region (start end callback &optional data help-echo)
"Make the region between START and END into a button.
@@ -681,8 +685,14 @@ unbuttonize-region
(when (overlay-get o 'button)
(delete-overlay o)))
(with-silent-modifications
- (remove-text-properties start end
- (button--properties nil nil nil))
+ (remove-text-properties
+ start end
+ (append
+ (button--properties nil nil nil)
+ ;; Only remove help-echo if it was added by button.el.
+ (and (get-text-property start 'help-echo-button)
+ (list 'help-echo nil
+ 'help-echo-button nil))))
(add-face-text-property start end
'button nil)))
diff --git a/test/lisp/button-tests.el b/test/lisp/button-tests.el
index 7f6a5bd52cd..b784cf02e28 100644
--- a/test/lisp/button-tests.el
+++ b/test/lisp/button-tests.el
@@ -101,4 +101,32 @@ button--help-echo-function
(setq button (insert-button "overlay" 'help-echo help))
(should (equal (button--help-echo button) "overlay: x")))))
+(ert-deftest button--preserve-help-echo ()
+ "Ensure buttonizing functions preserve existing `help-echo' properties."
+ ;; buttonize.
+ (let* ((string (propertize "button text" 'help-echo "help text"))
+ (button (buttonize string #'ignore)))
+ (should (equal (get-text-property 0 'help-echo button)
+ "help text")))
+ ;; buttonize-region.
+ (with-temp-buffer
+ (insert (propertize "button text" 'help-echo "help text"))
+ (buttonize-region (point-min) (point) #'ignore)
+ (should (equal (get-text-property (point-min) 'help-echo)
+ "help text"))
+ ;; unbuttonize-region should not clear the property either.
+ (unbuttonize-region (point-min) (point))
+ (should (equal (get-text-property (point-min) 'help-echo)
+ "help text")))
+ ;; unbuttonize-region should still clear properties applied with
+ ;; buttonize.
+ (with-temp-buffer
+ (insert "button text")
+ (buttonize-region (point-min) (point) #'ignore nil "help text")
+ (should (equal (get-text-property (point-min) 'help-echo)
+ "help text"))
+ (unbuttonize-region (point-min) (point))
+ (should (equal (get-text-property (point-min) 'help-echo)
+ nil))))
+
;;; button-tests.el ends here
--
2.48.1
--=-=-=
Content-Type: text/x-patch; charset=utf-8
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=icon-image.patch
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
diff --git a/etc/images/README b/etc/images/README
index d3f442a3b24..4c85ee182ca 100644
--- a/etc/images/README
+++ b/etc/images/README
@@ -137,8 +137,9 @@ Emacs images and their source in the Adwaita/symbolic d=
irectory:
left.svg ui/pan-start-symbolic.svg
right.svg ui/pan-end-symbolic.svg
up.svg ui/pan-up-symbolic.svg
- conceal.svg actions/view-conceal-symbolic.svg
- reveal.svg actions/view-reveal-symbolic.svg
+ conceal.svg(*) actions/view-conceal-symbolic.svg
+ reveal.svg(*) actions/view-reveal-symbolic.svg
+ no-entry.svg(*) status/dialog-error-symbolic.svg
=20
-conceal.pbm and reveal.pbm are generated from the respective *.svg
-files, using the ImageMagick converter tool.
+ (*) *.pbm files were generated from the respective *.svg files, using
+ the ImageMagick converter tool.
diff --git a/etc/images/no-entry.pbm b/etc/images/no-entry.pbm
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..830d2d3e5c63ad788586dc4dd26=
e299395673625
GIT binary patch
literal 41
vcmWGA;W9K+Ff`+0U|@g1|3UtT{h#`O_5TX^3iv>@{U7-s{2$mKFfafBGcOS5
literal 0
HcmV?d00001
diff --git a/etc/images/no-entry.svg b/etc/images/no-entry.svg
new file mode 100644
index 00000000000..8ec31601a8f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/etc/images/no-entry.svg
@@ -0,0 +1,4 @@
+<?xml version=3D"1.0" encoding=3D"UTF-8"?>
+<svg height=3D"16px" viewBox=3D"0 0 16 16" width=3D"16px" xmlns=3D"http://=
www.w3.org/2000/svg">
+ <path d=3D"m 8 1 c -3.871094 0 -7 3.128906 -7 7 s 3.128906 7 7 7 s 7 -=
3.128906 7 -7 s -3.128906 -7 -7 -7 z m -4 6 h 8 v 2 h -8 z m 0 0"/>
+</svg>
diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
index 8a5c73ebd3a..64f7422c928 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
@@ -213,7 +213,12 @@ warning-suppress-p
some-match))
(define-icon warnings-suppress button
- `((emoji "=E2=9B=94")
+ `(
+ ;; The icon-button face looks confusing on images; set a more
+ ;; neutral face to get an effect similar to other button-like icons
+ ;; (Custom, outline).
+ (image "no-entry.svg" "no-entry.pbm" :face default)
+ (emoji "=E2=9B=94")
;; Many MS-Windows console fonts don't have good glyphs for U+25A0.
(symbol ,(if (and (eq system-type 'windows-nt)
(null window-system))
--=-=-=--
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diff --git a/lisp/button.el b/lisp/button.el
index f0f3c60ee0e..0d7ea483931 100644
--- a/lisp/button.el
+++ b/lisp/button.el
@@ -662,7 +662,9 @@ button--properties
'keymap button-map
'action callback)
(and help-echo
- (list 'help-echo help-echo))))
+ (list 'help-echo help-echo
+ ;; Record that button.el is responsible for this property.
+ 'help-echo-button t))))
(defun buttonize-region (start end callback &optional data help-echo)
"Make the region between START and END into a button.
@@ -683,8 +685,13 @@ unbuttonize-region
(when (overlay-get o 'button)
(delete-overlay o)))
(with-silent-modifications
- (remove-text-properties start end
- (button--properties nil nil nil))
+ (remove-text-properties
+ start end
+ (append
+ (button--properties nil nil nil)
+ (and (get-text-property start 'help-echo-button)
+ (list 'help-echo nil
+ 'help-echo-button nil))))
(add-face-text-property start end
'button nil)))
diff --git a/test/lisp/button-tests.el b/test/lisp/button-tests.el
index 83782236de3..b784cf02e28 100644
--- a/test/lisp/button-tests.el
+++ b/test/lisp/button-tests.el
@@ -113,6 +113,20 @@ button--preserve-help-echo
(insert (propertize "button text" 'help-echo "help text"))
(buttonize-region (point-min) (point) #'ignore)
(should (equal (get-text-property (point-min) 'help-echo)
- "help text"))))
+ "help text"))
+ ;; unbuttonize-region should not clear the property either.
+ (unbuttonize-region (point-min) (point))
+ (should (equal (get-text-property (point-min) 'help-echo)
+ "help text")))
+ ;; unbuttonize-region should still clear properties applied with
+ ;; buttonize.
+ (with-temp-buffer
+ (insert "button text")
+ (buttonize-region (point-min) (point) #'ignore nil "help text")
+ (should (equal (get-text-property (point-min) 'help-echo)
+ "help text"))
+ (unbuttonize-region (point-min) (point))
+ (should (equal (get-text-property (point-min) 'help-echo)
+ nil))))
;;; button-tests.el ends here
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Much cleaner than the original patch - that > (get-text-property 0 …) was not very elegant. > >> Currently, button--properties forces a value for the help-echo property. >> So it would be like: If it's nil, don't add the help-echo property to >> the property list at all, leaving a previous help-echo property >> untouched. > > How does the attached look? I think the change looks good. I've just realized that the other caller of button--properties might need a tweak. In unbuttonize-region, we should change this call: (remove-text-properties start end (button--properties nil nil nil)) to: (remove-text-properties start end ;; t to ensure help-echo gets reset. (button--properties nil nil t)) But, now we don't know if the help-echo property was effectively added by the library or it was already there :-(. Sadness.
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Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes:
>>> I think we'd like something similar for buttonize-region, so I wonder if
>>> it's not better to do the change inside button--properties, though.
>>
>> ACK to improve buttonize-region too.=C2=A0 button--properties does not h=
ave
>> access to the information needed to get the fallback help-echo tho
>> (STRING for buttonize, START END for buttonize-region), are you thinking
>> of passing that fallback as a new argument, or have I missed something?
>
> I was thinking in not overwriting the help-echo property if the
> help-echo argument is nil.
=F0=9F=92=A1 Gotcha. Much cleaner than the original patch - that
(get-text-property 0 =E2=80=A6) was not very elegant.
> Currently, button--properties forces a value for the help-echo property.
> So it would be like: If it's nil,=C2=A0 don't add the help-echo property =
to
> the property list at all, leaving a previous help-echo property
> untouched.
How does the attached look?
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filename=0001-Prevent-button.el-from-clearing-help-echo-strings.patch
From 692ebd5cd291b90eb6d9324efc454c6b1cf04e87 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: =?UTF-8?q?K=C3=A9vin=20Le=20Gouguec?= <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 22:37:13 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] Prevent button.el from clearing help-echo strings
In order to fix one of the issues discussed in bug#61413, i.e.
'buttonize' clobbering the help-echo property set by
'icon-string'.
This is a reasonable interpretation of the button.el
docstrings - "if HELP-ECHO, use that as the `help-echo'
property"; conversely, if not HELP-ECHO, then do not do
anything, preserving existing values for that property.
* lisp/button.el (button--properties): Only add a help-echo
property if HELP-ECHO is non-nil.
* test/lisp/button-tests.el (button--preserve-help-echo):
Validate this change.
---
lisp/button.el | 20 +++++++++++---------
test/lisp/button-tests.el | 14 ++++++++++++++
2 files changed, 25 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
diff --git a/lisp/button.el b/lisp/button.el
index 674de1bb4fa..f0f3c60ee0e 100644
--- a/lisp/button.el
+++ b/lisp/button.el
@@ -652,15 +652,17 @@ buttonize
string))
(defun button--properties (callback data help-echo)
- (list 'font-lock-face 'button
- 'mouse-face 'highlight
- 'help-echo help-echo
- 'button t
- 'follow-link t
- 'category t
- 'button-data data
- 'keymap button-map
- 'action callback))
+ (append
+ (list 'font-lock-face 'button
+ 'mouse-face 'highlight
+ 'button t
+ 'follow-link t
+ 'category t
+ 'button-data data
+ 'keymap button-map
+ 'action callback)
+ (and help-echo
+ (list 'help-echo help-echo))))
(defun buttonize-region (start end callback &optional data help-echo)
"Make the region between START and END into a button.
diff --git a/test/lisp/button-tests.el b/test/lisp/button-tests.el
index 7f6a5bd52cd..83782236de3 100644
--- a/test/lisp/button-tests.el
+++ b/test/lisp/button-tests.el
@@ -101,4 +101,18 @@ button--help-echo-function
(setq button (insert-button "overlay" 'help-echo help))
(should (equal (button--help-echo button) "overlay: x")))))
+(ert-deftest button--preserve-help-echo ()
+ "Ensure buttonizing functions preserve existing `help-echo' properties."
+ ;; buttonize.
+ (let* ((string (propertize "button text" 'help-echo "help text"))
+ (button (buttonize string #'ignore)))
+ (should (equal (get-text-property 0 'help-echo button)
+ "help text")))
+ ;; buttonize-region.
+ (with-temp-buffer
+ (insert (propertize "button text" 'help-echo "help text"))
+ (buttonize-region (point-min) (point) #'ignore)
+ (should (equal (get-text-property (point-min) 'help-echo)
+ "help text"))))
+
;;; button-tests.el ends here
--
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It improves the button >> >> library and doesn't require changes in client code. >> > >> > One concern I have with (b): might some clients rely on the current >> > behavior? An unconditional fallback would force them to remove that >> > text property themselves. >> >> I suspect they don't, but of course I can't be sure. > > Since 'buttonize' doesn't remove any other text properties, I would be > surprised to hear that some Lisp program used this as a means to > ignore help-echo property of the STRING argument. In any case, > removing that property before calling 'buttonize' should be simple, > no? Agreed. >> I was thinking in not overwriting the help-echo property if the >> help-echo argument is nil. >> >> Currently, button--properties forces a value for the help-echo property. >> So it would be like: If it's nil, don't add the help-echo property to >> the property list at all, leaving a previous help-echo property >> untouched. > > Yes, and I believe the proposed patch (b) does something very similar? It does. > But I agree that not touching the help-echo is cleaner. OK, so let's wait for Kevin's patch to improve buttonize-region too.
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Wed, 19 Feb 2025 13:41:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <d9bfa3dc-1abe-4b4a-9d5f-ed54c6cda55e@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:41:38 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#61413: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign To: =?UTF-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkA=JpzKffHJdz5mJhSn2=MR0t++8UEDpSha1t36NfH-w@HIDDEN> <8734gj631r.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2o6z4b2zf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmdrtsfk.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldu2g4zb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zfiil7mm.fsf@HIDDEN> <86plje53jg.fsf@HIDDEN> <1c803dd0-2102-4ff2-8fab-e1e90f6d8b0f@HIDDEN> <87tt8pocek.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Language: en-US From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87tt8pocek.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61413 Cc: rudolf@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN, Hi-Angel@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> writes: > Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes: > >>> > ¹ https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=61413#39 >>> >>> Mauro, could you please help with reviewing the patches and >>> recommending which fix is in your opinion the best one? >>> >> >> I'd vote for (b), the fallback.patch. It improves the button >> library and doesn't require changes in client code. > > One concern I have with (b): might some clients rely on the current > behavior? An unconditional fallback would force them to remove that > text property themselves. I suspect they don't, but of course I can't be sure. If we don't want to risk it, then yes, I'd say (c) is the way to go. I don't like (a) very much because it's just a workaround. > I do not deal with buttons much so no intuition on existing practice; I > could see an argument for either behavior - "better some help message > than none" vs "better no help message than the wrong help message". > >> I think we'd like something similar for buttonize-region, so I wonder if >> it's not better to do the change inside button--properties, though. > > ACK to improve buttonize-region too. button--properties does not have > access to the information needed to get the fallback help-echo tho > (STRING for buttonize, START END for buttonize-region), are you thinking > of passing that fallback as a new argument, or have I missed something? I was thinking in not overwriting the help-echo property if the help-echo argument is nil. Currently, button--properties forces a value for the help-echo property. So it would be like: If it's nil, don't add the help-echo property to the property list at all, leaving a previous help-echo property untouched.
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Wed, 19 Feb 2025 13:25:07 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> To: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#61413: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign In-Reply-To: <1c803dd0-2102-4ff2-8fab-e1e90f6d8b0f@HIDDEN> References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkA=JpzKffHJdz5mJhSn2=MR0t++8UEDpSha1t36NfH-w@HIDDEN> <8734gj631r.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2o6z4b2zf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmdrtsfk.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldu2g4zb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zfiil7mm.fsf@HIDDEN> <86plje53jg.fsf@HIDDEN> <1c803dd0-2102-4ff2-8fab-e1e90f6d8b0f@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 22:25:07 +0100 Message-ID: <87tt8pocek.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61413 Cc: rudolf@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN, Hi-Angel@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes: >>> So while I do find the current warnings-suppress emoji less-than-ideal >>> aesthetically (as Stefan suggests, a theme-compliant SVG would look >>> better=C2=B9), I remain convinced that the primary *functional* problem= here >>> is that help-echo bug. >>> >>> (Which I sent patches for earlier=C2=B2; however, since no-one commente= d on >>> those AFAICT, I suppose I am in the minority in considering this an >>> immediate and obvious bug that needs addressing) >> >> There's been only 3 days since you sent the patch. We don't always >> have enough manpower to move so quickly, especially when the right way >> of fixing this is not clear, and you proposed 3 possible ways to >> choose from. (Right, apologies for the attitude. I was annoyed with myself for diluting the help-echo problem by suggesting unrelated changes to the 'symbol and 'text representations of warnings-suppress, and got worried that the former would go unaddressed. Wish I had been less heavy-handed in that parenthetical) >> > =C2=B9 https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D61413#39 >> >> Mauro, could you please help with reviewing the patches and >> recommending which fix is in your opinion the best one? >> > > I'd vote for (b), the fallback.patch.=C2=A0 It improves the button > library and doesn't require changes in client code. One concern I have with (b): might some clients rely on the current behavior? An unconditional fallback would force them to remove that text property themselves. I do not deal with buttons much so no intuition on existing practice; I could see an argument for either behavior - "better some help message than none" vs "better no help message than the wrong help message". > I think we'd like something similar for buttonize-region, so I wonder if > it's not better to do the change inside button--properties, though. ACK to improve buttonize-region too. button--properties does not have access to the information needed to get the fallback help-echo tho (STRING for buttonize, START END for buttonize-region), are you thinking of passing that fallback as a new argument, or have I missed something?
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Wed, 19 Feb 2025 09:49:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1c803dd0-2102-4ff2-8fab-e1e90f6d8b0f@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 14:49:33 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#61413: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, =?UTF-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkA=JpzKffHJdz5mJhSn2=MR0t++8UEDpSha1t36NfH-w@HIDDEN> <8734gj631r.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2o6z4b2zf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmdrtsfk.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldu2g4zb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zfiil7mm.fsf@HIDDEN> <86plje53jg.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Language: en-US From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <86plje53jg.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61413 Cc: rudolf@HIDDEN, Hi-Angel@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> Cc: rms@HIDDEN, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>, >> 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, >> Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> >> From: Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> >> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:24:17 +0100 >> >> Rudolf Adamkovič <rudolf@HIDDEN> writes: >> >> So while I do find the current warnings-suppress emoji less-than-ideal >> aesthetically (as Stefan suggests, a theme-compliant SVG would look >> better¹), I remain convinced that the primary *functional* problem here >> is that help-echo bug. >> >> (Which I sent patches for earlier²; however, since no-one commented on >> those AFAICT, I suppose I am in the minority in considering this an >> immediate and obvious bug that needs addressing) > > Mauro, could you please help with reviewing the patches and > recommending which fix is in your opinion the best one? > I'd vote for (b), the fallback.patch. It improves the button library and doesn't require changes in client code. I think we'd like something similar for buttonize-region, so I wonder if it's not better to do the change inside button--properties, though.
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Tue, 18 Feb 2025 23:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> To: Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= <rudolf@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#61413: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign In-Reply-To: <m2ldu2g4zb.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkA=JpzKffHJdz5mJhSn2=MR0t++8UEDpSha1t36NfH-w@HIDDEN> <8734gj631r.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2o6z4b2zf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmdrtsfk.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldu2g4zb.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:24:17 +0100 Message-ID: <87zfiil7mm.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61413 Cc: rms@HIDDEN, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>, 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D <rudolf@HIDDEN> writes: > K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> writes: >=20=20 >> Thought it bore mention since the present report is about bikeshedding >> the graphical representation of the warnings-suppress icon, whereas >> Rudolf's reply suggests - to me - a wider wish to be able to opt out of >> these representations: this is already solved. > > I apologize for not communicating more clearly. What I meant is the > following. While, I can opt out of the "emoji representation", I think > Emacs should always default to standard, discoverable, and accessible > controls. > > Say we sampled a group of 10 users, how many of them would know, without > further UI exploration, that the emoji is a button and what it does? If > fewer than 10, then we should ask, "why are we doing this" and stop. I don't know that I find "without further UI exploration" a useful condition: because of that help-echo bug, *no* amount of UI exploration can answer the question "what's this do?" anyway. So while I do find the current warnings-suppress emoji less-than-ideal aesthetically (as Stefan suggests, a theme-compliant SVG would look better=C2=B9), I remain convinced that the primary *functional* problem here is that help-echo bug. (Which I sent patches for earlier=C2=B2; however, since no-one commented on those AFAICT, I suppose I am in the minority in considering this an immediate and obvious bug that needs addressing) =C2=B9 Which we do use, when we find SVGs we find "good enough" for the job= - see icons defined in e.g. tab-bar.el, tab-line.el, auth-source.el. =C2=B9 https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D61413#39
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What I meant is the > following. While, I can opt out of the "emoji representation", I think > Emacs should always default to standard, discoverable, and accessible > controls. > > Say we sampled a group of 10 users, how many of them would know, without > further UI exploration, that the emoji is a button and what it does? If > fewer than 10, then we should ask, "why are we doing this" and stop. > > As for me, I think these emoji buttons are a bad idea to start with, let > alone to continue with, let alone work around the newly discovered > problems with them. Maybe we should make them look like the buttons in customize instead?
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I apologize for not communicating more clearly. What I meant is the following. While, I can opt out of the "emoji representation", I think Emacs should always default to standard, discoverable, and accessible controls. Say we sampled a group of 10 users, how many of them would know, without further UI exploration, that the emoji is a button and what it does? If fewer than 10, then we should ask, "why are we doing this" and stop. As for me, I think these emoji buttons are a bad idea to start with, let alone to continue with, let alone work around the newly discovered problems with them. Rudy --=20 "Logic is a science of the necessary laws of thought, without which no employment of the understanding and the reason takes place." --- Immanuel Kant, 1785 Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D <rudolf@HIDDEN> [he/him] http://adamkovic.org
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Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> writes:
>> In light of all this, how do we feel about the attached patch?=C2=A0 (FT=
R,
>> "=C3=97" displays fine in a Linux TTY here; I do not have a Windows
>> console
>> handy however so that patch might go overboard)
>
> "suppress" yes, but does this also replace "stop" emoji to " =C3=97 ", am=
I
> understanding that correctly? Why if so? To me such emoji doesn't seem
> to be any better than "stop".
To clarify, the patch you are commenting on does not change nor remove
the 'emoji presentation, only 'symbol (=E2=96=A0 to =C3=97, to address the =
default
console look; as Eli explains, needs refinement) and 'text ("stop" to
"suppress", per Robert's suggestion).
TBH, as far as I am concerned, the discussion re. presentation has been
eclipsed by the 'help-echo clobbering. So seeking thoughts on the 3
patches there:
<https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D61413#39>
<87a5amal2t.fsf@HIDDEN>
Regardless of presentation changes, ISTM we should restore the tooltip
on hovering and the message on 'C-h .'.
> I imagine, best solution is to just have a clear button labeled
> "suppress", as was discussed up-thread, and no one seem to have
> objected. It has no misinterpretation problem. It's just I don't know
> whether it would be complicated to implement=E2=80=A6
Two thoughts:
1. Unless I missed something, we *all* collectively missed a glaring
*functional* problem with that button: its help-echo string being
stripped. IMO we could give =E2=9B=94 a "second chance" in light of that.
2. Back to your point, if we deem that emoji irredeemable, the level of
complication depends on what implementation we choose:
(a) Punt to the users: tell them "set icon-preference to '(text)".
Trivial, but not user-friendly: *all* icons will be turned to text,
including those with intuitive graphical forms.
(b) Conclude that there are no satisfying graphical representations of
"warnings-suppress": drop all but the 'text representation of that
icon (in fact, just use a regular button instead of an "icon").
Simple enough, though maybe a regression for thos who think that =E2=9B=
=94 is
Fine=E2=84=A2.
(c) Extend icons.el to allow users to adjust representations *per
icon*. Punt to the users *after* giving them the tools to fine-tune
stuff; let folks who find =E2=9B=94 obscure set warnings-suppress to 'tex=
t or
remove the 'emoji representation.
Somewhat more involved.
No opinion myself. Again, my current focus is on restoring the
help-echo string; ISTM that recontextualizes the whole discussion. *Of
course* that button was obscure *regardless of presentation*: users had
no way of finding out what it does beside C-u C-x h.
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Why if so? To me such emoji doesn't seem to be any better than "stop". I imagine, best solution is to just have a clear button labeled "suppress", as was discussed up-thread, and no one seem to have objected. It has no misinterpretation problem. It's just I don't know whether it would be complicated to implement=E2=80=A6
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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> writes: > * A caveat for terminals: > > As Eli mentions, icons.el already knows to fall back to a suitable > representation on TTYs. In practice though, the Linux TTY can display a > few non-ASCII characters; as a result, here (6.13 if that matters) Emacs > falls back to warnings-suppress's _symbol_ representation=E2=80=A6 > > (symbol ,(if (and (eq system-type 'windows-nt) > (null window-system)) > " =C2=BB " > " =E2=96=A0 ")) ; =F0=9F=91=88 that one > > =E2=80=A6 which one could bikeshed too, if one were so inclined =F0=9F=AB= =A3 Over at bug#60854, I note that Robert mentioned: > Whilst you=CA=BCre changing stuff, the text should not be "stop", it shou= ld > be "suppress" or "ignore" or something. Referring to the current 'text presentation. In light of all this, how do we feel about the attached patch? (FTR, "=C3=97" displays fine in a Linux TTY here; I do not have a Windows console handy however so that patch might go overboard) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el index 8a5c73ebd3a..46fa9d521d7 100644 --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el @@ -214,12 +214,8 @@ warning-suppress-p (define-icon warnings-suppress button `((emoji "=E2=9B=94") - ;; Many MS-Windows console fonts don't have good glyphs for U+25A0. - (symbol ,(if (and (eq system-type 'windows-nt) - (null window-system)) - " =C2=BB " - " =E2=96=A0 ")) - (text " stop ")) + (symbol " =C3=97 ") + (text " suppress ")) "Suppress warnings." :version "29.1" :help-echo "Click to suppress this warning type") --=-=-=--
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K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> writes:
> 'buttonize' clobbers the help-echo property added by 'icon-string' =E2=98=
=B9=EF=B8=8F
> That does make the current emoji extra-obscure, since hovering over it
> gives no clue as to what it does!
>
> Solutions:
>
> (a) display-warning could retrieve the property from the string returned
> by icon-string, then spoon-feeding it back to buttonize,
> (b) buttonize could check whether its STRING argument has a help-echo
> property before clobbering it with nil,
> (c) we invent a sentinel value for buttonize's HELP-ECHO argument to
> mean "psst, STRING already has the right help-echo property; use that".
See attached patches. No intuition which is best; I guess (a) is the
least disruptive - no change in the semantics of 'buttonize'.
I wonder how critical we think finding a new graphical representation
for that button feels now, considering that once this is fixed,
mouse-hovering & C-h . will let users now what that button is for.
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diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
index 8a5c73ebd3a..4a2231e229d 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
@@ -319,9 +319,10 @@ display-warning
;; Don't output the button when doing batch compilation
;; and similar.
(unless (or noninteractive (eq type 'bytecomp))
- (insert (buttonize (icon-string 'warnings-suppress)
- #'warnings-suppress type)
- " "))
+ (let* ((string (icon-string 'warnings-suppress))
+ (help-echo (get-text-property 0 'help-echo string)))
+ (insert (buttonize string #'warnings-suppress type help-echo)
+ " ")))
(if warning-prefix-function
(setq level-info (funcall warning-prefix-function
level level-info)))
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diff --git a/lisp/button.el b/lisp/button.el
index 674de1bb4fa..81e36a956c0 100644
--- a/lisp/button.el
+++ b/lisp/button.el
@@ -641,12 +641,16 @@ buttonize
function argument. If DATA isn't present (or is nil), the button
itself will be used instead as the function argument.
-If HELP-ECHO, use that as the `help-echo' property.
+If HELP-ECHO is non-nil, use that as the `help-echo' property. If it is
+nil, use the `help-echo' property of STRING as a fallback.
Also see `buttonize-region'."
(let ((string
(apply #'propertize string
- (button--properties callback data help-echo))))
+ (button--properties
+ callback data
+ (or help-echo
+ (get-text-property 0 'help-echo string))))))
;; Add the face to the end so that it can be overridden.
(add-face-text-property 0 (length string) 'button t string)
string))
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index 674de1bb4fa..64227a678cd 100644
--- a/lisp/button.el
+++ b/lisp/button.el
@@ -641,12 +641,17 @@ buttonize
function argument. If DATA isn't present (or is nil), the button
itself will be used instead as the function argument.
-If HELP-ECHO, use that as the `help-echo' property.
+If HELP-ECHO is non-nil, use that as the `help-echo' property; as a
+special case, if it is the symbol `preserve', use the `help-echo'
+property of STRING.
Also see `buttonize-region'."
- (let ((string
- (apply #'propertize string
- (button--properties callback data help-echo))))
+ (let* ((help-echo (if (eq help-echo 'preserve)
+ (get-text-property 0 'help-echo string)
+ help-echo))
+ (string
+ (apply #'propertize string
+ (button--properties callback data help-echo))))
;; Add the face to the end so that it can be overridden.
(add-face-text-property 0 (length string) 'button t string)
string))
diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
index 8a5c73ebd3a..2bb5bc6cb46 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
@@ -320,7 +320,7 @@ display-warning
;; and similar.
(unless (or noninteractive (eq type 'bytecomp))
(insert (buttonize (icon-string 'warnings-suppress)
- #'warnings-suppress type)
+ #'warnings-suppress type 'preserve)
" "))
(if warning-prefix-function
(setq level-info (funcall warning-prefix-function
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Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D <rudolf@HIDDEN> writes:
>> (b) as Konstantin suggested, ditching pictograms entirely, and replacing
>> that icon with a regular text button clearly labeled "suppress"
>
> +1 for a standard, discoverable, and accessible button.
Thoughts prompted by this and rms's messages:
* A bona-fide bug:
display-warning *strips* the button's help-echo property:
(insert (buttonize (icon-string 'warnings-suppress)
#'warnings-suppress type)
'buttonize' clobbers the help-echo property added by 'icon-string' =E2=98=
=B9=EF=B8=8F
That does make the current emoji extra-obscure, since hovering over it
gives no clue as to what it does!
Solutions:
(a) display-warning could retrieve the property from the string returned
by icon-string, then spoon-feeding it back to buttonize,
(b) buttonize could check whether its STRING argument has a help-echo
property before clobbering it with nil,
(c) we invent a sentinel value for buttonize's HELP-ECHO argument to
mean "psst, STRING already has the right help-echo property; use that".
* A general remark:
For users to whom emoji presentation _in general_ is not accessible
enough, the icon-preference option can be set to 'text to always get "a
regular text button clearly labeled <something>".
Thought it bore mention since the present report is about bikeshedding
the graphical representation of the warnings-suppress icon, whereas
Rudolf's reply suggests - to me - a wider wish to be able to opt out of
these representations: this is already solved.
* A caveat for terminals:
As Eli mentions, icons.el already knows to fall back to a suitable
representation on TTYs. In practice though, the Linux TTY can display a
few non-ASCII characters; as a result, here (6.13 if that matters) Emacs
falls back to warnings-suppress's _symbol_ representation=E2=80=A6
(symbol ,(if (and (eq system-type 'windows-nt)
(null window-system))
" =C2=BB "
" =E2=96=A0 ")) ; =F0=9F=91=88 that one
=E2=80=A6 which one could bikeshed too, if one were so inclined =F0=9F=AB=A3
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>>>>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:21:52 +0100, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec <kevin.lego=
uguec@HIDDEN> said:
K=C3=A9vin> Given the purpose of the button (_suppress_ the warning, no=
t merely
K=C3=A9vin> report it) & Konstantin's remark=C2=B9 about the intuitive =
connotations of
K=C3=A9vin> red, ISTM
K=C3=A9vin> (a) adding an 'image' icon presentation using a neutral-col=
ored SVG, or
K=C3=A9vin> (b) as Konstantin suggested, ditching pictograms entirely, =
and replacing
K=C3=A9vin> that icon with a regular text button clearly labeled "suppr=
ess",
K=C3=A9vin> would be preferable to s/=E2=9B=94/=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F: I wo=
uld not expect users to intuit that
K=C3=A9vin> they can suppress warnings by interacting with the warning =
sign.
We=CA=BCd be back at the original implementation then =F0=9F=99=82
I=CA=BCm in favour of that, but I=CA=BCm not neutral here.
Robert
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Let's use >> instead a "warning" emoji, which is typically shown in yellow color and >> doesn't look as if immediate attention is needed. >> >> * lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el (warnings-suppress): replace stop-sign emo= ji >> with a warning emoji. >> --- >> lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el | 2 +- >> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) >> >> diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el >> index 31b840d6c83..3f18ed89808 100644 >> --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el >> +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el >> @@ -204,7 +204,7 @@ warning-suppress-p >> some-match)) >> >> (define-icon warnings-suppress button >> - `((emoji "=E2=9B=94") >> + `((emoji "=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F") >> ;; Many MS-Windows console fonts don't have good glyphs for U+25A0. >> (symbol ,(if (and (eq system-type 'windows-nt) >> (null window-system)) > > This definitely risks going deep into bikeshedding territory, but in my > view, the Unicode code point "WARNING SIGN" is clearly the better > choice, as it directly conveys a warning. > > The Unicode code point "NO ENTRY", meanwhile, is just completely > incomprehensible. No entry to what? > > Can we install this? Given the purpose of the button (_suppress_ the warning, not merely report it) & Konstantin's remark=C2=B9 about the intuitive connotations of red, ISTM (a) adding an 'image' icon presentation using a neutral-colored SVG, or (b) as Konstantin suggested, ditching pictograms entirely, and replacing that icon with a regular text button clearly labeled "suppress", would be preferable to s/=E2=9B=94/=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F: I would not expect u= sers to intuit that they can suppress warnings by interacting with the warning sign. =C2=B9 Filed under bug#60854 after the merge, FTR.
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Let's use > instead a "warning" emoji, which is typically shown in yellow color and > doesn't look as if immediate attention is needed. > > * lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el (warnings-suppress): replace stop-sign emoj= i > with a warning emoji. > --- > lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el | 2 +- > 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) > > diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el > index 31b840d6c83..3f18ed89808 100644 > --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el > +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el > @@ -204,7 +204,7 @@ warning-suppress-p > some-match)) > =0C > (define-icon warnings-suppress button > - `((emoji "=E2=9B=94") > + `((emoji "=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F") > ;; Many MS-Windows console fonts don't have good glyphs for U+25A0. > (symbol ,(if (and (eq system-type 'windows-nt) > (null window-system)) This definitely risks going deep into bikeshedding territory, but in my view, the Unicode code point "WARNING SIGN" is clearly the better choice, as it directly conveys a warning. The Unicode code point "NO ENTRY", meanwhile, is just completely incomprehensible. No entry to what? Can we install this?
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Full text available.Received: (at 61413) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2023 10:36:54 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 11 05:36:54 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38997 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pQnFV-00050k-Or for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2023 05:36:54 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44338) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pQnFT-00050U-Mm; Sat, 11 Feb 2023 05:36:52 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pQnFO-0005sC-Er; Sat, 11 Feb 2023 05:36:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=8JQAQjtII8Wb8OWIu09XENoXMcKZCoQGhTeJmaAs8XQ=; b=E7wX2DWb/B4X 8CkZpRJoOTKZ+wAt43dNJuGt3OINgpi3SlW0sj6XgHGwoH7FW7/QIszMjLk4WmIVn9gm9ASlowsbn HgfEe9HlAcw23tF6gEfhm7nDLwAJNRi8wLALBDGq5NFlAMEYbpQMd9353xtFWAnvy6KEq1zmnQz4a mu+GGTLJwHabU9/hqZjQ2U85Q6iW4FJxJ71wBBez1qle551vEZcdmGgHlW14AryeZ2WxxtG5urjTJ QmaSncCZEOowrZriAjZD1XZIaYqYPxRdbMEQDP/XJ4FOCDPDldE4caE6SXfRvhzRVW5k/sb5HPf/d pPbrwjIJYkSmxR6nyvwPYw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pQnFN-0005vI-Tj; Sat, 11 Feb 2023 05:36:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 12:36:13 +0200 Message-Id: <83h6vsjxpe.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> (message from Konstantin Kharlamov on Sat, 11 Feb 2023 11:45:59 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#61413: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61413 Cc: 61413 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) merge 61413 60854 thanks > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> > Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 11:45:59 +0300 > > Stop-sign emoji is confusing in context of warnings, because it > typically has red color, and looks like there was some error. Let's use > instead a "warning" emoji, which is typically shown in yellow color and > doesn't look as if immediate attention is needed. This is a duplicate of bug#60854: you are misinterpreting the purpose of the Emoji here.
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Subject: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign
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Stop-sign emoji is confusing in context of warnings, because it
typically has red color, and looks like there was some error. Let's use
instead a "warning" emoji, which is typically shown in yellow color and
doesn't look as if immediate attention is needed.
* lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el (warnings-suppress): replace stop-sign emoji
with a warning emoji.
---
lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el | 2 +-
1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
index 31b840d6c83..3f18ed89808 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
@@ -204,7 +204,7 @@ warning-suppress-p
some-match))
(define-icon warnings-suppress button
- `((emoji "⛔")
+ `((emoji "⚠️")
;; Many MS-Windows console fonts don't have good glyphs for U+25A0.
(symbol ,(if (and (eq system-type 'windows-nt)
(null window-system))
--
2.39.0
Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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