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[217.227.110.163]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x18-20020a170906805200b0097073f1ed84sm1695176ejw.4.2023.08.25.22.20.27 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 25 Aug 2023 22:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= <joaotavora@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65519: 30.0.50; [FR Eglot] keymaps for useful functions In-Reply-To: <87r0nrqx7w.fsf@HIDDEN> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vor?= =?utf-8?Q?a=22's?= message of "Fri, 25 Aug 2023 10:37:23 +0100") References: <m21qfrsjot.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r0nrqx7w.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 07:20:26 +0200 Message-ID: <m2v8d2e5wl.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65519 Cc: 65519 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora <joaotavora@HIDDEN> writes: > Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> writes: > >> There are some useful eglot functions that can currently only invoked >> with M-x, by default. I'm currently defining a keymap >> >> (define-keymap :prefix 'my-eglot-bindings >> "a" 'eglot-code-actions >> "f" 'eglot-format >> "h" 'eglot-inlay-hints-mode >> "r" 'eglot-rename) >> >> that I bind to a a prefix key in c-mode-common-hook. > > I think this is a fine way to go about it. > >> Feature request: Could eglot-mode do something like that? > > This request comes up often. The reason Eglot does this is partly > answered in the top bullet of eglot.el's description: > > ;; * Eglot's main job is to hook up the information that language > ;; servers offer via LSP to Emacs's UI facilities: Xref for > ;; definition-chasing, Flymake for diagnostics, Eldoc for at-point > ;; documentation, etc. Eglot's job is generally *not* to provide > ;; such a UI itself, though a small number of simple > ;; counter-examples do exist, e.g. in the `eglot-rename' command or > ;; the `eglot-inlay-hints-mode' minor mode. When a new UI is > ;; evidently needed, consider adding a new package to Emacs, or > ;; extending an existing one. > > So this is how Eglot wants to sell itself: to be a low-profile > middle-man between Emacs and LSP. It doesn't always work and people > understandibly want Eglot to be more of a front-man. > > I try to resist this temptation as much as possible because that leads > to bloat and duplicated functionality with idiosyncractic interfaces. Ok. > So I always push for other "standard" packages to provide the UI. But > as you can see in those 4 examples, I ended up being pragmatic and > putting the command in Eglot itself. > > But it's not unthinkable (in fact, it's desired I think and I've looked > into it) that 'eglot-format' simply dissolves into Emacs's longstanding > 'indent.el' machinery. And there's some talk of a "refactoring > interface" for Emacs in emacs-devel (I think). So that's where > 'eglot-code-actions' and 'eglot-rename' should really live. > > In short, I think it's OK to be pragmatic. Why not make a > eglot-bindings.el package? You mean making an ELPA package? Sorry, that's too much effort for me. Maybe someone else will do it.
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Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> writes:
> There are some useful eglot functions that can currently only invoked
> with M-x, by default. I'm currently defining a keymap
>
> (define-keymap :prefix 'my-eglot-bindings
> "a" 'eglot-code-actions
> "f" 'eglot-format
> "h" 'eglot-inlay-hints-mode
> "r" 'eglot-rename)
>
> that I bind to a a prefix key in c-mode-common-hook.
I think this is a fine way to go about it.
> Feature request: Could eglot-mode do something like that?
This request comes up often. The reason Eglot does this is partly
answered in the top bullet of eglot.el's description:
;; * Eglot's main job is to hook up the information that language
;; servers offer via LSP to Emacs's UI facilities: Xref for
;; definition-chasing, Flymake for diagnostics, Eldoc for at-point
;; documentation, etc. Eglot's job is generally *not* to provide
;; such a UI itself, though a small number of simple
;; counter-examples do exist, e.g. in the `eglot-rename' command or
;; the `eglot-inlay-hints-mode' minor mode. When a new UI is
;; evidently needed, consider adding a new package to Emacs, or
;; extending an existing one.
So this is how Eglot wants to sell itself: to be a low-profile
middle-man between Emacs and LSP. It doesn't always work and people
understandibly want Eglot to be more of a front-man.
I try to resist this temptation as much as possible because that leads
to bloat and duplicated functionality with idiosyncractic interfaces.
So I always push for other "standard" packages to provide the UI. But
as you can see in those 4 examples, I ended up being pragmatic and
putting the command in Eglot itself.
But it's not unthinkable (in fact, it's desired I think and I've looked
into it) that 'eglot-format' simply dissolves into Emacs's longstanding
'indent.el' machinery. And there's some talk of a "refactoring
interface" for Emacs in emacs-devel (I think). So that's where
'eglot-code-actions' and 'eglot-rename' should really live.
In short, I think it's OK to be pragmatic. Why not make a
eglot-bindings.el package?
Jo=C3=A3o
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[217.227.106.52]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l7-20020a170906938700b009a2235ed496sm606503ejx.141.2023.08.24.23.46.43 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 24 Aug 2023 23:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 30.0.50; [FR Eglot] keymaps for useful functions Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 08:46:42 +0200 Message-ID: <m21qfrsjot.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::629; envelope-from=gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN; helo=mail-ej1-x629.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) There are some useful eglot functions that can currently only invoked with M-x, by default. I'm currently defining a keymap (define-keymap :prefix 'my-eglot-bindings "a" 'eglot-code-actions "f" 'eglot-format "h" 'eglot-inlay-hints-mode "r" 'eglot-rename) that I bind to a a prefix key in c-mode-common-hook. Feature request: Could eglot-mode do something like that? In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 2, aarch64-apple-darwin22.6.0, NS appkit-2299.70 Version 13.5 (Build 22G74)) of 2023-08-24 built on Mini.fritz.box Repository revision: 53c07bd04bf59f63e49af2c626714bf3fdd03ad6 Repository branch: scratch/pkg Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2299 System Description: macOS 13.5
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