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Strings and symbols should be equally acceptable package designators.
(use-package 'xr) ; (wrong-type-argument symbolp 'xr)
Should work like (use-package "xr")
(package-install "xr") ; (error "Package ‘xr’ is unavailable")
Should work like (package-install 'xr)
instead of erring with that awfully misleading error message.
Peace
--Devon
In GNU Emacs 29.3 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS appkit-1671.60
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Perhaps use-package and package-install should ensure the package system
is initialised?
Peace
--Devon
P.S. This would have averted much confusion.
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Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-hacker2023@HIDDEN> writes:
> Strings and symbols should be equally acceptable package designators.
>
> (use-package 'xr) ; (wrong-type-argument symbolp 'xr)
> Should work like (use-package "xr")
I think you should specify a symbol as argument of that macro, not a
quoted symbol:
(use-package xr)
Michael.
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Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-hacker2023@HIDDEN> writes:
> Strings and symbols should be equally acceptable package designators.
>
> (use-package 'xr) ; (wrong-type-argument symbolp 'xr)
> Should work like (use-package "xr")
>
> (package-install "xr") ; (error "Package =E2=80=98xr=E2=80=99 is unavaila=
ble")
> Should work like (package-install 'xr)
> instead of erring with that awfully misleading error message.
We can improve on that error message, but is there any use-case for
denoting a package by a string?
> Peace
> --Devon
>
> In GNU Emacs 29.3 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS appkit-1671.60
> Version 10.14.6 (Build 18G9323)) of 2024-03-24 built on
> builder10-14.lan
> Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1671
> System Description: Mac OS X 10.14.6
>
> Configured using:
> 'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application
> Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application
> Support/Emacs/site-lisp' --with-modules 'CFLAGS=3D-DFD_SETSIZE=3D10000
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>
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> value of $LANG: C
> locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
>
> Major mode: Lisp Interaction
>
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> tooltip-mode: t
> global-eldoc-mode: t
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> Memory information:
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On 2024-07-21 05:59, Philip Kaludercic wrote:
> Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-hacker2023@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Strings and symbols should be equally acceptable package designators.
>
> We can improve on that error message, but is there any use-case for
> denoting a package by a string?
Consistency -- load-library takes strings.
Features, libraries & packages all fill the same needs
so require should take strings too.
Peace
--Devon
P.S. Symbol/string dichotomy exposes implementation
details not germane to the user's task.
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> On 2024-07-21 05:59, Philip Kaludercic wrote:
> > Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-hacker2023@HIDDEN> writes:
> >> Strings and symbols should be equally acceptable package designators.
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> > We can improve on that error message, but is there any use-case for
> > denoting a package by a string?
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> Consistency -- load-library takes strings.
> Features, libraries & packages all fill the same needs
> so require should take strings too.
AFAIR, require never accepted strings, only symbols. I'm not sure why
we need to change that so many years later.
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Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-hacker2023@HIDDEN> writes:
> On 2024-07-21 05:59, Philip Kaludercic wrote:
>> Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-hacker2023@HIDDEN> writes:
>>> Strings and symbols should be equally acceptable package designators.
>> We can improve on that error message, but is there any use-case for
>> denoting a package by a string?
>
> Consistency -- load-library takes strings.
> Features, libraries & packages all fill the same needs
> so require should take strings too.
Load-library takes a string, and signals an error if you pass it a
symbol. My take: This makes sense, since the string is denoting a file
in `load-path'. Symbols on the other hand are a kind of "protocol"
between (provide ...) and (require ...) expressions, and abstract over
loading of files, e.g. by not loading a feature that has already been
required before. Packages on the other hand are another level on top of
features, that also happens to use symbols, but with a different intent.
So to me, consistency means keeping these levels of abstraction
distinct, and not coercing inputs to match more than we do already
(e.g. with the assumption that packages always provide a feature of the
same name).
Again, what I wanted to know of there was a practical use-case for
packages to accept string; there is probably little point in discussing
matters of taste here.
> Peace
> --Devon
>
> P.S. Symbol/string dichotomy exposes implementation
> details not germane to the user's task.
>
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