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> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>
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>
> >>>>> On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 16:24:08 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said:
>
> Eli> Are there any other cases of "translated characters", besides "C-x 8"?
> Eli> If so, please mention one or two more. If there are no other
> Eli> examples, I'd remove "such as".
>
> iso-transl.el is (almost) the only thing that uses
> `key-translation-map' (the other is 'double.el', but thatʼs really
> niche). I can mention the other prefixes.
>
> -- >8 --
> *** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name.
> For keybindings which produce single characters via translation (such as
> those using the 'C-x 8' or 'A-' prefix, or 'dead-acute', 'dead-grave',
> etc), 'C-h k' now shows the Unicode name of the produced character in
> addition to the character itself, e.g.
>
> 'C-h k C-x 8 E' =>
>
> € 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E)
>
> *** 'C-h b' ('describe-bindings') shows Unicode names.
> For keybindings which produce single characters via translation, the
> Unicode names will now be shown in addition to the character itself,
> i.e.
>
> A-! ¡ INVERTED EXCLAMATION MARK
> A-$ ¤ CURRENCY SIGN
>
> and so on.
What about characters produced by input methods? For example:
C-u C-\ cyrillic-translit RET
C-h k z h =>
ж (translated from h ж) runs the command self-insert-command
(which, btw, uncovers a bug, since "h ж" is bogus and should be "z h"
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>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 15:34:35 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said:
Eli> What about characters produced by input methods? For example:
Eli> C-u C-\ cyrillic-translit RET
Eli> C-h k z h =3D>
Eli> =D0=B6 (translated from h =D0=B6) runs the command self-insert=
-command
I completely forgot to check input methods, it works there as well:
=D0=B6 'CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ZHE' (translated from h =D0=B6) runs the =
command
self-insert-command (found in global-map), which is an interactive
primitive-function in =E2=80=98C source code=E2=80=99.
I=CA=BCll put that in the NEWS entry.
Eli> (which, btw, uncovers a bug, since "h =D0=B6" is bogus and should =
be "z h"
Eli> instead).
Right, but that=CA=BCs a separate issue.
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>>>>> On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 16:24:08 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said:
>> *** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name.
>> For keybindings which produce single characters via translation (suc=
h as
>> those using the 'C-x 8' prefix), 'C-h k' now shows the Unicode name =
of
>> the produced character in addition to the character itself, e.g.
Eli> Are there any other cases of "translated characters", besides "C-x=
8"?
Eli> If so, please mention one or two more. If there are no other
Eli> examples, I'd remove "such as".
iso-transl.el is (almost) the only thing that uses
`key-translation-map' (the other is 'double.el', but that=CA=BCs really
niche). I can mention the other prefixes.
-- >8 --
*** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name.
For keybindings which produce single characters via translation (such as
those using the 'C-x 8' or 'A-' prefix, or 'dead-acute', 'dead-grave',
etc), 'C-h k' now shows the Unicode name of the produced character in
addition to the character itself, e.g.
'C-h k C-x 8 E' =3D>
=E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E)
*** 'C-h b' ('describe-bindings') shows Unicode names.
For keybindings which produce single characters via translation, the
Unicode names will now be shown in addition to the character itself,
i.e.
A-! =C2=A1 INVERTED EXCLAMATION MARK
A-$ =C2=A4 CURRENCY SIGN
and so on.
-- >8 --
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> >>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:42:01 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said:
>
> Eli> What is a "translated binding" or "translated key"? Without
> Eli> explaining that, at least the NEWS entries are not clear enough.
>
> Itʼs anything that goes through `key-translation-map'. How
> about:
>
> -- >8 --
> *** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name.
> For keybindings which produce single characters via translation (such as
> those using the 'C-x 8' prefix), 'C-h k' now shows the Unicode name of
> the produced character in addition to the character itself, e.g.
Are there any other cases of "translated characters", besides "C-x 8"?
If so, please mention one or two more. If there are no other
examples, I'd remove "such as".
Otherwise, LGTM; please install.
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On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:25:12 +0200 Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:01:41 +0200, Stephen Berman
> <stephen.berman@HIDDEN> said:
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> Stephen> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:16:38 +0200 Robert Pluim
> Stephen> <rpluim@HIDDEN> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:08:33 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN=
rg> said:
> >>=20
> Eli> Does this mean that if I type "C-h k a" I will be told that a is=
LATIN
> Eli> SMALL LETTER A? That'd be an annoyance, I think.
> >>=20
> >> That=CA=BCs not a translated binding, so no.
> >>=20
> >> Let me attach the patches.
> Stephen> [...]
> >> diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
> >> index c63e231f44f..66bc4d741ff 100644
> >> --- a/etc/NEWS
> >> +++ b/etc/NEWS
> >> @@ -182,6 +182,20 @@ This user option controls outline visibility =
in
> >> the output buffer of
> >> *** 'C-h m' ('describe-mode') uses outlining by default.
> >> Set 'describe-mode-outline' to nil to get back the old behavior.
> >>=20
> >> +*** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name.
> >> +For translated keys only, this will now show the Unicode name of =
the
> >> +translation, e.g. 'C-h k C-x 8 E' will now show
> >> +
> >> + =E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E)
>
> Stephen> How do you input 'C-h k C-x 8 E'? I can only input 'C-h k C=
-x 8 e'.
> Stephen> (Also with 'C-x 8' typing 'E' (i.e. 'S-e') inputs 'e').
>
> It=CA=BCs a binding I added to master on Monday.
Ah, time to git pull again.
> You can use
>
> 'C-h k C-x 8 * E'
>
> instead.
Oh, right, I forgot about that. Thanks.
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>> You can use
>>=20
>> 'C-h k C-x 8 * E'
>>=20
>> instead.
Stephen> Oh, right, I forgot about that. Thanks.
That=CA=BCs why I added 'C-x 8 E' =F0=9F=98=80
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Subject: Re: bug#71411: 30.0.50; Show Unicode names when describing
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>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:01:41 +0200, Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gm=
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Stephen> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:16:38 +0200 Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.=
com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:08:33 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN=
> said:
>>=20
Eli> Does this mean that if I type "C-h k a" I will be told that a is L=
ATIN
Eli> SMALL LETTER A? That'd be an annoyance, I think.
>>=20
>> That=CA=BCs not a translated binding, so no.
>>=20
>> Let me attach the patches.
Stephen> [...]
>> diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
>> index c63e231f44f..66bc4d741ff 100644
>> --- a/etc/NEWS
>> +++ b/etc/NEWS
>> @@ -182,6 +182,20 @@ This user option controls outline visibility in=
the output buffer of
>> *** 'C-h m' ('describe-mode') uses outlining by default.
>> Set 'describe-mode-outline' to nil to get back the old behavior.
>>=20
>> +*** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name.
>> +For translated keys only, this will now show the Unicode name of the
>> +translation, e.g. 'C-h k C-x 8 E' will now show
>> +
>> + =E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E)
Stephen> How do you input 'C-h k C-x 8 E'? I can only input 'C-h k C-x=
8 e'.
Stephen> (Also with 'C-x 8' typing 'E' (i.e. 'S-e') inputs 'e').
It=CA=BCs a binding I added to master on Monday. You can use
'C-h k C-x 8 * E'
instead.
Robert
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>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 16:42:01 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said:
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>> Cc: 71411 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:16:38 +0200
>>=20
Eli> Does this mean that if I type "C-h k a" I will be told that a is L=
ATIN
Eli> SMALL LETTER A? That'd be an annoyance, I think.
>>=20
>> That=CA=BCs not a translated binding, so no.
Eli> What is a "translated binding" or "translated key"? Without
Eli> explaining that, at least the NEWS entries are not clear enough.
It=CA=BCs anything that goes through `key-translation-map'. How
about:
-- >8 --
*** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name.
For keybindings which produce single characters via translation (such as
those using the 'C-x 8' prefix), 'C-h k' now shows the Unicode name of
the produced character in addition to the character itself, e.g.
'C-h k C-x 8 E' =3D>
=E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E)
*** 'C-h b' ('describe-bindings') shows Unicode names.
For keybindings which produce single characters via translation, the
Unicode names will now be shown in addition to the character itself,
i.e.
A-! =C2=A1 INVERTED EXCLAMATION MARK
A-$ =C2=A4 CURRENCY SIGN
and so on.
-- >8 --
Robert
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On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:16:38 +0200 Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:08:33 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> sai=
d:
>
> Eli> Does this mean that if I type "C-h k a" I will be told that a is=
LATIN
> Eli> SMALL LETTER A? That'd be an annoyance, I think.
>
> That=CA=BCs not a translated binding, so no.
>
> Let me attach the patches.
[...]
> diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
> index c63e231f44f..66bc4d741ff 100644
> --- a/etc/NEWS
> +++ b/etc/NEWS
> @@ -182,6 +182,20 @@ This user option controls outline visibility in the =
output buffer of
> *** 'C-h m' ('describe-mode') uses outlining by default.
> Set 'describe-mode-outline' to nil to get back the old behavior.
>=20=20
> +*** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name.
> +For translated keys only, this will now show the Unicode name of the
> +translation, e.g. 'C-h k C-x 8 E' will now show
> +
> + =E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E)
How do you input 'C-h k C-x 8 E'? I can only input 'C-h k C-x 8 e'.
(Also with 'C-x 8' typing 'E' (i.e. 'S-e') inputs 'e').
Steve Berman
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Subject: Re: bug#71411: 30.0.50; Show Unicode names when describing
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>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:08:33 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said:
Eli> Does this mean that if I type "C-h k a" I will be told that a is L=
ATIN
Eli> SMALL LETTER A? That'd be an annoyance, I think.
That=CA=BCs not a translated binding, so no.
Let me attach the patches.
Robert
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From 847d582f89110f8c2f0e88c1533ced0606970fba Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 12:05:34 +0200
Subject: [PATCH 1/3] Add 'char-to-name' convenience function
To: emacs-devel@HIDDEN
* lisp/international/mule-cmds.el (char-to-name): New function. This is
the inverse of 'char-from-name'.
* doc/lispref/nonascii.texi (Character Codes): Document it.
* etc/NEWS: Announce it.
---
doc/lispref/nonascii.texi | 5 +++++
etc/NEWS | 4 ++++
lisp/international/mule-cmds.el | 7 +++++++
3 files changed, 16 insertions(+)
diff --git a/doc/lispref/nonascii.texi b/doc/lispref/nonascii.texi
index b33082e2b24..195b818c0bd 100644
--- a/doc/lispref/nonascii.texi
+++ b/doc/lispref/nonascii.texi
@@ -435,6 +435,11 @@ Character Codes
@end example
@end defun
+@defun char-to-name char
+This function returns the Unicode name of @var{char}. Returns
+@code{nil} if @var{char} is not a character or has no Unicode name.
+@end defun
+
@defun get-byte &optional pos string
This function returns the byte at character position @var{pos} in the
current buffer. If the current buffer is unibyte, this is literally
diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
index 5fb1625a76c..c63e231f44f 100644
--- a/etc/NEWS
+++ b/etc/NEWS
@@ -2186,6 +2186,10 @@ it returns a short "unique" string that identifies the function.
In either case, the string is propertized so clicking on it gives
further details.
+** New function 'char-to-name'.
+This is a convenience function to return the Unicode name of a char (if
+it has one).
+
** New function 'cl-type-of'.
This function is like 'type-of' except that it sometimes returns
a more precise type. For example, for nil and t it returns 'null'
diff --git a/lisp/international/mule-cmds.el b/lisp/international/mule-cmds.el
index e80c42f523a..7d784ef3b1b 100644
--- a/lisp/international/mule-cmds.el
+++ b/lisp/international/mule-cmds.el
@@ -3183,6 +3183,13 @@ mule--ucs-names-group
(script (and char (aref char-script-table char))))
(if script (symbol-name script) "ungrouped"))))
+(defun char-to-name (char)
+ "Return the Unicode name for CHAR, if it has one, else nil.
+Return nil if CHAR is not a character."
+ (and (characterp char)
+ (or (get-char-code-property char 'name)
+ (get-char-code-property char 'old-name))))
+
(defun char-from-name (string &optional ignore-case)
"Return a character as a number from its Unicode name STRING.
If optional IGNORE-CASE is non-nil, ignore case in STRING.
--
2.39.2
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From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 12:07:50 +0200
Subject: [PATCH 2/3] Use 'char-to-name'
To: emacs-devel@HIDDEN
* lisp/international/emoji.el (emoji--name): Lookup name using 'char-to-name'.
* lisp/international/textsec.el (textsec-domain-suspicious-p): And here.
* lisp/simple.el (what-cursor-position): And here.
---
lisp/international/emoji.el | 2 +-
lisp/international/textsec.el | 2 +-
lisp/simple.el | 3 +--
3 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
diff --git a/lisp/international/emoji.el b/lisp/international/emoji.el
index 4f3aab5a6be..cbf7c547f4c 100644
--- a/lisp/international/emoji.el
+++ b/lisp/international/emoji.el
@@ -245,7 +245,7 @@ emoji--fontify-glyph
(defun emoji--name (glyph)
(or (gethash glyph emoji--names)
- (get-char-code-property (aref glyph 0) 'name)))
+ (char-to-name (aref glyph 0))))
(defvar-keymap emoji-list-mode-map
"RET" #'emoji-list-select
diff --git a/lisp/international/textsec.el b/lisp/international/textsec.el
index 4740dd81345..224363732fe 100644
--- a/lisp/international/textsec.el
+++ b/lisp/international/textsec.el
@@ -296,7 +296,7 @@ textsec-domain-suspicious-p
""
(concat ": " (string char)))
char
- (get-char-code-property char 'name)))))
+ (char-to-name char)))))
domain)
;; Does IDNA allow it?
(unless (puny-highly-restrictive-domain-p domain)
diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
index 68209eadc41..8d7e379b584 100644
--- a/lisp/simple.el
+++ b/lisp/simple.el
@@ -1827,8 +1827,7 @@ what-cursor-position
(interactive "P")
(let* ((char (following-char))
(char-name (and what-cursor-show-names
- (or (get-char-code-property char 'name)
- (get-char-code-property char 'old-name))))
+ (char-to-name char)))
(char-name-fmt (if char-name
(format ", %s" char-name)
""))
--
2.39.2
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From a2adb11e15a60ad30741c6cd8c47f03b5b1a902e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 12:21:11 +0200
Subject: [PATCH 3/3] Show character names when describing translations
To: emacs-devel@HIDDEN
This implements Bug#71411.
* lisp/help.el (help-key-description): Use 'char-to-name' to show the
Unicode name of translated keys.
(help--describe-command): And here.
* etc/NEWS: Announce the change.
---
etc/NEWS | 14 ++++++++++++++
lisp/help.el | 9 +++++++--
2 files changed, 21 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
index c63e231f44f..66bc4d741ff 100644
--- a/etc/NEWS
+++ b/etc/NEWS
@@ -182,6 +182,20 @@ This user option controls outline visibility in the ou=
tput buffer of
*** 'C-h m' ('describe-mode') uses outlining by default.
Set 'describe-mode-outline' to nil to get back the old behavior.
=20
+*** 'C-h k' ('describe-key') shows Unicode name.
+For translated keys only, this will now show the Unicode name of the
+translation, e.g. 'C-h k C-x 8 E' will now show
+
+ =E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E)
+
+*** 'C-h b' ('describe-bindings') shows Unicode names.
+For translated keys only, Unicode names will now be shown, i.e.
+
+ A-! =C2=A1 INVERTED EXCLAMATION MARK
+ A-$ =C2=A4 CURRENCY SIGN
+
+and so on.
+
** Outline mode
=20
*** New commands to show/hide outlines by regexp.
diff --git a/lisp/help.el b/lisp/help.el
index 2feb178ff6c..878dd404256 100644
--- a/lisp/help.el
+++ b/lisp/help.el
@@ -883,7 +883,9 @@ help-key-description
(let ((otherstring (help--key-description-fontified untranslated)))
(if (equal string otherstring)
string
- (format "%s (translated from %s)" string otherstring))))))
+ (if-let ((char-name (char-to-name (aref string 0))))
+ (format "%s '%s' (translated from %s)" string char-name othe=
rstring)
+ (format "%s (translated from %s)" string otherstring)))))))
=20
(defun help--binding-undefined-p (defn)
(or (null defn) (integerp defn) (equal defn #'undefined)))
@@ -1664,7 +1666,10 @@ help--shadow-lookup
(defun help--describe-command (definition &optional translation)
(cond ((or (stringp definition) (vectorp definition))
(if translation
- (insert (key-description definition nil) "\n")
+ (insert (concat (key-description definition nil)
+ (when-let ((char-name (char-to-name (aref def=
inition 0))))
+ (format "\t%s" char-name))
+ "\n"))
;; These should be rare nowadays, replaced by `kmacro's.
(insert "Keyboard Macro\n")))
((keymapp definition)
--=20
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Full text available.Received: (at 71411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jun 2024 11:43:00 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 07 07:43:00 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49638 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1sFXzn-0001ZO-Or for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:43:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37742) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sFXzj-0001YS-6E for 71411 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:42:56 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sFXSY-0007zx-6M; Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:08:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=w1c2NPKbEnkLgvhJiOnKZvLw9DSZn8PobKr3fmBgUNQ=; b=PwvONkylgVCwkymn1ZdG qdIuqTit01CuCtoJ58y7TwbcC2UlG8x4K5DfAaLIBToF9OtuKTRXqZEg7MWSUAeDY6OlUXdKIxSPR Lk+uUlrP1SiFPIJ+8agPz05ez9Dq2++SOrtUKOOxxm+6b+g5T2qi0yip6p2L/vpkrUJcCvyOLWKYB 7oYHfn/AT7fxcVu5h9lHrZPScQ9rlbm48S7Hd+0xmJf4fZ+2+15Zv1mrjKFV6BUGCbfNoEv3B/jL7 R/TBbUaKsSyNT0pdT8E24ZnCm98//s+qikxYa+jxUkauHrLkvMiAszimmeY8ATA0fEv/4gOrQFcSz Jo3I71KQWT3qnw==; Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:08:33 +0300 Message-Id: <86frtpf1se.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <878qzhhwkl.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Robert Pluim on Fri, 07 Jun 2024 12:32:58 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#71411: 30.0.50; Show Unicode names when describing translations References: <878qzhhwkl.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71411 Cc: 71411 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 12:32:58 +0200 > > > 'C-x 8 RET' will show Unicode names when it shows completions, which > helps people find the complete name of the character they want to use. > > I have a patch to do something similar for 'C-h k' and 'C-h b' (for > translated keys only), so youʼd get > > 'C-h k C-x 8 E' => > > € 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E) > > Since the purpose of this is to provide more information by default in > situations where people are searching for answers, I > donʼt think this needs a configuration variable, unlike the analogous > feaure in 'what-cursor-position'. (yes, people can hit 'C-u C-x =' in > the *Help* buffer, but first they have to know about that). Does this mean that if I type "C-h k a" I will be told that a is LATIN SMALL LETTER A? That'd be an annoyance, I think.
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'C-x 8 RET' will show Unicode names when it shows completions, which
helps people find the complete name of the character they want to use.
I have a patch to do something similar for 'C-h k' and 'C-h b' (for
translated keys only), so you=CA=BCd get
'C-h k C-x 8 E' =3D>
=E2=82=AC 'EURO SIGN' (translated from C-x 8 E)
Since the purpose of this is to provide more information by default in
situations where people are searching for answers, I
don=CA=BCt think this needs a configuration variable, unlike the analogous
feaure in 'what-cursor-position'. (yes, people can hit 'C-u C-x =3D' in
the *Help* buffer, but first they have to know about that).
Patch to follow when I have the bug number.
Robert
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