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>>>>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 07:51:19 +0100, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec <kevin.lego=
uguec@HIDDEN> said:
K=C3=A9vin> Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes:
>> On 1/17/2023 2:19 PM, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec wrote:
>>> Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes:
>>>> Perhaps a bit better would be =F0=9F=9A=AB, whose official name is=
apparently "No Entry
>>>> Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just means "N=
o ____",
>>>> e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited emoj=
i.
>>> (My =C2=A22: wouldn't a cross mark (=E2=9D=8C) also work to convey =
the idea of
>>> "suppressing" something?)
>>=20
>> That would work too. I still like turning this into a toggle button =
where the
>> icon shows the current state (i.e. is it an active warning - =E2=9A=
=A0=EF=B8=8F - or has it been
>> suppressed - =E2=9A=AC). But changing to =F0=9F=9A=AB or =E2=9D=8C w=
ould be single-character patches,
>> which is nice too.
K=C3=A9vin> Sure, the toggle sounds like a nice idea regardless, since =
IIUC right
K=C3=A9vin> now a user has to go through Customize to take warnings off=
either
K=C3=A9vin> warning-suppress-*types.
K=C3=A9vin> (Sorry for the idle musing, this is the first time I look a=
t what knobs
K=C3=A9vin> warnings.el lets the user tweak.
K=C3=A9vin> As things stand, if a user doesn't want to completely igno=
re a warning,
K=C3=A9vin> their only choices seem to be "pop *Warnings*" or "meh, tu=
ck it in
K=C3=A9vin> *Warnings* but don't pop; hopefully I'll remember to check=
that buffer
K=C3=A9vin> someday", is that correct?
Yes
K=C3=A9vin> Might be nice to have further options for "suppression", e=
.g.=E2=80=A6
K=C3=A9vin> "don't pop the *Warnings* buffer, but display in echo area=
", or
K=C3=A9vin> "=E2=80=A6 but add a modeli=
ne indicator"
K=C3=A9vin> =E2=80=A6 but that's its own feature request)
Sure. Just don=CA=BCt turn that on by default :-)
>>> The new icons.el that comes with Emacs 29 would be a prime candidat=
e for
>>> implementing this, right? It has the advantage of giving the user =
some
>>> degree of control via icon-preference.
>>=20
>> Yup, the icon we have today is implemented via icons.el:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF (define-icon warnings-suppress button
>> '((emoji "=E2=9B=94")
>> (symbol " =E2=96=A0 ")
>> (text " stop "))
>> "Suppress warnings."
>> :version "29.1"
>> :help-echo "Click to suppress this warning type")
K=C3=A9vin> (Ah, great, so we're only missing an 'image entry for that =
one. Just a
K=C3=A9vin> trivial matter of choosing what the image should look like =
then =F0=9F=98=81)
Whilst you=CA=BCre changing stuff, the text should not be "stop", it should
be "suppress" or "ignore" or something.
Robert
--=20
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Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes:
> On 1/17/2023 2:19 PM, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec wrote:
>> Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes:
>>> Perhaps a bit better would be =F0=9F=9A=AB, whose official name is appa=
rently "No Entry
>>> Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just means "No ___=
_",
>>> e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited emoji.
>> (My =C2=A22: wouldn't a cross mark (=E2=9D=8C) also work to convey the i=
dea of
>> "suppressing" something?)
>
> That would work too. I still like turning this into a toggle button where=
the
> icon shows the current state (i.e. is it an active warning - =E2=9A=A0=EF=
=B8=8F - or has it been
> suppressed - =E2=9A=AC). But changing to =F0=9F=9A=AB or =E2=9D=8C would =
be single-character patches,
> which is nice too.
Sure, the toggle sounds like a nice idea regardless, since IIUC right
now a user has to go through Customize to take warnings off either
warning-suppress-*types.
(Sorry for the idle musing, this is the first time I look at what knobs
warnings.el lets the user tweak.
As things stand, if a user doesn't want to completely ignore a warning,
their only choices seem to be "pop *Warnings*" or "meh, tuck it in
*Warnings* but don't pop; hopefully I'll remember to check that buffer
someday", is that correct?
Might be nice to have further options for "suppression", e.g.=E2=80=A6
"don't pop the *Warnings* buffer, but display in echo area", or
"=E2=80=A6 but add a modeline indicator"
=E2=80=A6 but that's its own feature request)
>> The new icons.el that comes with Emacs 29 would be a prime candidate for
>> implementing this, right? It has the advantage of giving the user some
>> degree of control via icon-preference.
>
> Yup, the icon we have today is implemented via icons.el:
>
> =EF=BB=BF (define-icon warnings-suppress button
> '((emoji "=E2=9B=94")
> (symbol " =E2=96=A0 ")
> (text " stop "))
> "Suppress warnings."
> :version "29.1"
> :help-echo "Click to suppress this warning type")
(Ah, great, so we're only missing an 'image entry for that one. Just a
trivial matter of choosing what the image should look like then =F0=9F=98=
=81)
Thanks for the answers =F0=9F=99=8F
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On 1/17/2023 2:19 PM, Kévin Le Gouguec wrote:
> Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Perhaps a bit better would be 🚫, whose official name is apparently "No Entry
>> Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just means "No ____",
>> e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited emoji.
>
> (My ¢2: wouldn't a cross mark (❌) also work to convey the idea of
> "suppressing" something?)
That would work too. I still like turning this into a toggle button
where the icon shows the current state (i.e. is it an active warning -
⚠️ - or has it been suppressed - ⚬). But changing to 🚫 or ❌ would be
single-character patches, which is nice too.
> The new icons.el that comes with Emacs 29 would be a prime candidate for
> implementing this, right? It has the advantage of giving the user some
> degree of control via icon-preference.
Yup, the icon we have today is implemented via icons.el:
(define-icon warnings-suppress button
'((emoji "⛔")
(symbol " ■ ")
(text " stop "))
"Suppress warnings."
:version "29.1"
:help-echo "Click to suppress this warning type")
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Don't go this way because there's= a > problem ahead." > > Perhaps a bit better would be =F0=9F=9A=AB, whose official name is appare= ntly "No Entry > Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just means "No ____", > e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited emoji. (My =C2=A22: wouldn't a cross mark (=E2=9D=8C) also work to convey the idea= of "suppressing" something?) > We could also add actual images for this icon if none of these are quite = right, > and use the emoji as a fallback. The new icons.el that comes with Emacs 29 would be a prime candidate for implementing this, right? It has the advantage of giving the user some degree of control via icon-preference.
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Don't go this way becau= se there's a problem ahead." >=20 > Perhaps a bit better would be =F0=9F=9A=AB, whose official name is apparen= tly "No Entry Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just mean= s "No ____", e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited e= moji. >=20 > Another way to handle the UI (which I see more often, and personally prefe= r) is that the button is a toggle, and its icon indicates the current state.= This would require adding a bit of code so that clicking the button again *= un*suppresses the warning, but then you could use something like =E2=9A=A0=EF= =B8=8F to indicate that the warning is currently enabled (and clicking it wi= ll suppress it), and maybe =E2=9A=AA or =E2=9A=AC to indicate that the warni= ng is currently suppressed (and clicking it will reenable it). Or maybe =E2=9D= =97 and =E2=9D=95, respectively? >=20 > We could also add actual images for this icon if none of these are quite r= ight, and use the emoji as a fallback.
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I think the confusion is that the literal meaning of the ⛔ icon is "No Entry", so it's very easy to read it as, "Stop! Don't go this way because there's a problem ahead." Perhaps a bit better would be 🚫, whose official name is apparently "No Entry Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just means "No ____", e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited emoji. Another way to handle the UI (which I see more often, and personally prefer) is that the button is a toggle, and its icon indicates the current state. This would require adding a bit of code so that clicking the button again *un*suppresses the warning, but then you could use something like ⚠️ to indicate that the warning is currently enabled (and clicking it will suppress it), and maybe ⚪ or ⚬ to indicate that the warning is currently suppressed (and clicking it will reenable it). Or maybe ❗ and ❕, respectively? We could also add actual images for this icon if none of these are quite right, and use the emoji as a fallback.
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I don't > mind showing =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F as the icon for that button, indeed. > --=20 Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --000000000000d2dadb05f260a477 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, it would create less confusion IMvvvHO<div><br></div>= <div>Thanks, /PA</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"= class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 at 10:58, Daniel Mart=C3=ADn <= <a href=3D"mailto:mardani29@HIDDEN">mardani29@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br>= </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b= order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Pedro Andres Aranda= Gutierrez <<a href=3D"mailto:paaguti@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">paagu= ti@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> <br> > Currently, warnings are visually "enhanced" with a =E2=9B=94= sign.<br> > However, the warning signs are =EF=BB=BF=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F or its slig= htly different European<br> > version.<br> <br> I had the same question as you, but it turns out that the =E2=9B=94 icon is= not<br> intended to represent a warning, it is a button that you can click to<br> *suppress* that warning type.<br> <br> Perhaps we can choose a different Emoji to avoid confusion.=C2=A0 I don'= ;t<br> mind showing =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F as the icon for that button, indeed.<br> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"= class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div= >Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,<br></div>Fragen sind da um = gestellt zu werden<br></div>Georg Kreisler</div><div><br></div><div>Headach= es with a Juju log:</div><div>unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.u= niter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't = yet<br><br></div></div></div></div> --000000000000d2dadb05f260a477--
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However, the warning signs are =EF=BB=BF=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F or its slightly = different European version. --=20 Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --00000000000009c2bd05f25ca1d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Currently, warnings are visually "enhanced"= with a =E2=9B=94 sign. <br></div><div>However, the warning signs are =EF= =BB=BF=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F or its slightly different European version. <br></= div><div><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartma= il=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Fra= gen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,<br></div>Fragen sind da um gest= ellt zu werden<br></div>Georg Kreisler</div><div><br></div><div>Headaches w= ith a Juju log:</div><div>unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.unite= r.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet<= br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div> --00000000000009c2bd05f25ca1d9--
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