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package-install-upgrade-built-in upgrades built-ins to the same version To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e12d9b062f0e7238" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76567 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 76567 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000e12d9b062f0e7238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, then this behavior is merely unexpected per "newer" in the documentation, and it's not a bug, per se. -Stephane On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 11:48=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.= net> wrote: > Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes: > > > "replace with newer versions from the archives" is not what's happening= . > > It seems to replace with identical versions, just from the archives. > > The issue is that `package-install-upgrade-built-in' uses the phrasing > > If disabled, then =E2=80=98package-install=E2=80=99 will not suggest to= replace a > built-in package with a (possibly newer) version from a package archive= . > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Which is not to say that the behaviour you are describing is not > good... A related issue here is that package.el has two separate > upgrade procedures (package-upgrade-all and the list-package one) that > cause these kinds of irregularities to pop up. I have been planning to > rewrite the package list interface to use the same logic as the > commands, but I have to find the time to do that properly :/ > > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@pos= teo.net> > > wrote: > > > >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > >> > >> >> From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > >> >> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500 > >> >> > >> >> As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to > install > >> >> my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune > and > >> >> curate packages. > >> >> > >> >> One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is that = if > >> >> 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, > 'package-list-packages' > >> >> reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical > >> >> versions* in the 30.1 tree. I was expecting upgrades to be actual > >> >> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say. The reason I didn't see > >> >> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so I > >> >> was happy to take the upgrades. This does not appear to be a > >> >> regression, just a general bug report. > >> > > >> > Philip, could you please look into this? > >> > >> (emacs) Package Installation says: > >> > >> If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-built-in=E2=80=99= to a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 > >> value, be very careful when using commands that update many packages a= t > >> once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2=80= =99 in the package menu: those > >> might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to replace wi= th > >> newer versions from the archives. Don't use these bulk commands if yo= u > >> want to update only a small number of built-in packages. > >> > >> I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do. > >> > --000000000000e12d9b062f0e7238 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">Okay, then this behavior is merely unexpected per "newer" in t= he documentation, and it's not a bug,=C2=A0per se.</div><div class=3D"g= mail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail= _default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">-Stephane</div></div><br><div cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at= tr">On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 11:48=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic <<a href= =3D"mailto:philipk@HIDDEN">philipk@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Ship Mints <<a href=3D"= mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>> w= rites:<br> <br> > "replace with newer versions from the archives" is not what&= #39;s happening.<br> > It seems to replace with identical versions, just from the archives.<b= r> <br> The issue is that `package-install-upgrade-built-in' uses the phrasing<= br> <br> =C2=A0 If disabled, then =E2=80=98package-install=E2=80=99 will not suggest= to replace a<br> =C2=A0 built-in package with a (possibly newer) version from a package arch= ive.<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br> <br> Which is not to say that the behaviour you are describing is not<br> good...=C2=A0 A related issue here is that package.el has two separate<br> upgrade procedures (package-upgrade-all and the list-package one) that<br> cause these kinds of irregularities to pop up.=C2=A0 I have been planning t= o<br> rewrite the package list interface to use the same logic as the<br> commands, but I have to find the time to do that properly :/<br> <br> ><br> > On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic <<a href= =3D"mailto:philipk@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">philipk@HIDDEN</a>>= <br> > wrote:<br> ><br> >> Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank= ">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> >><br> >> >> From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN= m" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> >> >> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500<br> >> >><br> >> >> As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a progr= am to install<br> >> >> my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity= to prune and<br> >> >> curate packages.<br> >> >><br> >> >> One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in = 29.4, is that if<br> >> >> 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, &#= 39;package-list-packages'<br> >> >> reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *= identical<br> >> >> versions* in the 30.1 tree.=C2=A0 I was expecting upgrade= s to be actual<br> >> >> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say.=C2=A0 The reason = I didn't see<br> >> >> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than= ELPA so I<br> >> >> was happy to take the upgrades.=C2=A0 This does not appea= r to be a<br> >> >> regression, just a general bug report.<br> >> ><br> >> > Philip, could you please look into this?<br> >><br> >> (emacs) Package Installation says:<br> >><br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-bui= lt-in=E2=80=99 to a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99<br> >> value, be very careful when using commands that update many packag= es at<br> >> once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2= =80=99 in the package menu: those<br> >> might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to re= place with<br> >> newer versions from the archives.=C2=A0 Don't use these bulk c= ommands if you<br> >> want to update only a small number of built-in packages.<br> >><br> >> I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do.<b= r> >><br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000e12d9b062f0e7238--
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The issue is that `package-install-upgrade-built-in' uses the phrasing If disabled, then =E2=80=98package-install=E2=80=99 will not suggest to r= eplace a built-in package with a (possibly newer) version from a package archive. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Which is not to say that the behaviour you are describing is not good... A related issue here is that package.el has two separate upgrade procedures (package-upgrade-all and the list-package one) that cause these kinds of irregularities to pop up. I have been planning to rewrite the package list interface to use the same logic as the commands, but I have to find the time to do that properly :/ > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@poste= o.net> > wrote: > >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> >> >> From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> >> >> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500 >> >> >> >> As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to install >> >> my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune and >> >> curate packages. >> >> >> >> One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is that if >> >> 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, 'package-list-packages' >> >> reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical >> >> versions* in the 30.1 tree. I was expecting upgrades to be actual >> >> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say. The reason I didn't see >> >> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so I >> >> was happy to take the upgrades. This does not appear to be a >> >> regression, just a general bug report. >> > >> > Philip, could you please look into this? >> >> (emacs) Package Installation says: >> >> If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-built-in=E2=80=99 t= o a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 >> value, be very careful when using commands that update many packages at >> once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2=80=99= in the package menu: those >> might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to replace with >> newer versions from the archives. Don't use these bulk commands if you >> want to update only a small number of built-in packages. >> >> I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do. >>
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable e.g., Emacs 30.1 embeds project.el: ;; Copyright (C) 2015-2025 Free Software Foundation, Inc. ;; Version: 0.11.1 ;; Package-Requires: ((emacs "26.1") (xref "1.7.0")) The not-newer version package downloaded from the archives: ;; Copyright (C) 2015-2024 Free Software Foundation, Inc. ;; Version: 0.11.1 ;; Package-Requires: ((emacs "26.1") (xref "1.7.0")) On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:41=E2=80=AFAM Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> w= rote: > "replace with newer versions from the archives" is not what's happening. > It seems to replace with identical versions, just from the archives. > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@poste= o.net> > wrote: > >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> >> >> From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> >> >> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500 >> >> >> >> As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to instal= l >> >> my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune an= d >> >> curate packages. >> >> >> >> One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is that if >> >> 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, 'package-list-packages= ' >> >> reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical >> >> versions* in the 30.1 tree. I was expecting upgrades to be actual >> >> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say. The reason I didn't see >> >> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so I >> >> was happy to take the upgrades. This does not appear to be a >> >> regression, just a general bug report. >> > >> > Philip, could you please look into this? >> >> (emacs) Package Installation says: >> >> If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-built-in=E2=80=99 t= o a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 >> value, be very careful when using commands that update many packages at >> once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2=80=99= in the package menu: those >> might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to replace with >> newer versions from the archives. Don't use these bulk commands if you >> want to update only a small number of built-in packages. >> >> I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do. >> > --000000000000a56fec062f0d7635 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">e.g., Emacs 30.1 embeds project.el:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st= yle=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style= =3D"font-family:monospace">;; Copyright (C) 2015-2025 Free Software Foundat= ion, Inc.<br>;; Version: 0.11.1<br>;; Package-Requires: ((emacs "26.1&= quot;) (xref "1.7.0"))<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl= e=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D= "font-family:monospace">The not-newer version package downloaded from the a= rchives:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">= <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">;; C= opyright (C) 2015-2024 Free Software Foundation, Inc.<br>;; Version: 0.11.1= <br>;; Package-Requires: ((emacs "26.1") (xref "1.7.0")= )<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div = dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:41=E2=80=AFAM S= hip Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN">shipmints@HIDDEN</a= >> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px= 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><di= v dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"monospace">"r= eplace with=C2=A0newer versions from the archives<span class=3D"gmail_defau= lt">" is not what's happening.=C2=A0 It seems to replace with iden= tical versions, just from the archives.</span></font></div></div><br><div c= lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 26, = 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic <<a href=3D"mailto:philipk@po= steo.net" target=3D"_blank">philipk@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blo= ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left= :1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"= mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> <br> >> From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target= =3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> >> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500<br> >> <br> >> As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to ins= tall<br> >> my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune= and<br> >> curate packages.<br> >> <br> >> One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is = that if<br> >> 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, 'packag= e-list-packages'<br> >> reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical= <br> >> versions* in the 30.1 tree.=C2=A0 I was expecting upgrades to be a= ctual<br> >> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say.=C2=A0 The reason I didn= 9;t see<br> >> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so = I<br> >> was happy to take the upgrades.=C2=A0 This does not appear to be a= <br> >> regression, just a general bug report.<br> ><br> > Philip, could you please look into this?<br> <br> (emacs) Package Installation says:<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-built-in=E2= =80=99 to a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99<br> value, be very careful when using commands that update many packages at<br> once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2=80=99 in= the package menu: those<br> might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to replace wit= h<br> newer versions from the archives.=C2=A0 Don't use these bulk commands i= f you<br> want to update only a small number of built-in packages.<br> <br> I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do.<br> </blockquote></div> </blockquote></div> --000000000000a56fec062f0d7635--
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It seems to replace with identical versions, just from the archives. On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.= net> wrote: > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > >> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500 > >> > >> As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to install > >> my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune and > >> curate packages. > >> > >> One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is that if > >> 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, 'package-list-packages' > >> reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical > >> versions* in the 30.1 tree. I was expecting upgrades to be actual > >> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say. The reason I didn't see > >> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so I > >> was happy to take the upgrades. This does not appear to be a > >> regression, just a general bug report. > > > > Philip, could you please look into this? > > (emacs) Package Installation says: > > If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-built-in=E2=80=99 to= a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 > value, be very careful when using commands that update many packages at > once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2=80=99 = in the package menu: those > might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to replace with > newer versions from the archives. Don't use these bulk commands if you > want to update only a small number of built-in packages. > > I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do. > --000000000000dda23f062f0d681e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><font face=3D"mono= space">"replace with=C2=A0newer versions from the archives<span class= =3D"gmail_default" style=3D"">" is not what's happening.=C2=A0 It = seems to replace with identical versions, just from the archives.</span></f= ont></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div d= ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM Ph= ilip Kaludercic <<a href=3D"mailto:philipk@HIDDEN">philipk@HIDDEN= t</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin= :0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"= >Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">eliz@g= nu.org</a>> writes:<br> <br> >> From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target= =3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> >> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500<br> >> <br> >> As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to ins= tall<br> >> my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune= and<br> >> curate packages.<br> >> <br> >> One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is = that if<br> >> 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, 'packag= e-list-packages'<br> >> reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical= <br> >> versions* in the 30.1 tree.=C2=A0 I was expecting upgrades to be a= ctual<br> >> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say.=C2=A0 The reason I didn= 9;t see<br> >> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so = I<br> >> was happy to take the upgrades.=C2=A0 This does not appear to be a= <br> >> regression, just a general bug report.<br> ><br> > Philip, could you please look into this?<br> <br> (emacs) Package Installation says:<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-built-in=E2= =80=99 to a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99<br> value, be very careful when using commands that update many packages at<br> once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2=80=99 in= the package menu: those<br> might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to replace wit= h<br> newer versions from the archives.=C2=A0 Don't use these bulk commands i= f you<br> want to update only a small number of built-in packages.<br> <br> I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do.<br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000dda23f062f0d681e--
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Full text available.Received: (at 76567) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Feb 2025 13:29:00 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 26 08:28:59 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51512 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tnHT9-000130-Hk for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 08:28:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40448) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tnHT6-00012i-7U for 76567 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 08:28:57 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tnHSz-0001oC-HL; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 08:28:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=CxtEgoFtqja+ffF8JY5RP+vBAfJwc0haGC9kuV+m4r8=; b=aCarhW9V6SAx iZj6XyeN1Lsrdan/Mw1jijJ+D3WtcynCoJSH2DpsdpR7RTpTgvstMFcfhAbYglAyzPtnEoO8TQZNW HPi+9MUnJAq8rbghL84nMGjl6vNL5ZWjQgWMqsbFwtPDnAEUBDdDrDD87vVHe8b0YFsdJOt7kQvrF v8C1EMLJxkA3RRZ9XGEBK5czRTviAWl+g2ZGGp55mJQpPUg5O4VCXKvN1iUSkrKoo7iaILB0z7wPe Jjyz8H3mXMfqxm4tCfEL2FHsJ5pd356bIQbTvsyHhNBoxqTRDrfaB50wd3XtR+wnEpJBkvTbW9Qtq qu9DZti6kFBgb7Y4F1EswQ==; Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 15:28:45 +0200 Message-Id: <8634g0x2b6.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN>, Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAN+1HboM8fxYCJhdsgqmwzKh5zHeaTF_KXkTnGH1vOecapjZPQ@HIDDEN> (message from Ship Mints on Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#76567: 30.1; package-install-upgrade-built-in upgrades built-ins to the same version References: <CAN+1HboM8fxYCJhdsgqmwzKh5zHeaTF_KXkTnGH1vOecapjZPQ@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76567 Cc: 76567 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500 > > As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to install > my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune and > curate packages. > > One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is that if > 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, 'package-list-packages' > reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical > versions* in the 30.1 tree. I was expecting upgrades to be actual > upgrades, not side-grades, as they say. The reason I didn't see > this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so I > was happy to take the upgrades. This does not appear to be a > regression, just a general bug report. Philip, could you please look into this?
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charset="UTF-8" As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to install my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune and curate packages. One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is that if 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, 'package-list-packages' reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical versions* in the 30.1 tree. I was expecting upgrades to be actual upgrades, not side-grades, as they say. The reason I didn't see this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so I was happy to take the upgrades. This does not appear to be a regression, just a general bug report. -Stephane In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin22.6.0, NS appkit-2299.77 Version 13.7.2 (Build 22H313)) of 2025-02-25 built on Mac-1740473029287.local Repository revision: 2320030121b57844d3532119c12b340f1bbde5cb Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2113 System Description: macOS 12.7.6 Configured using: 'configure --with-ns --with-modules '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application Support/Emacs/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/opt/homebrew/share/emacs/site-lisp' --with-xwidgets --with-tree-sitter --with-native-compilation=aot 'CFLAGS=-O2 -I/nix/store/z0nspk4zsrimn9432vi6104fkl7gdrhv-libgccjit-13.3.0/include -I/nix/store/z0nspk4zsrimn9432vi6104fkl7gdrhv-libgccjit-13.3.0/include -DFD_SETSIZE=10000 -DDARWIN_UNLIMITED_SELECT -frandom-seed=mfaghx9lmv -isystem 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