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Fri, 07 Jun 2024 03:32:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 12:32:58 +0200 Message-ID: <878qzhhwkl.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::130; envelope-from=rpluim@HIDDEN; helo=mail-lf1-x130.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) 'C-x 8 RET' will show Unicode names when it shows completions, which helps people find the complete name of the character they want to use. I have a patch to do something similar for 'C-h k' and 'C-h b' (for translated keys only), so you=CA=BCd get 'C-h k C-x 8 E' =3D> =E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E) Since the purpose of this is to provide more information by default in situations where people are searching for answers, I don=CA=BCt think this needs a configuration variable, unlike the analogous feaure in 'what-cursor-position'. (yes, people can hit 'C-u C-x =3D' in the *Help* buffer, but first they have to know about that). Patch to follow when I have the bug number. Robert --=20
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#71411: 30.0.50; Show Unicode names when describing translations Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 11:43:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.71411.B71411.17177605806043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 71411 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> Cc: 71411 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 71411-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B71411.17177605806043 (code B ref 71411); Fri, 07 Jun 2024 11:43:03 +0000 Received: (at 71411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jun 2024 11:43:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49638 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1sFXzn-0001ZO-Or for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:43:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37742) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sFXzj-0001YS-6E for 71411 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:42:56 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sFXSY-0007zx-6M; Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:08:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=w1c2NPKbEnkLgvhJiOnKZvLw9DSZn8PobKr3fmBgUNQ=; b=PwvONkylgVCwkymn1ZdG qdIuqTit01CuCtoJ58y7TwbcC2UlG8x4K5DfAaLIBToF9OtuKTRXqZEg7MWSUAeDY6OlUXdKIxSPR Lk+uUlrP1SiFPIJ+8agPz05ez9Dq2++SOrtUKOOxxm+6b+g5T2qi0yip6p2L/vpkrUJcCvyOLWKYB 7oYHfn/AT7fxcVu5h9lHrZPScQ9rlbm48S7Hd+0xmJf4fZ+2+15Zv1mrjKFV6BUGCbfNoEv3B/jL7 R/TBbUaKsSyNT0pdT8E24ZnCm98//s+qikxYa+jxUkauHrLkvMiAszimmeY8ATA0fEv/4gOrQFcSz Jo3I71KQWT3qnw==; Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:08:33 +0300 Message-Id: <86frtpf1se.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <878qzhhwkl.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Robert Pluim on Fri, 07 Jun 2024 12:32:58 +0200) References: <878qzhhwkl.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 12:32:58 +0200 > > > 'C-x 8 RET' will show Unicode names when it shows completions, which > helps people find the complete name of the character they want to use. > > I have a patch to do something similar for 'C-h k' and 'C-h b' (for > translated keys only), so youʼd get > > 'C-h k C-x 8 E' => > > € 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E) > > Since the purpose of this is to provide more information by default in > situations where people are searching for answers, I > donʼt think this needs a configuration variable, unlike the analogous > feaure in 'what-cursor-position'. (yes, people can hit 'C-u C-x =' in > the *Help* buffer, but first they have to know about that). Does this mean that if I type "C-h k a" I will be told that a is LATIN SMALL LETTER A? That'd be an annoyance, I think.
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That'd be an annoyance, I think. That=CA=BCs not a translated binding, so no. Let me attach the patches. Robert --=20 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Add-char-to-name-convenience-function.patch From 847d582f89110f8c2f0e88c1533ced0606970fba Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 12:05:34 +0200 Subject: [PATCH 1/3] Add 'char-to-name' convenience function To: emacs-devel@HIDDEN * lisp/international/mule-cmds.el (char-to-name): New function. This is the inverse of 'char-from-name'. * doc/lispref/nonascii.texi (Character Codes): Document it. * etc/NEWS: Announce it. --- doc/lispref/nonascii.texi | 5 +++++ etc/NEWS | 4 ++++ lisp/international/mule-cmds.el | 7 +++++++ 3 files changed, 16 insertions(+) diff --git a/doc/lispref/nonascii.texi b/doc/lispref/nonascii.texi index b33082e2b24..195b818c0bd 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/nonascii.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/nonascii.texi @@ -435,6 +435,11 @@ Character Codes @end example @end defun +@defun char-to-name char +This function returns the Unicode name of @var{char}. Returns +@code{nil} if @var{char} is not a character or has no Unicode name. +@end defun + @defun get-byte &optional pos string This function returns the byte at character position @var{pos} in the current buffer. If the current buffer is unibyte, this is literally diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS index 5fb1625a76c..c63e231f44f 100644 --- a/etc/NEWS +++ b/etc/NEWS @@ -2186,6 +2186,10 @@ it returns a short "unique" string that identifies the function. In either case, the string is propertized so clicking on it gives further details. +** New function 'char-to-name'. +This is a convenience function to return the Unicode name of a char (if +it has one). + ** New function 'cl-type-of'. This function is like 'type-of' except that it sometimes returns a more precise type. For example, for nil and t it returns 'null' diff --git a/lisp/international/mule-cmds.el b/lisp/international/mule-cmds.el index e80c42f523a..7d784ef3b1b 100644 --- a/lisp/international/mule-cmds.el +++ b/lisp/international/mule-cmds.el @@ -3183,6 +3183,13 @@ mule--ucs-names-group (script (and char (aref char-script-table char)))) (if script (symbol-name script) "ungrouped")))) +(defun char-to-name (char) + "Return the Unicode name for CHAR, if it has one, else nil. +Return nil if CHAR is not a character." + (and (characterp char) + (or (get-char-code-property char 'name) + (get-char-code-property char 'old-name)))) + (defun char-from-name (string &optional ignore-case) "Return a character as a number from its Unicode name STRING. If optional IGNORE-CASE is non-nil, ignore case in STRING. -- 2.39.2 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0002-Use-char-to-name.patch From 5ff4c3ac95d8dfcc172ad36f0ebd9c12443c9046 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 12:07:50 +0200 Subject: [PATCH 2/3] Use 'char-to-name' To: emacs-devel@HIDDEN * lisp/international/emoji.el (emoji--name): Lookup name using 'char-to-name'. * lisp/international/textsec.el (textsec-domain-suspicious-p): And here. * lisp/simple.el (what-cursor-position): And here. --- lisp/international/emoji.el | 2 +- lisp/international/textsec.el | 2 +- lisp/simple.el | 3 +-- 3 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/international/emoji.el b/lisp/international/emoji.el index 4f3aab5a6be..cbf7c547f4c 100644 --- a/lisp/international/emoji.el +++ b/lisp/international/emoji.el @@ -245,7 +245,7 @@ emoji--fontify-glyph (defun emoji--name (glyph) (or (gethash glyph emoji--names) - (get-char-code-property (aref glyph 0) 'name))) + (char-to-name (aref glyph 0)))) (defvar-keymap emoji-list-mode-map "RET" #'emoji-list-select diff --git a/lisp/international/textsec.el b/lisp/international/textsec.el index 4740dd81345..224363732fe 100644 --- a/lisp/international/textsec.el +++ b/lisp/international/textsec.el @@ -296,7 +296,7 @@ textsec-domain-suspicious-p "" (concat ": " (string char))) char - (get-char-code-property char 'name))))) + (char-to-name char))))) domain) ;; Does IDNA allow it? (unless (puny-highly-restrictive-domain-p domain) diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el index 68209eadc41..8d7e379b584 100644 --- a/lisp/simple.el +++ b/lisp/simple.el @@ -1827,8 +1827,7 @@ what-cursor-position (interactive "P") (let* ((char (following-char)) (char-name (and what-cursor-show-names - (or (get-char-code-property char 'name) - (get-char-code-property char 'old-name)))) + (char-to-name char))) (char-name-fmt (if char-name (format ", %s" char-name) "")) -- 2.39.2 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0003-Show-character-names-when-describing-translations.patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From a2adb11e15a60ad30741c6cd8c47f03b5b1a902e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 12:21:11 +0200 Subject: [PATCH 3/3] Show character names when describing translations To: emacs-devel@HIDDEN This implements Bug#71411. * lisp/help.el (help-key-description): Use 'char-to-name' to show the Unicode name of translated keys. (help--describe-command): And here. * etc/NEWS: Announce the change. --- etc/NEWS | 14 ++++++++++++++ lisp/help.el | 9 +++++++-- 2 files changed, 21 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS index c63e231f44f..66bc4d741ff 100644 --- a/etc/NEWS +++ b/etc/NEWS @@ -182,6 +182,20 @@ This user option controls outline visibility in the ou= tput buffer of *** 'C-h m' ('describe-mode') uses outlining by default. Set 'describe-mode-outline' to nil to get back the old behavior. =20 +*** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name. +For translated keys only, this will now show the Unicode name of the +translation, e.g. 'C-h k C-x 8 E' will now show + + =E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E) + +*** 'C-h b' ('describe-bindings') shows Unicode names. +For translated keys only, Unicode names will now be shown, i.e. + + A-! =C2=A1 INVERTED EXCLAMATION MARK + A-$ =C2=A4 CURRENCY SIGN + +and so on. + ** Outline mode =20 *** New commands to show/hide outlines by regexp. diff --git a/lisp/help.el b/lisp/help.el index 2feb178ff6c..878dd404256 100644 --- a/lisp/help.el +++ b/lisp/help.el @@ -883,7 +883,9 @@ help-key-description (let ((otherstring (help--key-description-fontified untranslated))) (if (equal string otherstring) string - (format "%s (translated from %s)" string otherstring)))))) + (if-let ((char-name (char-to-name (aref string 0)))) + (format "%s '%s' (translated from %s)" string char-name othe= rstring) + (format "%s (translated from %s)" string otherstring))))))) =20 (defun help--binding-undefined-p (defn) (or (null defn) (integerp defn) (equal defn #'undefined))) @@ -1664,7 +1666,10 @@ help--shadow-lookup (defun help--describe-command (definition &optional translation) (cond ((or (stringp definition) (vectorp definition)) (if translation - (insert (key-description definition nil) "\n") + (insert (concat (key-description definition nil) + (when-let ((char-name (char-to-name (aref def= inition 0)))) + (format "\t%s" char-name)) + "\n")) ;; These should be rare nowadays, replaced by `kmacro's. (insert "Keyboard Macro\n"))) ((keymapp definition) --=20 2.39.2 --=-=-=--
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:16:38 +0200 Robert Pluim wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:08:33 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: > > Eli> Does this mean that if I type "C-h k a" I will be told that a is LATIN > Eli> SMALL LETTER A? That'd be an annoyance, I think. [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [94.134.95.44 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.227.17.20 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [212.227.17.20 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (stephen.berman[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE No description available. -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:16:38 +0200 Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:08:33 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> sai= d: > > Eli> Does this mean that if I type "C-h k a" I will be told that a is= LATIN > Eli> SMALL LETTER A? That'd be an annoyance, I think. > > That=CA=BCs not a translated binding, so no. > > Let me attach the patches. [...] > diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS > index c63e231f44f..66bc4d741ff 100644 > --- a/etc/NEWS > +++ b/etc/NEWS > @@ -182,6 +182,20 @@ This user option controls outline visibility in the = output buffer of > *** 'C-h m' ('describe-mode') uses outlining by default. > Set 'describe-mode-outline' to nil to get back the old behavior. >=20=20 > +*** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name. > +For translated keys only, this will now show the Unicode name of the > +translation, e.g. 'C-h k C-x 8 E' will now show > + > + =E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E) How do you input 'C-h k C-x 8 E'? I can only input 'C-h k C-x 8 e'. (Also with 'C-x 8' typing 'E' (i.e. 'S-e') inputs 'e'). Steve Berman
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That'd be an annoyance, I think. >>=20 >> That=CA=BCs not a translated binding, so no. Eli> What is a "translated binding" or "translated key"? Without Eli> explaining that, at least the NEWS entries are not clear enough. It=CA=BCs anything that goes through `key-translation-map'. How about: -- >8 -- *** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name. For keybindings which produce single characters via translation (such as those using the 'C-x 8' prefix), 'C-h k' now shows the Unicode name of the produced character in addition to the character itself, e.g. 'C-h k C-x 8 E' =3D> =E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E) *** 'C-h b' ('describe-bindings') shows Unicode names. For keybindings which produce single characters via translation, the Unicode names will now be shown in addition to the character itself, i.e. A-! =C2=A1 INVERTED EXCLAMATION MARK A-$ =C2=A4 CURRENCY SIGN and so on. -- >8 -- Robert --=20
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Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rltb ([82.66.8.55]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5b1f17b1804b1-4215c2a6c9fsm54745965e9.28.2024.06.07.07.25.12 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:25:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87wmn0rgvu.fsf@HIDDEN> (Stephen Berman's message of "Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:01:41 +0200") References: <878qzhhwkl.fsf@HIDDEN> <86frtpf1se.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ja5hrrt.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmn0rgvu.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:25:12 +0200 Message-ID: <87v82khltj.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:01:41 +0200, Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gm= x.net> said: Stephen> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:16:38 +0200 Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.= com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:08:33 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN= > said: >>=20 Eli> Does this mean that if I type "C-h k a" I will be told that a is L= ATIN Eli> SMALL LETTER A? That'd be an annoyance, I think. >>=20 >> That=CA=BCs not a translated binding, so no. >>=20 >> Let me attach the patches. Stephen> [...] >> diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS >> index c63e231f44f..66bc4d741ff 100644 >> --- a/etc/NEWS >> +++ b/etc/NEWS >> @@ -182,6 +182,20 @@ This user option controls outline visibility in= the output buffer of >> *** 'C-h m' ('describe-mode') uses outlining by default. >> Set 'describe-mode-outline' to nil to get back the old behavior. >>=20 >> +*** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name. >> +For translated keys only, this will now show the Unicode name of the >> +translation, e.g. 'C-h k C-x 8 E' will now show >> + >> + =E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E) Stephen> How do you input 'C-h k C-x 8 E'? I can only input 'C-h k C-x= 8 e'. Stephen> (Also with 'C-x 8' typing 'E' (i.e. 'S-e') inputs 'e'). It=CA=BCs a binding I added to master on Monday. You can use 'C-h k C-x 8 * E' instead. Robert --=20
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Stephen> Oh, right, I forgot about that. Thanks. That=CA=BCs why I added 'C-x 8 E' =F0=9F=98=80 Robert --=20
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Content preview: On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:25:12 +0200 Robert Pluim wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:01:41 +0200, Stephen Berman > said: > > Stephen> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:16:38 +0200 Robert Pluim > Stephen> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:08:33 +0300, Eli Z [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [94.134.95.44 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [212.227.17.20 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.227.17.20 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (stephen.berman[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE No description available. -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:25:12 +0200 Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:01:41 +0200, Stephen Berman > <stephen.berman@HIDDEN> said: > > Stephen> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:16:38 +0200 Robert Pluim > Stephen> <rpluim@HIDDEN> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:08:33 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN= rg> said: > >>=20 > Eli> Does this mean that if I type "C-h k a" I will be told that a is= LATIN > Eli> SMALL LETTER A? That'd be an annoyance, I think. > >>=20 > >> That=CA=BCs not a translated binding, so no. > >>=20 > >> Let me attach the patches. > Stephen> [...] > >> diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS > >> index c63e231f44f..66bc4d741ff 100644 > >> --- a/etc/NEWS > >> +++ b/etc/NEWS > >> @@ -182,6 +182,20 @@ This user option controls outline visibility = in > >> the output buffer of > >> *** 'C-h m' ('describe-mode') uses outlining by default. > >> Set 'describe-mode-outline' to nil to get back the old behavior. > >>=20 > >> +*** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name. > >> +For translated keys only, this will now show the Unicode name of = the > >> +translation, e.g. 'C-h k C-x 8 E' will now show > >> + > >> + =E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E) > > Stephen> How do you input 'C-h k C-x 8 E'? I can only input 'C-h k C= -x 8 e'. > Stephen> (Also with 'C-x 8' typing 'E' (i.e. 'S-e') inputs 'e'). > > It=CA=BCs a binding I added to master on Monday. Ah, time to git pull again. > You can use > > 'C-h k C-x 8 * E' > > instead. Oh, right, I forgot about that. Thanks. Steve Berman
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#71411: 30.0.50; Show Unicode names when describing translations Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2024 13:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.71411.B71411.171785309319419 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 71411 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> Cc: 71411 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 71411-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B71411.171785309319419 (code B ref 71411); Sat, 08 Jun 2024 13:25:02 +0000 Received: (at 71411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jun 2024 13:24:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37870 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1sFw3x-000538-4z for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Jun 2024 09:24:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44306) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sFw3t-00052r-VL for 71411 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Jun 2024 09:24:51 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sFw3Y-0006PJ-LP; Sat, 08 Jun 2024 09:24:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=AofF/8fr3rasb1QNPCIhnSVEUUTLHe55Z6skIN6PcWQ=; b=YBlH7Dd3HsqNwXeutFGZ P3GhfIdO//vJwgyoGLapixnSXz1xVlRMJwUbCIotcpE+mSS2sLgyDDV44mV+8ySxyDtONeWwp4jWY s22ICQs2T0VR7SN3DcUyZW5KDwVSxeI+UV56DwWlbTCrSp+rbBjUWbfVETsaEKDzh6S2YuaU9IZ+B 6bfD1GEJ4uJNhawbPUwUDvkzGRo4v4k99MqIDkHYuuNMfU2umo/JiUV457OTad8fZ4hnPNRN9DWGH oUsTDwdkawlkZsl/gge5wjh2ZbQ1MFNYErsmjCpcyiWaw2ENk4Fx4HXxz7N0RXfsSH5FRZA939IAE FIhHJoeG3nhquA==; Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2024 16:24:08 +0300 Message-Id: <86a5jvd0uf.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87zfrwhmox.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Robert Pluim on Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:06:22 +0200) References: <878qzhhwkl.fsf@HIDDEN> <86frtpf1se.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ja5hrrt.fsf@HIDDEN> <864ja4g992.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zfrwhmox.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> > Cc: 71411 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:06:22 +0200 > > >>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:42:01 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said: > > Eli> What is a "translated binding" or "translated key"? Without > Eli> explaining that, at least the NEWS entries are not clear enough. > > Itʼs anything that goes through `key-translation-map'. How > about: > > -- >8 -- > *** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name. > For keybindings which produce single characters via translation (such as > those using the 'C-x 8' prefix), 'C-h k' now shows the Unicode name of > the produced character in addition to the character itself, e.g. Are there any other cases of "translated characters", besides "C-x 8"? If so, please mention one or two more. If there are no other examples, I'd remove "such as". Otherwise, LGTM; please install.
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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 16:24:08 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said: >> *** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name. >> For keybindings which produce single characters via translation (suc= h as >> those using the 'C-x 8' prefix), 'C-h k' now shows the Unicode name = of >> the produced character in addition to the character itself, e.g. Eli> Are there any other cases of "translated characters", besides "C-x= 8"? Eli> If so, please mention one or two more. If there are no other Eli> examples, I'd remove "such as". iso-transl.el is (almost) the only thing that uses `key-translation-map' (the other is 'double.el', but that=CA=BCs really niche). I can mention the other prefixes. -- >8 -- *** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name. For keybindings which produce single characters via translation (such as those using the 'C-x 8' or 'A-' prefix, or 'dead-acute', 'dead-grave', etc), 'C-h k' now shows the Unicode name of the produced character in addition to the character itself, e.g. 'C-h k C-x 8 E' =3D> =E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E) *** 'C-h b' ('describe-bindings') shows Unicode names. For keybindings which produce single characters via translation, the Unicode names will now be shown in addition to the character itself, i.e. A-! =C2=A1 INVERTED EXCLAMATION MARK A-$ =C2=A4 CURRENCY SIGN and so on. -- >8 -- Robert --=20
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For example: Eli> C-u C-\ cyrillic-translit RET Eli> C-h k z h =3D> Eli> =D0=B6 (translated from h =D0=B6) runs the command self-insert= -command I completely forgot to check input methods, it works there as well: =D0=B6 'CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ZHE' (translated from h =D0=B6) runs the = command self-insert-command (found in global-map), which is an interactive primitive-function in =E2=80=98C source code=E2=80=99. I=CA=BCll put that in the NEWS entry. Eli> (which, btw, uncovers a bug, since "h =D0=B6" is bogus and should = be "z h" Eli> instead). Right, but that=CA=BCs a separate issue. Robert --=20
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#71411: 30.0.50; Show Unicode names when describing translations Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 15:13:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.71411.B71411.171803234013879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 71411 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> Cc: 71411 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 71411-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B71411.171803234013879 (code B ref 71411); Mon, 10 Jun 2024 15:13:03 +0000 Received: (at 71411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jun 2024 15:12:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40742 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1sGgh1-0003bk-PA for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2024 11:12:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47768) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sGggv-0003Zs-1i for 71411 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2024 11:12:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sGeER-0007ym-Nu; Mon, 10 Jun 2024 08:34:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=uT9yqrYiw8c/5eqNShJkowmm/li7kKzwGr1Q3/IXj+0=; b=aqV7eXKTMlN1ST95W3vk 2Ww5lnC/BjUOZ31g793RYO4o4/jOdFe73lVuqgGVCXVnv/3Vgk3Pf77/Hc31IZBdmagOdsq7+5+uD FqtwY+VmWx6jcgwlf2mew/DPu0tMBbjxJYIGLVsxwM28pCE4KMSKYHKrxbVC9RfFTt31h59pQ3uLU kwaboiz7G+qqqFggI59Zin6gepRE+mqquFFw8U//qmrrJ8Y3RGwPAKD3J6eFrok+GP5X5o1ehZ/Ep FmLETK8coeotkEDEe3UdRu2IKQzg8+E/29+Q6wfJMHaVDcNaO7ScXP+86J7xrNzhI4PccaaILE29v aeTp+lwoRX5vIA==; Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 15:34:35 +0300 Message-Id: <86wmmx7z8k.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87msntgofo.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Robert Pluim on Mon, 10 Jun 2024 11:03:07 +0200) References: <878qzhhwkl.fsf@HIDDEN> <86frtpf1se.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ja5hrrt.fsf@HIDDEN> <864ja4g992.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zfrwhmox.fsf@HIDDEN> <86a5jvd0uf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87msntgofo.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> > Cc: 71411 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 11:03:07 +0200 > > >>>>> On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 16:24:08 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said: > > Eli> Are there any other cases of "translated characters", besides "C-x 8"? > Eli> If so, please mention one or two more. If there are no other > Eli> examples, I'd remove "such as". > > iso-transl.el is (almost) the only thing that uses > `key-translation-map' (the other is 'double.el', but thatʼs really > niche). I can mention the other prefixes. > > -- >8 -- > *** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name. > For keybindings which produce single characters via translation (such as > those using the 'C-x 8' or 'A-' prefix, or 'dead-acute', 'dead-grave', > etc), 'C-h k' now shows the Unicode name of the produced character in > addition to the character itself, e.g. > > 'C-h k C-x 8 E' => > > € 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E) > > *** 'C-h b' ('describe-bindings') shows Unicode names. > For keybindings which produce single characters via translation, the > Unicode names will now be shown in addition to the character itself, > i.e. > > A-! ¡ INVERTED EXCLAMATION MARK > A-$ ¤ CURRENCY SIGN > > and so on. What about characters produced by input methods? For example: C-u C-\ cyrillic-translit RET C-h k z h => ж (translated from h ж) runs the command self-insert-command (which, btw, uncovers a bug, since "h ж" is bogus and should be "z h" instead).
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