Received: (at 70432) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Apr 2024 14:19:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 18 10:19:33 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52694 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1rxSbr-0005Ql-0o for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:19:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44956) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rxSbn-0005Oh-GM for 70432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:19:29 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rxSbU-0000cy-Jl; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:19:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=9mTLX+bTJXvCD46U7NbOlGqLOSi04PomiY+PuP1ZihA=; b=JTkd/7uUqYxbZlThSbEw NbFEs9maMYuTscHumTFKVEybj/5MYMy5IUSV4qvyvC0d8Pjf1bqTXG+PK1DlacO6mgdkEozk1NmTb 6nRDvxpJvCarh5uFkSpMDCs5G13f0HVX/xnfJpr95yAw2VK/usrTnw86QL7vWQxKi5IYcE4hpSglV H4kyMQZt3NRetjtmM1aQMBZ9dENfFGE4K/3ApFEL47tQZtjBB8G84tftB3rrPbgXjXfCduMF+Ro2f qGiPZA4JHJxw4hxyekZz2npFS9NyLmcrpof2+S792ClWipicr2wLgSqD/22PsaHX9LDOFAsH98KWY eRMeZgzDrwUMpg==; Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 17:19:06 +0300 Message-Id: <867cgueoth.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <jwvzftqvkz2.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> (message from Stefan Monnier on Thu, 18 Apr 2024 09:51:54 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#70432: 30.0.50; C-h for help not working with C-h k References: <m28r1cigpn.fsf@HIDDEN> <86cyqmev55.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvzftqvkz2.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70432 Cc: gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, dmitry@HIDDEN, 70432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> > Cc: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN>, Dmitry > Gutov > <dmitry@HIDDEN>, 70432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 09:51:54 -0400 > > > Dmitry and Stefan, any better ideas? > > > > diff --git a/lisp/help.el b/lisp/help.el > > index d4e39f0..e6117ec 100644 > > --- a/lisp/help.el > > +++ b/lisp/help.el > > @@ -1049,6 +1049,9 @@ help--read-key-sequence > > (let ((enable-disabled-menus-and-buttons t) > > (cursor-in-echo-area t) > > (side-event nil) > > + ;; Showing the list of key sequences makes no sense when they > > + ;; asked about a key sequence. > > + (echo-keystrokes-help nil) > > saved-yank-menu) > > (unwind-protect > > (let (last-modifiers key-list) > > Loos OK to me, tho maybe it should be the other way around: we should > bind it to non-nil around those places where we know it makes sense? It's a user option, so I don't think that would be a good idea.
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> Dmitry and Stefan, any better ideas?
>
> diff --git a/lisp/help.el b/lisp/help.el
> index d4e39f0..e6117ec 100644
> --- a/lisp/help.el
> +++ b/lisp/help.el
> @@ -1049,6 +1049,9 @@ help--read-key-sequence
> (let ((enable-disabled-menus-and-buttons t)
> (cursor-in-echo-area t)
> (side-event nil)
> + ;; Showing the list of key sequences makes no sense when they
> + ;; asked about a key sequence.
> + (echo-keystrokes-help nil)
> saved-yank-menu)
> (unwind-protect
> (let (last-modifiers key-list)
Loos OK to me, tho maybe it should be the other way around: we should
bind it to non-nil around those places where we know it makes sense?
Stefan
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> From: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 09:36:04 +0200
>
> To reproduce
>
> 1. emacs -Q
> 2. C-h k C-x t
> 3. display says Press C-h for help
> 4. C-h
> => C-x t C-h is undefined
Because "C-x t C-h" is indeed undefined.
I think it makes no sense to tell users about C-h that shows the
available sequences when they already invoked a C-h command to ask
about a particular sequence. So the patch below seems to be in order.
Also, "C-h K" will need a similar treatment (which is complicated by
the fact that it uses (interactive "k")).
Dmitry and Stefan, any better ideas?
diff --git a/lisp/help.el b/lisp/help.el
index d4e39f0..e6117ec 100644
--- a/lisp/help.el
+++ b/lisp/help.el
@@ -1049,6 +1049,9 @@ help--read-key-sequence
(let ((enable-disabled-menus-and-buttons t)
(cursor-in-echo-area t)
(side-event nil)
+ ;; Showing the list of key sequences makes no sense when they
+ ;; asked about a key sequence.
+ (echo-keystrokes-help nil)
saved-yank-menu)
(unwind-protect
(let (last-modifiers key-list)
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C-h k C-x t 3. display says Press C-h for help 4. C-h => C-x t C-h is undefined In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin23.4.0, NS appkit-2487.50 Version 14.4.1 (Build 23E224)) of 2024-04-16 built on Pro.fritz.box Repository revision: 1be21dd95388037cfb71474a1fbd2a7d3583a80a Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2487 System Description: macOS 14.4.1
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