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X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#76763: TUTORIAL: Add suggestion to Palm-Press CONTROL Key Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2025 13:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.76763.B76763.174118269222158 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76763 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Prafulla Giri <prafulla.giri@HIDDEN> Cc: 76763 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 76763-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B76763.174118269222158 (code B ref 76763); Wed, 05 Mar 2025 13:52:02 +0000 Received: (at 76763) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Mar 2025 13:51:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36209 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tpp9n-0005lK-Il for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2025 08:51:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59460) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tpp9l-0005l0-5k for 76763 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2025 08:51:29 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tpp9f-0007tY-GS; Wed, 05 Mar 2025 08:51:23 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=m66AZd1CSzTu0M464lAR9zxzLpgLHvoE052819cUhmk=; b=Pbu/3nAXnj8F 79GDsHzPJJizQHRMQw14AoBZmN0eZ5tta6Oqu1lDppZO3AJQk41NtSOi1EmTNjjwWi7RLZSO7ur9j UwzyJKdwg8ZjrxcqPYslfHTKDa93Iky8Etxlh4XX4FGNxTHrKaP598r12D/bVC4oR+LYwfRaRK6M7 fy1c70TszGS+lHp58ZvoE8MORBCAnivwOnbX+gVDpyP3aqrK85BvbEH+Sejq5H9onBEekn3+R0y/K 6ZYjUFYFNUJAF4fF+TYOU6o84AQ98UQSO1Qlh5zrJj4djRvUjtj7Hdq9RYxNUC+dR5Twpryg4TRsa RG0c9deMk5zlVyJuhtzluA==; Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2025 15:51:19 +0200 Message-Id: <86v7snoaaw.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <j1sPp6eqCKUm7Rv22EbPny8FjWhqdCuKYEWBLFvW6OqMXjUgtohnxqgn-4GrJb_5imoU9KujeWsp8xVMPynzn5fCsWhi6EPhF0ONYBio7lo=@protonmail.com> (bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN) References: <j1sPp6eqCKUm7Rv22EbPny8FjWhqdCuKYEWBLFvW6OqMXjUgtohnxqgn-4GrJb_5imoU9KujeWsp8xVMPynzn5fCsWhi6EPhF0ONYBio7lo=@protonmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2025 10:53:34 +0000 > From: Prafulla Giri via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> > > After having developed Emacs Pinkies as a novice, and on finding > https://mihaiolteanu.me/emacs-palm-press-the-ctrl-keys and switching to the Palm-Pressing technique for > the past couple of months, alleviating the issue, I am of the opinion that the tutorial introduction to Emacs > ought to warn of the RSI and suggest the preventative measure, and, therefore, submit a patch (attached), > accordingly, for your consideration. Thanks. I think this fits the Emacs FAQ better than it fits the tutorial.
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#76763: TUTORIAL: Add suggestion to Palm-Press CONTROL Key Resent-From: Prafulla Giri <prafulla.giri@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2025 14:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.76763.B76763.174118550910444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76763 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Cc: 76763 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 76763-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B76763.174118550910444 (code B ref 76763); Wed, 05 Mar 2025 14:39:01 +0000 Received: (at 76763) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Mar 2025 14:38:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36346 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tpptF-0002iO-2D for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2025 09:38:29 -0500 Received: from mail-10696.protonmail.ch ([79.135.106.96]:41049) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <prafulla.giri@HIDDEN>) id 1tpptA-0002i0-VF for 76763 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2025 09:38:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1741185497; x=1741444697; bh=l9tco1eYBWm/6ICAD84RxtY7BTPGgIhHdGH4mI7dYtc=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector:List-Unsubscribe:List-Unsubscribe-Post; b=U3wKc/kylMBoX2htYQ7fQF80ZXcs9hKvAprpYIe4/qSJbX+H5pWU1htitQHjxWfBH RZ6F5b0VnTJd+sfG/D1zIwbcfMgWu3qPGs6HKwv4Ok9BZxBcy3mOFx4TEnqr9Fui45 Pj8OAoIwl6ut+dsgZkFPHJThnY7tOFUY1enjnvIF8oDcO0XbJW1TqDkIkZCGNHl3lr 31W+97wcYNAohpil/ZZ6kdOJ0WgCV1MscrxFKm3/UfSeEfei4CHyjK4+QTeeHC8RF3 KSkOA0EnYLsmsvH/BXuH/GI1naDNSSsalh0D5LntbWOl6NH8SfFNYcW0Ye1dYudLLT EmUlhlLe5Gg/g== Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2025 14:38:15 +0000 From: Prafulla Giri <prafulla.giri@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <0ASvsMenr7sRAODjrJAPMB6kgkv-ppi-_bnflZediWbtqX7G-30AHyvDEOn7HnvDm2uoQZCJTQ1lCqFmSRFZy1iBmu4fIWxNDxBq024-R8U=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: <86v7snoaaw.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <j1sPp6eqCKUm7Rv22EbPny8FjWhqdCuKYEWBLFvW6OqMXjUgtohnxqgn-4GrJb_5imoU9KujeWsp8xVMPynzn5fCsWhi6EPhF0ONYBio7lo=@protonmail.com> <86v7snoaaw.fsf@HIDDEN> Feedback-ID: 33818994:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: 0e380c92fa81c5807332439caf4ee52b84bcd728 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Wednesday, March 5th, 2025 at 7:36 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrot= e: > I think this fits the Emacs FAQ better than it fits the tutorial. I think it is better if novices were shown the healthier way right from the= get-go: the tutorial. Discussions of RSI-prevention is often intensive: co= vering custom keybindings, split-keyboards, etc. much above what a novice c= an take in. In my own case, I'd heard of Emacs pinkie but didn't exactly kn= ow what it was till I woke up with them; and I'd deferred learning about er= gonomic emacs til I sufficiently mastered vanilla emacs. I really wish I ha= d someone tell me to palm-press to begin with. And what better place than t= he tutorial itself? I think we'll save upcoming generations starting on the= now-prevalent keyboard lots of strain if we only give them a heads up.
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