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Full text available.Received: (at 7741) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2015 23:13:30 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 14 19:13:30 2015 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49356 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ZF9OD-0003AG-J1 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:13:29 -0400 Received: from mail-ie0-f176.google.com ([209.85.223.176]:33217) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <xfq.free@HIDDEN>) id 1ZF9OB-0003A0-Cf for 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:13:27 -0400 Received: by ietj16 with SMTP id j16so22124921iet.0 for <7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:13:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=71uHzICKz88H+8C6KxYuBj5Bn3eK7xDp1gsdmYsByT0=; b=bofr9Roen48D86q1Z1xKTfxYD7/HLeCP8cAR76ALlmjShc5k9z4o+gywQu7oTPcnt7 zj3xg5kYo+9K4V4uIRcW2TC1Z99/bIGj3qsKnaSrahy9hpsAIuFvF/zUJiDRAtNnGBIl jtT5qW2VFdLfhSsP1WffchY+4uG2DzJiTl0KqMAhRc9ToE/4fX2SfKHfy05hjd7wAZHZ C7snNk1JAhymsjDglwkFnpEQvLhvc6Rkot08EKnB6YvOd7gprRi4Tu6AebOfn5rad1DT 3cMqU9el1EbxXwXb1SzU3BF03yT6RndockX1xwsM3sdrmi1GrPS2HxDTUVfGIoL20HTV NGhQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.43.226 with SMTP id z2mr6697070igl.65.1436915601771; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.79.14.10 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:13:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55A4615A.5070006@HIDDEN> References: <87r5d3z8wy.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAOnWdog6amYaqj6DAXPB-uj77uy1WnOxHeEGcfN4z=Md8ohFyQ@HIDDEN> <3owpy4g6kv.fsf@HIDDEN> <mnva73$v86$1@HIDDEN> <CAAF+z6FGN=bXk0YBq_TsaHkKfOe+OaN1PQ6uPi7n3Deuvs3jeg@HIDDEN> <55A4615A.5070006@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:13:21 +0800 Message-ID: <CAAF+z6G99zeWZAzo1kHURxqpeiFtjOzzmfSB2J_VKvXsuvHXsg@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#7741: More about folding emacsclient into emacs From: Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@HIDDEN> To: Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7741 Cc: 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@HIDDEN> wrote: > On Tuesday 14 July 2015 04:37 AM, Xue Fuqiao wrote: >>> 1. Can I control what emacs (i.e., from which path) the emacs daemon >>> > will be loaded from. > >> You can set the variable `server-name' on the Emacs server and use the >> `-s' option of emacsclient. (Although it's not supported on >> MS-Windows.) > > I don't work on remote machines across a network connection. You don't have to. See below. > can the daemon use my git checkout binary or the local > installation?" IIUC you can start the git checkout emacs binary and the local installation with: $ /path/to/git/checkout/src/emacs --daemon=git $ emacs --daemon=local and use `emacsclient -s git' or `emacsclient -s local' to connect to the daemon you want to use.
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On Tuesday 14 July 2015 04:37 AM, Xue Fuqiao wrote:
>> 1. Can I control what emacs (i.e., from which path) the emacs daemon
>> > will be loaded from.
> You can set the variable `server-name' on the Emacs server and use the
> `-s' option of emacsclient. (Although it's not supported on
> MS-Windows.)
I don't work on remote machines across a network connection. I was
asking more like:
"Does the `-a' option take a full path. For eg, can the daemon
use my git checkout binary or the local installation?"
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Full text available.Received: (at 7741) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2015 23:07:43 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 13 19:07:42 2015 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48419 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ZEmp4-0006cM-FE for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 19:07:42 -0400 Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com ([209.85.212.172]:37212) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <xfq.free@HIDDEN>) id 1ZEmp2-0006c9-S1 for 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 19:07:41 -0400 Received: by wibud3 with SMTP id ud3so50129wib.0 for <7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:07:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qO5wieDLhwwuyT/ltVtis7GOsc1PnlGX4Et9zp0mtRA=; b=FTPkKXesaQ8jS0XPAY4EtkK/mIqeX9KuMwK9ky+a4bFTQnBxqObtqSYWPf74TW7Okz XEdHSPrzqe6ruuSF7bdkwilVeFpx/xsYiejWyrnWMu3B81mAPmjsCGhJELjmXnzS7UBt aRCD/rWkPH7s/pkSQxBLrh+2NPm8F0W/c775wAknXiKw8ZwNeRi1DZMdkOx4zOwm/8pK DJN1pwXqS5iqOF+5Xn+uSRqfbBAYbMA7kidKrgyTmcUUEQiQC+kbW0wDVmzIRtgbAjwN 1YwNavMO8CHzVIT1bwNo/uaU9hIXFOVYWMCxHME4I3p0ou3OTKEijRH2Rd76SWpZRomB N8Tw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.205.101 with SMTP id lf5mr76869198wjc.37.1436828855261; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.70.230 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:07:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <mnva73$v86$1@HIDDEN> References: <87r5d3z8wy.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAOnWdog6amYaqj6DAXPB-uj77uy1WnOxHeEGcfN4z=Md8ohFyQ@HIDDEN> <3owpy4g6kv.fsf@HIDDEN> <mnva73$v86$1@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:07:35 +0800 Message-ID: <CAAF+z6FGN=bXk0YBq_TsaHkKfOe+OaN1PQ6uPi7n3Deuvs3jeg@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#7741: More about folding emacsclient into emacs From: Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@HIDDEN> To: vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@HIDDEN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7741 Cc: 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@HIDDEN> wrote: > 1. Can I control what emacs (i.e., from which path) the emacs daemon > will be loaded from. You can set the variable `server-name' on the Emacs server and use the `-s' option of emacsclient. (Although it's not supported on MS-Windows.)
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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 11:44:46 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@HIDDEN List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) On Monday 13 July 2015 07:30 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: > Reuben Thomas wrote: > >> So again, it would be good if emacsclient were folded into emacs. I just >> had a look at their respective command-line options, and I can't see any >> that clash (where the same option is used for both programs, it's used for >> the same thing). >> >> What would remain is to add options --[no]client to force "emacs" to [not] >> behave as "emacsclient", and decide a sensible default policy. A sensible >> place to start seems to be to behave like emacsclient when called with >> --alternate-editor="", that is, try to connect to a server, and if one >> can't be found, start normally (emacsclient would instead run "emacs >> --daemon" here and try to connect to it). >> >> Regardless of whether anyone feels like hacking on this, I'd like to know >> whether it's a tractable design problem (have I missed anything major?) and >> clikely to be accepted. If so, I might be up for hacking on it. > > I had the same thoughts recently and found that, of course, there is > already an open report for it. > > So I'm just chiming in very late to say that I agree with pretty much > everything you said, and I would like to see a patch for this. Some doubts I had while using emacsclient: 1. Can I control what emacs (i.e., from which path) the emacs daemon will be loaded from. 2. I had to use the "-F" option to keep the client frame maximized. It is not obvious how to pass in an ALIST on command line. I was wondering if there is an use case where the client would need an init script of it's own. This tiny script can store FRAME params for example. So, frame maximization and an init script is a __behaviour__ that both the emacsclient and regular emacs possibly share.
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Reuben Thomas wrote:
> So again, it would be good if emacsclient were folded into emacs. I just
> had a look at their respective command-line options, and I can't see any
> that clash (where the same option is used for both programs, it's used for
> the same thing).
>
> What would remain is to add options --[no]client to force "emacs" to [not]
> behave as "emacsclient", and decide a sensible default policy. A sensible
> place to start seems to be to behave like emacsclient when called with
> --alternate-editor="", that is, try to connect to a server, and if one
> can't be found, start normally (emacsclient would instead run "emacs
> --daemon" here and try to connect to it).
>
> Regardless of whether anyone feels like hacking on this, I'd like to know
> whether it's a tractable design problem (have I missed anything major?) and
> clikely to be accepted. If so, I might be up for hacking on it.
I had the same thoughts recently and found that, of course, there is
already an open report for it.
So I'm just chiming in very late to say that I agree with pretty much
everything you said, and I would like to see a patch for this.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#7741; Package emacs.
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Another way of looking at it: currently, "Emacs 24" is the default application for many text filetypes under GNOME. For many users, this is annoying, as it starts a new instance of Emacs each time. I have configured "emacsclient" as a text editor in my system (this does not seem to be available by default), but I then still have to configure it as the default editor for each file type in Nautilus. One option would be to offer "emacsclient" as the default, but that's also confusing, for users who don't know about emacsclient. So again, it would be good if emacsclient were folded into emacs. I just had a look at their respective command-line options, and I can't see any that clash (where the same option is used for both programs, it's used for the same thing). What would remain is to add options --[no]client to force "emacs" to [not] behave as "emacsclient", and decide a sensible default policy. A sensible place to start seems to be to behave like emacsclient when called with --alternate-editor="", that is, try to connect to a server, and if one can't be found, start normally (emacsclient would instead run "emacs --daemon" here and try to connect to it). Regardless of whether anyone feels like hacking on this, I'd like to know whether it's a tractable design problem (have I missed anything major?) and clikely to be accepted. If so, I might be up for hacking on it. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a1132f2d2cb5aba04e8f7ef9b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>I've just been drawn back to = look at this bug. Another way of looking at it: currently, "Emacs 24&q= uot; is the default application for many text filetypes under GNOME. For ma= ny users, this is annoying, as it starts a new instance of Emacs each time.= <br> <br></div>I have configured "emacsclient" as a text editor in my = system (this does not seem to be available by default), but I then still ha= ve to configure it as the default editor for each file type in Nautilus.<br= > <br></div>One option would be to offer "emacsclient" as the defau= lt, but that's also confusing, for users who don't know about emacs= client.<br><br></div>So again, it would be good if emacsclient were folded = into emacs. I just had a look at their respective command-line options, and= I can't see any that clash (where the same option is used for both pro= grams, it's used for the same thing).<br> <br></div>What would remain is to add options --[no]client to force "e= macs" to [not] behave as "emacsclient", and decide a sensibl= e default policy. A sensible place to start seems to be to behave like emac= sclient when called with --alternate-editor=3D"", that is, try to= connect to a server, and if one can't be found, start normally (emacsc= lient would instead run "emacs --daemon" here and try to connect = to it).<br> <br></div>Regardless of whether anyone feels like hacking on this, I'd = like to know whether it's a tractable design problem (have I missed any= thing major?) and clikely to be accepted. If so, I might be up for hacking = on it.<br clear=3D"all"> <div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br>-- <br><a href=3D"http://rrt.sc3d.or= g">http://rrt.sc3d.org</a> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div> --001a1132f2d2cb5aba04e8f7ef9b--
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Full text available.Received: (at 7741) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2011 17:54:36 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 13:54:36 2011 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1QdnLv-0000s7-DE for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:54:35 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com ([209.85.210.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <lekktu@HIDDEN>) id 1QdnLt-0000rr-Dm for 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:54:34 -0400 Received: by pzk5 with SMTP id 5so820841pzk.3 for <7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:54:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9UHvvFlynRcV8eApqkHSb0lldY8cc6YL9xI/ZrY4waU=; b=UYXNAdQ7093SmACM1PWuqg/mOoPI7zB1QpEqqAfDsbHaHw7FELiI1VGvZ5IeS4dxT0 OLJnD1Wj7c7DYMrDth7N/2uXWM8IAecSOzrwqLB8ithe8hJzXfd0cwdqJtsXQnEpH/rf vKkgnRYxpVoxWnTedhcjJwpqFi14MTpDLV/N0= Received: by 10.143.66.15 with SMTP id t15mr2871284wfk.278.1309802067262; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:54:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.48.6 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 10:53:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CAOnWdohEhp3qE2Dq1T-Z6raJyqqShzXe2rZ-cbmtVMo4Fmz=PA@HIDDEN> References: <87r5d3z8wy.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAAeL0STWEdopP72mKPV3OQZUJwq2E7jFyBSvn+UheLoQjpO0dA@HIDDEN> <CAOnWdojsHjODBgVLwcPs_Y6qt7beMs-+HuiDsgOiOH_v8jwCEQ@HIDDEN> <CAAeL0SRL-b2d=th-61xtHSdhotv+bZqceASgormamRxCMRKnUg@HIDDEN> <CAOnWdohEhp3qE2Dq1T-Z6raJyqqShzXe2rZ-cbmtVMo4Fmz=PA@HIDDEN> From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:53:47 +0200 Message-ID: <CAAeL0SQqi24C5JW9WMyP_Z7bTDD1bvBFEnzSqWsoE_ZdrWW1NQ@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#7741: 23.2.91; Please allow emacs to run emacsclient To: Reuben Thomas <rrt@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7741 Cc: 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 19:44, Reuben Thomas <rrt@HIDDEN> wrote: > and > unfortunately there is still a mentality of "that can be fixed by > adding an option". There are far too many options! Sometimes a behavior is so obviously good that it is really a bugfix, and no option is needed. For all the rest, the alternative to options is "please use the defaults that I find more useful". Hard to do for every value of "I" greater than one. As for the rest, my comment meant just that I don't find this change worth the trouble. YM obviously V, and I'm sure there are developers who agree with you. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma
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Full text available.Received: (at 7741) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2011 17:44:48 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 13:44:48 2011 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1QdnCR-0008Fe-NN for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:44:48 -0400 Received: from exprod7og115.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.217]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <rrt@HIDDEN>) id 1QdnCP-0008FP-Gk for 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:44:46 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f47.google.com ([209.85.210.47]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob115.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKThH8B97+IqcCvpKyU6rCfaC6tvRJ4Qm/@postini.com; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:44:45 PDT Received: by pzk36 with SMTP id 36so3005330pzk.20 for <7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:44:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.60.1 with SMTP id n1mr2873432wfk.331.1309801478866; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.226.19 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 10:44:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CAAeL0SRL-b2d=th-61xtHSdhotv+bZqceASgormamRxCMRKnUg@HIDDEN> References: <87r5d3z8wy.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAAeL0STWEdopP72mKPV3OQZUJwq2E7jFyBSvn+UheLoQjpO0dA@HIDDEN> <CAOnWdojsHjODBgVLwcPs_Y6qt7beMs-+HuiDsgOiOH_v8jwCEQ@HIDDEN> <CAAeL0SRL-b2d=th-61xtHSdhotv+bZqceASgormamRxCMRKnUg@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 18:44:38 +0100 Message-ID: <CAOnWdohEhp3qE2Dq1T-Z6raJyqqShzXe2rZ-cbmtVMo4Fmz=PA@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#7741: 23.2.91; Please allow emacs to run emacsclient From: Reuben Thomas <rrt@HIDDEN> To: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7741 Cc: 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) On 4 July 2011 18:32, Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@HIDDEN> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 18:23, Reuben Thomas <rrt@HIDDEN> wrote: > >> it seems worth >> pursuing making things simpler. Here, I'm after a solution that means >> that one can set EDITOR=3Demacs, and it will just DTRT, i.e. start Emacs >> if not already started, or use emacsclient otherwise. > > Simpler than using emacsclient -a "" or the emacs daemon? Exactly. > But what you're talking aboutis =A0saving a few keystrokes > once... Exactly. > It is > possible to use Emacs out of the box, but even users without time or > expertise will have to set up more than that to make effective use of > Emacs, I think. Exactly, that is the problem. > Doesn't seem worth the trouble to me, but that's just MHO. It is certainly worth the trouble. Emacs is an extremely powerful editor with an amazing wealth of functionality. In recent years there has been some excellent work on making more of this work out of the box, but far too much is still left untapped by most users. I am a constant and moderately advanced user of Emacs, but there are many exciting and potentially useful features I have never even tried simply because I have not the time to configure them. Working out how to activate powerful new features out of the box without either confusing new users or annoying existing users is often tricky, but once a feature has been introduced and found useful, it's pretty much an essential step in order to make it widely available. As an example, look how many users still complain of Emacs's "lack" of features found in other IDEs. Actually, many of these features are available in Emacs, but they take time to set up. This means that many users don't get to see them, and, just as important, the packages themselves don't get the feedback or polish they deserve. One example is CEDET, whose code comprehension and refactoring capabilities I've tried to use more than once, but have always come up against minor bugs which made it unusable for me. Another is nXhtml, which I use despite some annoying minor bugs (fortunately for my use they are mostly cosmetic), thanks to significant one-to-one help from the author. It would be unfair of me not to point out that Emacs is much better in this regard than it was a few years ago (I remember when even syntax coloring was off by default!), but it still suffers from configurationitis worse than any other program I use regularly, and unfortunately there is still a mentality of "that can be fixed by adding an option". There are far too many options! --=20 http://rrt.sc3d.org
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Full text available.Received: (at 7741) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2011 17:32:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 13:32:59 2011 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1Qdn10-0007ym-MR for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:32:58 -0400 Received: from mail-pv0-f172.google.com ([74.125.83.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <lekktu@HIDDEN>) id 1Qdn0y-0007yX-T1 for 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:32:57 -0400 Received: by pvh18 with SMTP id 18so5060061pvh.3 for <7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:32:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sgCa4qv63izmXPxGBXL5lJpB6/b6Pjl/5RCVFCAEi7I=; b=GOz6tXvoMzPweOmtSeEuSJ5j9g1e/2/QoarWnAP0g0IDDLj0BohWx91PIjl+QbPwe0 j0ZCwSmuOuRGGy9h6CRuEHV9unSbT9J4Vd+wuS8O1qw+C3qmEx5v/wIX9EuSHhRNd4Dh a91qUeka1HJc24K+9vkzWijibHYXCknAxEkAI= Received: by 10.142.215.15 with SMTP id n15mr588062wfg.107.1309800769148; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:32:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.48.6 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 10:32:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CAOnWdojsHjODBgVLwcPs_Y6qt7beMs-+HuiDsgOiOH_v8jwCEQ@HIDDEN> References: <87r5d3z8wy.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAAeL0STWEdopP72mKPV3OQZUJwq2E7jFyBSvn+UheLoQjpO0dA@HIDDEN> <CAOnWdojsHjODBgVLwcPs_Y6qt7beMs-+HuiDsgOiOH_v8jwCEQ@HIDDEN> From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:32:09 +0200 Message-ID: <CAAeL0SRL-b2d=th-61xtHSdhotv+bZqceASgormamRxCMRKnUg@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#7741: 23.2.91; Please allow emacs to run emacsclient To: Reuben Thomas <rrt@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7741 Cc: 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 18:23, Reuben Thomas <rrt@HIDDEN> wrote: > it seems worth > pursuing making things simpler. Here, I'm after a solution that means > that one can set EDITOR=3Demacs, and it will just DTRT, i.e. start Emacs > if not already started, or use emacsclient otherwise. Simpler than using emacsclient -a "" or the emacs daemon? > All the required behavior already exists, but it's still necessary to > use emacsclient and set up some environment variables to make it all > work; it should be possible to do pretty much everything out of the > box, which would give users who don't have the time or expertise to > set everything up access to the same convenience and functionality. But what you're talking aboutis saving a few keystrokes once... It is possible to use Emacs out of the box, but even users without time or expertise will have to set up more than that to make effective use of Emacs, I think. Doesn't seem worth the trouble to me, but that's just MHO. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma
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Full text available.Received: (at 7741) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2011 16:23:57 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 12:23:56 2011 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1QdlwC-0006O4-8R for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 12:23:56 -0400 Received: from exprod7og115.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.217]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <rrt@HIDDEN>) id 1Qdlw9-0006Ne-K9 for 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 12:23:54 -0400 Received: from mail-pv0-f169.google.com ([74.125.83.169]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob115.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKThHpCO3EbdHsUvGkx0A4krDJ26LiJUcX@HIDDEN; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 09:23:42 PDT Received: by mail-pv0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 12so4830943pvc.28 for <7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 09:23:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.60.1 with SMTP id n1mr2849667wfk.331.1309796616372; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 09:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.226.19 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 09:23:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CAAeL0STWEdopP72mKPV3OQZUJwq2E7jFyBSvn+UheLoQjpO0dA@HIDDEN> References: <87r5d3z8wy.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAAeL0STWEdopP72mKPV3OQZUJwq2E7jFyBSvn+UheLoQjpO0dA@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 17:23:36 +0100 Message-ID: <CAOnWdojsHjODBgVLwcPs_Y6qt7beMs-+HuiDsgOiOH_v8jwCEQ@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#7741: 23.2.91; Please allow emacs to run emacsclient From: Reuben Thomas <rrt@HIDDEN> To: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7741 Cc: 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) On 4 July 2011 12:43, Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@HIDDEN> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 13:39, Reuben Thomas <rrt@HIDDEN> wrote: > >> It would be >> nice if emacs did the same, i.e. if emacs had a -client flag which made >> it work like emacsclient. Even if it did something as simple as passing >> the remaining arguments to emacsclient. > > Isn't that the kind of thing that's easily done with a shell script? > (I certainly do much more complicated things to start emacs / > emacsclient with Windows' CMD.EXE, which is far less powerful that any > POSIX shell...) Of course, a shell script could do the task, it just would be good to have out of the box. Given the amount of effort that has already gone into making it possible to use emacsclient (e.g. ALTERNATE_EDITOR and its magic behavior when it exists but is empty), it seems worth pursuing making things simpler. Here, I'm after a solution that means that one can set EDITOR=emacs, and it will just DTRT, i.e. start Emacs if not already started, or use emacsclient otherwise. All the required behavior already exists, but it's still necessary to use emacsclient and set up some environment variables to make it all work; it should be possible to do pretty much everything out of the box, which would give users who don't have the time or expertise to set everything up access to the same convenience and functionality. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org
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Full text available.Received: (at 7741) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2011 11:44:31 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 07:44:31 2011 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1QdhZn-0003Ne-JV for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 07:44:31 -0400 Received: from mail-pv0-f172.google.com ([74.125.83.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <lekktu@HIDDEN>) id 1QdhZl-0003NS-6f for 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 07:44:29 -0400 Received: by pvh18 with SMTP id 18so4810991pvh.3 for <7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 04:44:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KqLk/WJotDzHcmORCeRn/3apngjZX2/o4Ot+U36wZCI=; b=I013OjDeJ1vEtOhdfl2Fy5At7Ypzs4/NOMSwEX0NLuRYZbAOflZgCGyZGVj2Uluxch bzVbE1TCsDrdVcs5v+//0hIVg5Kntv69qKJNbD9XNdDPpgwCMW/83mqc7blvJmI64h4U gNUTmJ/v7F99BLavIxKZtwDnuXVqeebTe1nVc= Received: by 10.142.215.15 with SMTP id n15mr471908wfg.107.1309779863149; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 04:44:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.48.6 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 04:43:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87r5d3z8wy.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87r5d3z8wy.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:43:43 +0200 Message-ID: <CAAeL0STWEdopP72mKPV3OQZUJwq2E7jFyBSvn+UheLoQjpO0dA@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#7741: 23.2.91; Please allow emacs to run emacsclient To: Reuben Thomas <rrt@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7741 Cc: 7741 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 13:39, Reuben Thomas <rrt@HIDDEN> wrote: > It would be > nice if emacs did the same, i.e. if emacs had a -client flag which made > it work like emacsclient. Even if it did something as simple as passing > the remaining arguments to emacsclient. Isn't that the kind of thing that's easily done with a shell script? (I certainly do much more complicated things to start emacs / emacsclient with Windows' CMD.EXE, which is far less powerful that any POSIX shell...) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2010 12:35:21 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 27 07:35:21 2010 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1PXCIJ-0007tn-S9 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:35:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <rrt@HIDDEN>) id 1PXCIH-0007tc-UR for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:35:19 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rrt@HIDDEN>) id 1PXCOZ-00019I-Uv for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:42:06 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:41210) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rrt@HIDDEN>) id 1PXCOZ-000194-QV for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:41:47 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34745 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PXCO0-0000F0-Co for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:41:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rrt@HIDDEN>) id 1PXCMv-0000bu-RY for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:41:11 -0500 Received: from exprod7og105.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.163]:55231) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rrt@HIDDEN>) id 1PXCMv-0000Xe-F0 for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:40:05 -0500 Received: from source ([74.125.82.179]) by exprod7ob105.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTRiJIQ1cm6A1SgSWsp0zMQ1gh9c2HENv@HIDDEN; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 04:40:05 PST Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so8210626wyi.38 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 04:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.183.145 with SMTP id q17mr11447027wem.5.1293453600419; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 04:40:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mord (cpc4-hitc1-0-0-cust477.9-2.cable.virginmedia.com [86.11.13.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e12sm5879291wer.36.2010.12.27.04.39.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 27 Dec 2010 04:39:59 -0800 (PST) From: Reuben Thomas <rrt@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 23.2.91; Please allow emacs to run emacsclient Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:39:57 +0000 Message-ID: <87r5d3z8wy.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) At present, =E2=80=9Cemacsclient=E2=80=9D is a reasonable replacement for = =E2=80=9Cemacs=E2=80=9D, in that emacsclient can be configured to run emacs in daemon mode if it=E2=80= =99s not already running. But it is longer to type, harder to learn, and even after years of use, I find I have trouble remembering, sometimes to use it. It also looks odd to use emacsclient rather than emacs in configuration files like /etc/mailcap. In short, it=E2=80=99s yet another t= hing to remember. Most web browsers fix this problem nicely by using the same command to start the browser as to open a new window in that browser. It would be nice if emacs did the same, i.e. if emacs had a -client flag which made it work like emacsclient. Even if it did something as simple as passing the remaining arguments to emacsclient. In GNU Emacs 23.2.91.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.22.0) of 2010-12-23 on mord Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10900000 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_GB.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Text Minor modes in effect: buffer-face-mode: t flyspell-mode: t show-paren-mode: t savehist-mode: t minibuffer-electric-default-mode: t iswitchb-mode: t icomplete-mode: t global-auto-revert-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t smart-quotes-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: <right> <right> <right> <right> <right> <right> <right>=20 <right> <right> <right> <right> <right> e o g : S-SPC=20 C-x C-a <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> C-a=20 <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>=20 <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>=20 <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> C-n=20 C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p=20 C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p=20 C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p=20 C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p=20 C-p C-p C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n=20 C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n=20 C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n=20 C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n=20 C-n C-n C-n C-n C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p=20 C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p=20 C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p=20 C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-n C-n C-p C-p C-n C-n C-p=20 C-p C-k C-k C-x C-s <help-echo> C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n=20 C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n=20 C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n=20 C-n C-n C-n M-x m e a c s <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>=20 <backspace> <backspace> e m a c s - r e p o r t <backspace>=20 <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>=20 <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>=20 <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>=20 <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>=20 <backspace> <backspace> r e p o r t - <return> Recent messages: Undo! [5 times] Saving file /home/rrt/.mailcap... Wrote /home/rrt/.mailcap Mark set [3 times] Saving file /home/rrt/.mailcap... Wrote /home/rrt/.mailcap Auto-saving...done Saving file /home/rrt/.mailcap... 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