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Severity: wishlist
The mail/hashcash.el library implements an Emacs wrapper around
hashcash, where the idea was that you added a small amount of "proof of
work" to an Email header, which if everyone used it would be expensive
for spammers:
"The email anti-spam tool, like the proof-of-work algorithm, is
also called hashcash and is used to create stamps to attach to mail
to add a micro-cost to sending mail to deter spamming. The main
use of the hashcash stamp is as a white-listing hint to help
hashcash users avoid losing email due to content based and
blacklist based anti-spam systems." - http://www.hashcash.org
This might be nice in theory, but it is irrelevant as an anti-spam
measure on today's internet, since almost no one uses it. Let's not
mislead users to waste energy using it.
I suggest that we mark it as obsolete.
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Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes:
Hi Stefan,
> This might be nice in theory, but it is irrelevant as an anti-spam
> measure on today's internet, since almost no one uses it. Let's not
> mislead users to waste energy using it.
>
> I suggest that we mark it as obsolete.
There is also bug#66795. It is an evidence, that hashcash is used in
Emacs. OTOH, there's nobody who is able to fix this.
So I support your proposal.
Best regards, Michael.
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Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes:
> Severity: wishlist
>
> The mail/hashcash.el library implements an Emacs wrapper around
> hashcash, where the idea was that you added a small amount of "proof of
> work" to an Email header, which if everyone used it would be expensive
> for spammers:
>
> "The email anti-spam tool, like the proof-of-work algorithm, is
> also called hashcash and is used to create stamps to attach to mail
> to add a micro-cost to sending mail to deter spamming. The main
> use of the hashcash stamp is as a white-listing hint to help
> hashcash users avoid losing email due to content based and
> blacklist based anti-spam systems." - http://www.hashcash.org
>
> This might be nice in theory, but it is irrelevant as an anti-spam
> measure on today's internet, since almost no one uses it. Let's not
> mislead users to waste energy using it.
>
> I suggest that we mark it as obsolete.
I'm Cc'ing Gnus, MH-E, Notmuch (third-party), and mu4e (third-party)
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"Dirk-Jan C. Binnema" <djcb@HIDDEN> writes:
> On Tuesday Feb 11 2025, Stefan Kangas wrote:
>
>> I'm Cc'ing Gnus, MH-E, Notmuch (third-party), and mu4e (third-party)
>> developers, in case they have any comments.
>
> Thanks for reaching out.
>
> I can only find a single user in my e-mail corpus, from 2006. So as far
> as I'm concerned, it can be obsoleted.
>
> Kind regards,
> Dirk.
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>> I suggest that we mark it as obsolete.
>
> I'm Cc'ing Gnus, MH-E, Notmuch (third-party), and mu4e (third-party)
> developers, in case they have any comments.
No comments for me (except it makes me a bit nostalgic).
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tags 76195 + patch
thanks
Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes:
> Severity: wishlist
>
> The mail/hashcash.el library implements an Emacs wrapper around
> hashcash, where the idea was that you added a small amount of "proof of
> work" to an Email header, which if everyone used it would be expensive
> for spammers:
>
> "The email anti-spam tool, like the proof-of-work algorithm, is
> also called hashcash and is used to create stamps to attach to mail
> to add a micro-cost to sending mail to deter spamming. The main
> use of the hashcash stamp is as a white-listing hint to help
> hashcash users avoid losing email due to content based and
> blacklist based anti-spam systems." - http://www.hashcash.org
>
> This might be nice in theory, but it is irrelevant as an anti-spam
> measure on today's internet, since almost no one uses it. Let's not
> mislead users to waste energy using it.
>
> I suggest that we mark it as obsolete.
Here are three proposed patches.
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The main > use of the hashcash stamp is as a white-listing hint to help > hashcash users avoid losing email due to content based and > blacklist based anti-spam systems." - http://www.hashcash.org > > This might be nice in theory, but it is irrelevant as an anti-spam > measure on today's internet, since almost no one uses it. Let's not > mislead users to waste energy using it. > > I suggest that we mark it as obsolete. 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Thanks, Stefan. No objections from me (MH-E).
You don't need to remove the following line in mh-e.el (in Emacs). It is
in a list of invisible header fields and does not depend on the hashcash
package in Emacs.
"X-Hashcash:" ; hashcash
Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> wrote:
> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> > Severity: wishlist
> >
> > The mail/hashcash.el library implements an Emacs wrapper around
> > hashcash, where the idea was that you added a small amount of "proof of
> > work" to an Email header, which if everyone used it would be expensive
> > for spammers:
> >
> > "The email anti-spam tool, like the proof-of-work algorithm, is
> > also called hashcash and is used to create stamps to attach to mail
> > to add a micro-cost to sending mail to deter spamming. The main
> > use of the hashcash stamp is as a white-listing hint to help
> > hashcash users avoid losing email due to content based and
> > blacklist based anti-spam systems." - http://www.hashcash.org
> >
> > This might be nice in theory, but it is irrelevant as an anti-spam
> > measure on today's internet, since almost no one uses it. Let's not
> > mislead users to waste energy using it.
> >
> > I suggest that we mark it as obsolete.
>
> I'm Cc'ing Gnus, MH-E, Notmuch (third-party), and mu4e (third-party)
> developers, in case they have any comments.
>
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