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Hello Emacs Maintainers,

I noticed an inconsistency in the naming conventions of certain Emacs
functions that I find confusing.  Specifically, some functions use
*-open-file(s), while others use *-find-file.

Functions such as eww-open-file and recentf-open-files use 'open-file'
or 'open-files' in their naming.  In contrast, many other functions,
including dired-find-file, find-file, project-find-file, and
ido-find-file, use the 'find-file' format.

I am curious about the rationale behind this difference.  Is there
a specific reason that some functions prefer 'open-file' over
'find-file' even though they seem to perform similar actions?

Thank you for your time!

* * *
In GNU Emacs 30.0.92 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
3.24.41, cairo version 1.18.0)
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> From: Anush V <j@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:29:44 -0500
> 
> I noticed an inconsistency in the naming conventions of certain Emacs
> functions that I find confusing.  Specifically, some functions use
> *-open-file(s), while others use *-find-file.
> 
> Functions such as eww-open-file and recentf-open-files use 'open-file'
> or 'open-files' in their naming.  In contrast, many other functions,
> including dired-find-file, find-file, project-find-file, and
> ido-find-file, use the 'find-file' format.
> 
> I am curious about the rationale behind this difference.  Is there
> a specific reason that some functions prefer 'open-file' over
> 'find-file' even though they seem to perform similar actions?

I think just personal preferences of whoever implemented these
functions, and the many years that passed between the "find" names
were introduced and the time the "open" names weer introduced.
Nothing more.

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> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 22:16:03 +0200
>
>> From: Anush V <j@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:29:44 -0500
>>
>> I noticed an inconsistency in the naming conventions of certain Emacs
>> functions that I find confusing.  Specifically, some functions use
>> *-open-file(s), while others use *-find-file.
>>
>> Functions such as eww-open-file and recentf-open-files use 'open-file'
>> or 'open-files' in their naming.  In contrast, many other functions,
>> including dired-find-file, find-file, project-find-file, and
>> ido-find-file, use the 'find-file' format.
>>
>> I am curious about the rationale behind this difference.  Is there
>> a specific reason that some functions prefer 'open-file' over
>> 'find-file' even though they seem to perform similar actions?
>
> I think just personal preferences of whoever implemented these
> functions, and the many years that passed between the "find" names
> were introduced and the time the "open" names weer introduced.
> Nothing more.

Thank you for clarifying. I had wrongly assumed that "find-file" might
be the standard, as those seemed to have been introduced first.

Regards,
Anush

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Hello Emacs Maintainers,

I noticed an inconsistency in the naming conventions of certain Emacs
functions that I find confusing.  Specifically, some functions use
*-open-file(s), while others use *-find-file.

Functions such as eww-open-file and recentf-open-files use 'open-file'
or 'open-files' in their naming.  In contrast, many other functions,
including dired-find-file, find-file, project-find-file, and
ido-find-file, use the 'find-file' format.

I am curious about the rationale behind this difference.  Is there
a specific reason that some functions prefer 'open-file' over
'find-file' even though they seem to perform similar actions?

Thank you for your time!

* * *
In GNU Emacs 30.0.92 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
3.24.41, cairo version 1.18.0)
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101014
System Description: Guix System

Configured using:
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Configured features:
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> From: Anush V <j@HIDDEN>
> Cc: 75591 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 08:20:19 -0500
> 
> > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 22:16:03 +0200
> >
> >> From: Anush V <j@HIDDEN>
> >> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:29:44 -0500
> >>
> >> I noticed an inconsistency in the naming conventions of certain Emacs
> >> functions that I find confusing.  Specifically, some functions use
> >> *-open-file(s), while others use *-find-file.
> >>
> >> Functions such as eww-open-file and recentf-open-files use 'open-file'
> >> or 'open-files' in their naming.  In contrast, many other functions,
> >> including dired-find-file, find-file, project-find-file, and
> >> ido-find-file, use the 'find-file' format.
> >>
> >> I am curious about the rationale behind this difference.  Is there
> >> a specific reason that some functions prefer 'open-file' over
> >> 'find-file' even though they seem to perform similar actions?
> >
> > I think just personal preferences of whoever implemented these
> > functions, and the many years that passed between the "find" names
> > were introduced and the time the "open" names weer introduced.
> > Nothing more.
> 
> Thank you for clarifying. I had wrongly assumed that "find-file" might
> be the standard, as those seemed to have been introduced first.

It's true that find-* where introduced first, but we nowadays use
both.

So I'm now closing this bug.


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> From: Anush V <j@HIDDEN>
> Cc: 75591 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 08:20:19 -0500
> 
> > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 22:16:03 +0200
> >
> >> From: Anush V <j@HIDDEN>
> >> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:29:44 -0500
> >>
> >> I noticed an inconsistency in the naming conventions of certain Emacs
> >> functions that I find confusing.  Specifically, some functions use
> >> *-open-file(s), while others use *-find-file.
> >>
> >> Functions such as eww-open-file and recentf-open-files use 'open-file'
> >> or 'open-files' in their naming.  In contrast, many other functions,
> >> including dired-find-file, find-file, project-find-file, and
> >> ido-find-file, use the 'find-file' format.
> >>
> >> I am curious about the rationale behind this difference.  Is there
> >> a specific reason that some functions prefer 'open-file' over
> >> 'find-file' even though they seem to perform similar actions?
> >
> > I think just personal preferences of whoever implemented these
> > functions, and the many years that passed between the "find" names
> > were introduced and the time the "open" names weer introduced.
> > Nothing more.
> 
> Thank you for clarifying. I had wrongly assumed that "find-file" might
> be the standard, as those seemed to have been introduced first.

It's true that find-* where introduced first, but we nowadays use
both.

So I'm now closing this bug.


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Hello Emacs Maintainers,

I noticed an inconsistency in the naming conventions of certain Emacs
functions that I find confusing.  Specifically, some functions use
*-open-file(s), while others use *-find-file.

Functions such as eww-open-file and recentf-open-files use 'open-file'
or 'open-files' in their naming.  In contrast, many other functions,
including dired-find-file, find-file, project-find-file, and
ido-find-file, use the 'find-file' format.

I am curious about the rationale behind this difference.  Is there
a specific reason that some functions prefer 'open-file' over
'find-file' even though they seem to perform similar actions?

Thank you for your time!

* * *
In GNU Emacs 30.0.92 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
3.24.41, cairo version 1.18.0)
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101014
System Description: Guix System

Configured using:
 'configure
 CONFIG_SHELL=/gnu/store/6nqyia3ra10sgd1ppzk2047ncbzjwhff-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bin/bash
 SHELL=/gnu/store/6nqyia3ra10sgd1ppzk2047ncbzjwhff-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bin/bash --prefix=/gnu/store/ml6xyl3py6hqfdps2sypdi7s212y7k02-emacs-next-30.0.92-0.881d593 --enable-fast-install --with-cairo --with-modules --with-native-compilation=aot --disable-build-details'

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GTK3 ZLIB

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Regards,
Anush



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