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Hi:

I just found that ffap-other-window ignores when ffap-require-prefix is
non-nil.

Looking at the code it seems to be that find-file-at-point has:

(and (called-interactively-p 'interactive)
     (if ffap-require-prefix (not current-prefix-arg)
	 current-prefix-arg))

but ffap-other-window calls find-file-at-point no interactively. Same
for ffap-other-frame, ffap-other-tab and so on...

I am not sure if the (called-interactively-p 'interactive) test is
actually needed in the first place, but I could be wrong. Is this
intended?

Best,
Ergus



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> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 03:45:30 +0100
> From:  Ergus via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>
> 
> I just found that ffap-other-window ignores when ffap-require-prefix is
> non-nil.
> 
> Looking at the code it seems to be that find-file-at-point has:
> 
> (and (called-interactively-p 'interactive)
>      (if ffap-require-prefix (not current-prefix-arg)
> 	 current-prefix-arg))
> 
> but ffap-other-window calls find-file-at-point no interactively. Same
> for ffap-other-frame, ffap-other-tab and so on...

What would be the point of supporting ffap-require-prefix when you
call ffap-other-window?  That variable controls whether to invoke
ffap-file-finder, which is not suitable for -other-window commands, I
think?  That is why, AFAIU, when not called interactively,
find-file-at-point doesn't call ffap-file-finder at all, and therefore
there's no point in heeding ffap-require-prefix.  Right?

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On February 19, 2023 10:21:02 AM GMT+01:00, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu=2Eorg>=
 wrote:
>> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 03:45:30 +0100
>> From:  Ergus via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu=2Eorg>
>>=20
>> I just found that ffap-other-window ignores when ffap-require-prefix is
>> non-nil=2E
>>=20
>> Looking at the code it seems to be that find-file-at-point has:
>>=20
>> (and (called-interactively-p 'interactive)
>>      (if ffap-require-prefix (not current-prefix-arg)
>> 	 current-prefix-arg))
>>=20
>> but ffap-other-window calls find-file-at-point no interactively=2E Same
>> for ffap-other-frame, ffap-other-tab and so on=2E=2E=2E
>
>What would be the point of supporting ffap-require-prefix when you
>call ffap-other-window?  That variable controls whether to invoke
>ffap-file-finder, which is not suitable for -other-window commands, I
>think?  That is why, AFAIU, when not called interactively,
>find-file-at-point doesn't call ffap-file-finder at all, and therefore
>there's no point in heeding ffap-require-prefix=2E  Right?

Hi Eli:

Yes, that's what I expect, but it is actually offering the completion when=
 using the other-window alternative=2E


Just:

emacs -Q
M-x ffap-bindings
M-: (setq ffap-require-prefix t)
Write /somedir

C-x C-f  (you see: ~/)

But=20

C-x 4 f (you see /somedir)

This seems to be related with the ffap-prompter called before the switch t=
hen?

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> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 11:09:04 +0100
> From: Ergus <spacibba@HIDDEN>
> CC: 61613 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> emacs -Q
> M-x ffap-bindings
> M-: (setq ffap-require-prefix t)
> Write /somedir
> 
> C-x C-f  (you see: ~/)
> 
> But 
> 
> C-x 4 f (you see /somedir)
> 
> This seems to be related with the ffap-prompter called before the switch then?

Yes, I think so.

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On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 12:15:49PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 11:09:04 +0100
>> From: Ergus <spacibba@HIDDEN>
>> CC: 61613 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> emacs -Q
>> M-x ffap-bindings
>> M-: (setq ffap-require-prefix t)
>> Write /somedir
>>
>> C-x C-f  (you see: ~/)
>>
>> But
>>
>> C-x 4 f (you see /somedir)
>>
>> This seems to be related with the ffap-prompter called before the switch then?
>
>Yes, I think so.

Hi Eli:

So, what do you think? The fix may be to put the ffap-require-prefix
condition in ffap-read-file-or-url directly or in ffap-prompter??

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BTW:

Looking at the ffap code I think some minor update/cleanup will be
beneficial any-way.

Nothing very drastic, for example, isn't more consistent to make
ffap-bindings a minor mode to allow load and unload? Or use the
"interactive" in find-file-at-point to simplify the initial conditions
there and remove the optional? Or update the global-set-key to use the
new keymap-set thing? Or add autoload decorators to the interactive
functions?

WDYT?




On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 12:15:49PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 11:09:04 +0100
>> From: Ergus <spacibba@HIDDEN>
>> CC: 61613 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> emacs -Q
>> M-x ffap-bindings
>> M-: (setq ffap-require-prefix t)
>> Write /somedir
>>
>> C-x C-f  (you see: ~/)
>>
>> But
>>
>> C-x 4 f (you see /somedir)
>>
>> This seems to be related with the ffap-prompter called before the switch then?
>
>Yes, I think so.

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> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 22:32:55 +0100
> From: Ergus <spacibba@HIDDEN>
> Cc: 61613 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 12:15:49PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 11:09:04 +0100
> >> From: Ergus <spacibba@HIDDEN>
> >> CC: 61613 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >>
> >> emacs -Q
> >> M-x ffap-bindings
> >> M-: (setq ffap-require-prefix t)
> >> Write /somedir
> >>
> >> C-x C-f  (you see: ~/)
> >>
> >> But
> >>
> >> C-x 4 f (you see /somedir)
> >>
> >> This seems to be related with the ffap-prompter called before the switch then?
> >
> >Yes, I think so.
> 
> Hi Eli:
> 
> So, what do you think? The fix may be to put the ffap-require-prefix
> condition in ffap-read-file-or-url directly or in ffap-prompter??

I don't understand what you want to achieve by that, so please
elaborate.  ffap-file-finder's default value is a command that doesn't
display the file in another window, so how will ffap-require-prefix
help here?

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> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 22:43:26 +0100
> From: Ergus <spacibba@HIDDEN>
> Cc: 61613 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Looking at the ffap code I think some minor update/cleanup will be
> beneficial any-way.
> 
> Nothing very drastic, for example, isn't more consistent to make
> ffap-bindings a minor mode to allow load and unload? Or use the
> "interactive" in find-file-at-point to simplify the initial conditions
> there and remove the optional? Or update the global-set-key to use the
> new keymap-set thing? Or add autoload decorators to the interactive
> functions?
> 
> WDYT?

It's hard to say without seeing the code you have in mind.  Please
post a patch, and let's take it from there.

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On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 02:50:18PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 22:32:55 +0100
>> From: Ergus <spacibba@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: 61613 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 12:15:49PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> >> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 11:09:04 +0100
>> >> From: Ergus <spacibba@HIDDEN>
>> >> CC: 61613 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> >>
>> >> emacs -Q
>> >> M-x ffap-bindings
>> >> M-: (setq ffap-require-prefix t)
>> >> Write /somedir
>> >>
>> >> C-x C-f  (you see: ~/)
>> >>
>> >> But
>> >>
>> >> C-x 4 f (you see /somedir)
>> >>
>> >> This seems to be related with the ffap-prompter called before the switch then?
>> >
>> >Yes, I think so.
>>
>> Hi Eli:
>>
>> So, what do you think? The fix may be to put the ffap-require-prefix
>> condition in ffap-read-file-or-url directly or in ffap-prompter??
>
>I don't understand what you want to achieve by that, so please
>elaborate.  ffap-file-finder's default value is a command that doesn't
>display the file in another window, so how will ffap-require-prefix
>help here?

 From the example above I expect that after:

(setq ffap-require-prefix t)
C-x 4 f

You see ~/ instead of /somedir. Like when we do C-x C-f.

As I said before, ffap-prompter is causing this because it is called
before switching window.

So ffap-file-finder is actually called at point before going to another
window. And it does not have any ffap-require-prefix condition. My
question is actually that.

We need to put the ffap-require-prefix condition somewhere in
ffap-read-file-or-url or ffap-prompter. Because this problem happens
with the other-frame and other-tab variants as well.

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> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 16:49:15 +0100
> From: Ergus <spacibba@HIDDEN>
> Cc: 61613 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> >> So, what do you think? The fix may be to put the ffap-require-prefix
> >> condition in ffap-read-file-or-url directly or in ffap-prompter??
> >
> >I don't understand what you want to achieve by that, so please
> >elaborate.  ffap-file-finder's default value is a command that doesn't
> >display the file in another window, so how will ffap-require-prefix
> >help here?
> 
>  From the example above I expect that after:
> 
> (setq ffap-require-prefix t)
> C-x 4 f
> 
> You see ~/ instead of /somedir. Like when we do C-x C-f.

That's not what ffap-require-prefix does:

  (defcustom ffap-require-prefix nil
    "If set, reverses the prefix argument to `find-file-at-point'.
  This is nil so neophytes notice ffap.  Experts may prefer to disable
  ffap most of the time."

> As I said before, ffap-prompter is causing this because it is called
> before switching window.

So what we need is fix how the prompt is calculated, not what is the
meaning of the prefix arg.

> So ffap-file-finder is actually called at point before going to another
> window. And it does not have any ffap-require-prefix condition. My
> question is actually that.

Once again, calling ffap-file-finder in this case is WRONG!  We need a
function that visits the file in another window, and ffap-file-finder
doesn't.

IOW, you are talking about a very different change to
ffap-other-window.

> We need to put the ffap-require-prefix condition somewhere in
> ffap-read-file-or-url or ffap-prompter. Because this problem happens
> with the other-frame and other-tab variants as well.

I think we need to rewrite the interactive spec of those to do what
you want.  ffap-require-prefix is not related to this at all.

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