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From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN>
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 12:10:23 -0400
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Subject: Re: bug#73736: 31.0.50; project and therefore eglot don't work
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Yeah, people can just override the default but I wonder how many people
will be surprised. I've been experimenting with .project.el files that
indicate common project contents that span different directory hierarchies,
basically a .project.el that sets a ("safe") variable so I can try to get
tooling to look across file systems rather than just assume one base. Still
working through that to gauge its utility vs. support tooling complexity.
On Sat, Oct 12, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> wro=
te:
> On 12/10/2024 17:32, Ship Mints wrote:
> > If you're really serious about this, I'd like to suggest ".project.el"
> > or "project.el" over an unadorned ".project" to avoid clashing with
> > third-party software that uses .project files or directories for its ow=
n
> > purposes.
>
> It's probably not going to be an Elisp file (with some code inside).
>
> And it's been mentioned in this thread that some other software uses
> file with this name in the project root. If there is data indicating
> that such dirs should not be recognized as project root in many other
> cases, we should of course reconsider. But from what I've seen in
> threads on Reddit and relater articles, people like this particular file
> name for this purpose.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac=
e">Yeah, people can just override the default but I wonder how many people =
will be surprised. I've been experimenting with .project.el files that =
indicate common project contents that span different directory hierarchies,=
basically a .project.el that sets a ("safe") variable so I can t=
ry to get tooling to look across file systems rather than just assume one b=
ase. Still working through that to gauge its utility vs. support tooling co=
mplexity.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 12, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Gutov <<a=
href=3D"mailto:dmitry@HIDDEN">dmitry@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 12/10/2024 17:32, Ship=
Mints wrote:<br>
> If you're really serious about this, I'd like to suggest "=
;.project.el" <br>
> or "project.el" over an unadorned ".project" to av=
oid clashing with <br>
> third-party software that uses .project files or directories for its o=
wn <br>
> purposes.<br>
<br>
It's probably not going to be an Elisp file (with some code inside).<br=
>
<br>
And it's been mentioned in this thread that some other software uses <b=
r>
file with this name in the project root. If there is data indicating <br>
that such dirs should not be recognized as project root in many other <br>
cases, we should of course reconsider. But from what I've seen in <br>
threads on Reddit and relater articles, people like this particular file <b=
r>
name for this purpose.<br>
</blockquote></div>
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Sat, 12 Oct 2024 16:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <c3b87536-ac7d-4a65-87a1-49aa91188eb1@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 23:30:04 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#73736: 31.0.50; project and therefore eglot don't work without git To: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> References: <878quv29hk.fsf@HIDDEN> <0b0b919c-ef70-4bb3-bcb4-b471d9abd201@HIDDEN> <6a202181-19e3-a202-2e80-78b332633d4b@HIDDEN> <d7d8bfe4-7da3-46a1-b9ed-3da919218bf5@HIDDEN> <86bjzrc96j.fsf@HIDDEN> <2a794cde-d7bb-4620-9a75-e693e164be83@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbpHY=TmF3+_RDHXnK29TC+Fce5f3UOEekVqu=b9L0p2LQ@HIDDEN> <a9804aa4-b3e5-4fc2-ab5d-5ff18207c329@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbq4BuWQkF+2gdBV_=sXKEYaCYF=BA_Kuihfq-rUEmmXFQ@HIDDEN> Content-Language: en-US From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAN+1Hbq4BuWQkF+2gdBV_=sXKEYaCYF=BA_Kuihfq-rUEmmXFQ@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73736 Cc: Joost Kremers <joostkremers@HIDDEN>, Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>, 73736 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eric Gillespie <epg@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 12/10/2024 17:32, Ship Mints wrote: > If you're really serious about this, I'd like to suggest ".project.el" > or "project.el" over an unadorned ".project" to avoid clashing with > third-party software that uses .project files or directories for its own > purposes. It's probably not going to be an Elisp file (with some code inside). And it's been mentioned in this thread that some other software uses file with this name in the project root. If there is data indicating that such dirs should not be recognized as project root in many other cases, we should of course reconsider. But from what I've seen in threads on Reddit and relater articles, people like this particular file name for this purpose.
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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 5:20=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> wro= te: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2024, at 7:40 PM, Ship Mints wrote: > > I assume you're not suggesting adding ".project" to everyone's Emacs > default configurations. It's a user option already (which I do use). > > I am - if it helps avoid this recurring question. > --0000000000003cc9490624487a20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">If you're really serious about this, I'd like to suggest ".= project.el" or "project.el" over an unadorned ".project= " to avoid clashing with third-party software that uses .project files= or directories for its own purposes.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu= ote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 5:20=E2= =80=AFPM Dmitry Gutov <<a href=3D"mailto:dmitry@HIDDEN">dmitry@gutov.= dev</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg= in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e= x"><div class=3D"msg-7469667467191530368"><u></u><div><div>On Fri, Oct 11, = 2024, at 7:40 PM, Ship Mints wrote:<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" id= =3D"m_-7469667467191530368qt"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:mo= nospace">I assume you're not suggesting adding ".project" to = everyone's Emacs default configurations. It's a user option already= (which I do use).<br></div></div></blockquote><div>I am - if it helps avoi= d this recurring question.</div></div></div></blockquote></div> --0000000000003cc9490624487a20--
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Fri, 11 Oct 2024 18:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <648dd5a0-e083-4046-b624-f8114791bd6e@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 01:29:29 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#73736: 31.0.50; project and therefore eglot don't work without git To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>, Eric Gillespie <epg@HIDDEN>, 73736 <at> debbugs.gnu.org References: <878quv29hk.fsf@HIDDEN> <0b0b919c-ef70-4bb3-bcb4-b471d9abd201@HIDDEN> <6a202181-19e3-a202-2e80-78b332633d4b@HIDDEN> <d7d8bfe4-7da3-46a1-b9ed-3da919218bf5@HIDDEN> <f4b1a71c-beb0-ef2c-a553-d4f48686cf13@HIDDEN> Content-Language: en-US From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <f4b1a71c-beb0-ef2c-a553-d4f48686cf13@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73736 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 12/10/2024 00:49, Jim Porter wrote: >> I'm not a fan of adding a file that has no other purposes, but if >> people find this useful, no problem. For personal projects it >> certainly shouldn't hurt. >> >> Eric, Jim, how would you like this resolution? > > I'm fine with recognizing ".project" by default, since it seems we'd > just be adopting an already-existing practice. In addition to the cases > already discussed, it seems that the Eclipse and STM32 IDEs also use a > ".project" file at the project root for various things. That's good to know. > To turn it around though, are there cases we know of where we *wouldn't* > want ".project" to mark a project root? Maybe if an Eclipse IDE project > were in a Git subdir? (In that case, maybe ".project" should only be > checked for as a fallback if we couldn't determine the project using a > "real" VC file.) That would require a new variable because project-vc-extra-root-markers's original goal was to allow sub-projects inside a VC repo (or projects outside of any repos). At this point I'd rather recommend users who prefer a different behavior to customize this var to a different value, removing .project from it.
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[23.240.98.37]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d9443c01a7336-20c8c33ce73sm27927455ad.254.2024.10.11.14.49.34 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 11 Oct 2024 14:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <f4b1a71c-beb0-ef2c-a553-d4f48686cf13@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 14:49:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#73736: 31.0.50; project and therefore eglot don't work without git Content-Language: en-US To: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN>, Eric Gillespie <epg@HIDDEN>, 73736 <at> debbugs.gnu.org References: <878quv29hk.fsf@HIDDEN> <0b0b919c-ef70-4bb3-bcb4-b471d9abd201@HIDDEN> <6a202181-19e3-a202-2e80-78b332633d4b@HIDDEN> <d7d8bfe4-7da3-46a1-b9ed-3da919218bf5@HIDDEN> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <d7d8bfe4-7da3-46a1-b9ed-3da919218bf5@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73736 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 10/10/2024 2:59 PM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > If it's just for Eglot, though, maybe ideally it would have a separate > detector for directories in which to run the language server in - it > doesn't have to correspond to what the user considers to be the entire > project's root (they might prefer it to be a parent directory). Not sure > how automatic it can be in the general case, though, and it'd require > Eglot to know about root markers for all supported languages. Yeah, that raises a good point: what exactly counts as a "project" depends on the context. For simple scenarios, a project is approximately equal to a VC repository, but for more complex scenarios, I think it depends on what you want to *do* with the project. For example, suppose I have a Git monorepo that has several different Python packages in it. Should Emacs consider the monorepo to be the lone project, or should each Python package be a project? I don't know if either answer is correct 100% of the time. (Even if we're just thinking about VC, "what project is this file in?" can have multiple answers. Sometimes if I'm working in a Git submodule, I want that submodule to be the project, not the parent repo.) I'm not sure if we should open this can of worms yet though... > I'm not a fan of adding a file that has no other purposes, but if people find this useful, no problem. For personal projects it certainly shouldn't hurt. > > Eric, Jim, how would you like this resolution? I'm fine with recognizing ".project" by default, since it seems we'd just be adopting an already-existing practice. In addition to the cases already discussed, it seems that the Eclipse and STM32 IDEs also use a ".project" file at the project root for various things. To turn it around though, are there cases we know of where we *wouldn't* want ".project" to mark a project root? Maybe if an Eclipse IDE project were in a Git subdir? (In that case, maybe ".project" should only be checked for as a fallback if we couldn't determine the project using a "real" VC file.)
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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024, at 7:40 PM, Ship Mints wrote:
> I assume you're not suggesting adding ".project" to everyone's Emacs default configurations. It's a user option already (which I do use).
I am - if it helps avoid this recurring question.
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<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>On Fri, Oct 11, 2024, at 7:40 PM, Ship Mints wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div dir="ltr"><div class="qt-gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace;">I assume you're not suggesting adding ".project" to everyone's Emacs default configurations. It's a user option already (which I do use).<br></div></div></blockquote><div>I am - if it helps avoid this recurring question.</div></body></html>
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It's a user option already (which I do use). On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 1:14=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> wro= te: > On 11/10/2024 11:53, Joost Kremers wrote: > >> That's a natural question, but it would result in different results fo= r > >> "current project" for files in the same directory (which often enough > use > >> different major modes). > > What about a single marker that works for any project? This is a > > work-around that Projectile uses and I'm using it with project.el as > well, > > with: > > > > ``` > > (add-to-list 'project-vc-extra-root-markers ".project") > > ``` > > That's the recommended course of action if you don't have other > consistent indicators of project root, between your projects. > > I'm not a fan of adding a file that has no other purposes, but if people > find this useful, no problem. For personal projects it certainly > shouldn't hurt. > > Eric, Jim, how would you like this resolution? > > > > --00000000000045176b062436fd7f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">I assume you're not suggesting adding ".project" to everyo= ne's Emacs default configurations. It's a user option already (whic= h I do use).</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla= ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 1:14=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Gutov <= <a href=3D"mailto:dmitry@HIDDEN">dmitry@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></di= v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde= r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 11/10/2024 11:53, Jo= ost Kremers wrote:<br> >> That's a natural question, but it would result in different re= sults for<br> >> "current project" for files in the same directory (which= often enough use<br> >> different major modes).<br> > What about a single marker that works for any project? This is a<br> > work-around that Projectile uses and I'm using it with project.el = as well,<br> > with:<br> > <br> > ```<br> > (add-to-list 'project-vc-extra-root-markers ".project")<= br> > ```<br> <br> That's the recommended course of action if you don't have other <br= > consistent indicators of project root, between your projects.<br> <br> I'm not a fan of adding a file that has no other purposes, but if peopl= e <br> find this useful, no problem. For personal projects it certainly <br> shouldn't hurt.<br> <br> Eric, Jim, how would you like this resolution?<br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div> --00000000000045176b062436fd7f--
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Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2a794cde-d7bb-4620-9a75-e693e164be83@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 17:43:26 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#73736: 31.0.50; project and therefore eglot don't work without git To: Joost Kremers <joostkremers@HIDDEN> References: <878quv29hk.fsf@HIDDEN> <0b0b919c-ef70-4bb3-bcb4-b471d9abd201@HIDDEN> <6a202181-19e3-a202-2e80-78b332633d4b@HIDDEN> <d7d8bfe4-7da3-46a1-b9ed-3da919218bf5@HIDDEN> <86bjzrc96j.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Language: en-US From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <86bjzrc96j.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73736 Cc: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>, 73736 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eric Gillespie <epg@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 11/10/2024 11:53, Joost Kremers wrote: >> That's a natural question, but it would result in different results for >> "current project" for files in the same directory (which often enough use >> different major modes). > What about a single marker that works for any project? This is a > work-around that Projectile uses and I'm using it with project.el as well, > with: > > ``` > (add-to-list 'project-vc-extra-root-markers ".project") > ``` That's the recommended course of action if you don't have other consistent indicators of project root, between your projects. I'm not a fan of adding a file that has no other purposes, but if people find this useful, no problem. For personal projects it certainly shouldn't hurt. Eric, Jim, how would you like this resolution?
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For example, Cargo.toml. >> I wonder, could major modes provide project.el with some default values >> for that option? Then rust-mode could add Cargo.toml, python-mode could >> add pyproject.toml, and so on. > > That's a natural question, but it would result in different results for > "current project" for files in the same directory (which often enough use > different major modes). What about a single marker that works for any project? This is a work-around that Projectile uses and I'm using it with project.el as well, with: ``` (add-to-list 'project-vc-extra-root-markers ".project") ``` -- Joost Kremers Life has its moments
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On 10/10/2024 21:52, Jim Porter wrote:
> On 10/10/2024 11:42 AM, Dmitry Gutov wrote:
>> This isn't very plug-and-play, but you can customize project-vc-extra-
>> root-markers to include any other files that distinguish the root of a
>> project. For example, Cargo.toml.
>
> I wonder, could major modes provide project.el with some default values
> for that option? Then rust-mode could add Cargo.toml, python-mode could
> add pyproject.toml, and so on.
That's a natural question, but it would result in different results for
"current project" for files in the same directory (which often enough
use different major modes).
What we could have, it a variable which is added to globally in package
autoloads - so if e.g. rust-mode is installed it could add Cargo to root
markers. For rust-ts-mode we'd need to do that in the core, but then
we'd also need a way to override I guess, because in some projects that
still wouldn't be "root"...
Speaking of JetBrains and VS Code's "Open project" method, we could have
such as well - it would be a separate command or two ("open" and
"close", maybe).
If it's just for Eglot, though, maybe ideally it would have a separate
detector for directories in which to run the language server in - it
doesn't have to correspond to what the user considers to be the entire
project's root (they might prefer it to be a parent directory). Not sure
how automatic it can be in the general case, though, and it'd require
Eglot to know about root markers for all supported languages.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#73736; Package emacs.
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On 10/10/2024 19:44, Eric Gillespie wrote: > I think the problem here is that eglot needs to provide a project > root to rust-analyzer, but 'project' only knows how to find .git > directories, which I don't have in this case. This isn't very plug-and-play, but you can customize project-vc-extra-root-markers to include any other files that distinguish the root of a project. For example, Cargo.toml.
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Thu, 10 Oct 2024 12:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Gillespie <epg@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 31.0.50; project and therefore eglot don't work without git Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 11:44:39 -0500 Message-ID: <878quv29hk.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=103.168.172.146; envelope-from=epg@HIDDEN; helo=fout-a3-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) (I don't use project directly, but eglot requires it, and that's all I care about.) 1. cargo new foo 2. emacs -Q foo/src/main.rs 3. M-x rust-ts-mode RET 4. M-x eglot RET Expected: eglot activates. Actual: Error: [eglot] Server reports (type=1): Failed to discover workspace. Consider adding the `Cargo.toml` of the workspace to the [`linkedProjects`](https://rust-analyzer.github.io/manual.html#rust-analyzer.linkedProjects) setting. I think the problem here is that eglot needs to provide a project root to rust-analyzer, but 'project' only knows how to find .git directories, which I don't have in this case. This works in editors such as JetBrains Rover and VS Code presumably because you have to take an "Open project" step in those. And I'd be OK if I had to that first in emacs, but I could find no such option. The closest I can find is 'project-switch-project', but it doesn't accept arbitrary directories as input, instead only allowing me to pick from a list it found on its own, by scrounging around for .git directories! In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, cairo version 1.18.2) of 2024-10-04 built on dogato Repository revision: ef587bf6b46b2ea3ef91b260ac2542666081260d Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101012 System Description: openSUSE Tumbleweed Configured using: 'configure -C --prefix=/opt/emacs-master --disable-silent-rules --with-x-toolkit=no --without-gsettings --with-native-compilation=no' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY OLDXMENU PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TREE_SITTER WEBP X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_CTYPE: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=local locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t minibuffer-regexp-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message mailcap yank-media puny dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util text-property-search time-date subr-x mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader cl-loaddefs cl-lib sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils rmc iso-transl tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd touch-screen tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting font-render-setting cairo xinput2 x multi-tty move-toolbar make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 39589 10289) (symbols 48 5375 0) (strings 32 12072 1444) (string-bytes 1 289442) (vectors 16 9304) (vector-slots 8 103508 8407) (floats 8 25 4) (intervals 56 260 0) (buffers 992 10))
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