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Full text available.Received: (at 22725) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2016 00:57:36 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 18 19:57:36 2016 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33325 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1aWZO4-0002Ld-3m for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:57:36 -0500 Received: from mail-vk0-f50.google.com ([209.85.213.50]:34871) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <pvinis@HIDDEN>) id 1aWZO3-0002LQ-7g for 22725 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:57:35 -0500 Received: by mail-vk0-f50.google.com with SMTP id e6so60990114vkh.2 for <22725 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:57:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=q4w6+DQ4Dg4CEyVwpsPh1lc29zthA1cEG7tpjWIij5E=; b=bKqSvvoY4S1e6JqJGTYC5RWD9Dzp5Zyh8HAGz6xKWRDirMiNioTYtnnIaxdbouJScX /5z0YtstvgTiMuY6td15hO1shuRB1zaNuUKMj6dayc/n5RkOrRU7q1+Uu6+Gy0VGe4nr SJBax/mMBnXLB1pvi+KTjQtd3yt/hCAoKMJLJlURsz+qnAugdF7RKM/ijcNqUkifz18F 3zcyWqPw19ozXLqPH2o/UvLQVxhCWKww5kUF3VCyTWYgsXsVRBAS8X6n3cu4qYHM/SPg FJKb30ExNrIOg3wY/chnwRp4QPjmZo89WtvbIa4MrBVRSmZvz4e9Xz5N0d5trVFC5ubv iv/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=q4w6+DQ4Dg4CEyVwpsPh1lc29zthA1cEG7tpjWIij5E=; b=hARL+BnY7QN24+SLBQODRTXx58lazEgbmItmCHlGPlStIztP83O3TSI9jhaxJrF3at oG/9/VWlqwr5PDUSE9Gg3E+rCd0gmOczg+iI07sD5q9mIfEJgJ4+A/73FEr5DsP5M7ZX HauHK0/R+iQ1f+2PQ5/cSG7Au7hR95xE1KXqrpGtRnKLzmkDD7z2+kfFZ9o1oAv3UhYj ccCeM1f8QyfWhX6SsZ5RAC74hb7SMhULLz0At3MA9Ep68g1Dd6GKsOWnM9VmmwSPeNpN uS1/mVFASUg1jQZw547P9O8pCO9Fd9JKbGBGZMRWdTtiCSANjPzJnc49s8Y0ULLBU5fU ImUA== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOS/P0aBLTuIAQ8Vs/vhJHSGzj/1C5Ahu8k+HpMh3c6OjmFaPy4uThpZSf0L5Lna8d8G+MFyInhpzeXRKg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.140.130 with SMTP id o124mr895388vkd.145.1455843449436; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.40.149 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:57:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <safuwpfzxb.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <etPan.56c4faeb.3a44692c.1692@HIDDEN> <3kr3ga90i9.fsf@HIDDEN> <etPan.56c59220.3910bdd9.218@HIDDEN> <safuwpfzxb.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 01:57:29 +0100 Message-ID: <CANxk36Rufmi8ujtiDpOv_hQLaspU6L7jRSqh6-SPHH6NKJ878g@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#22725: 24.5; emacsclient gui app From: Pavlos Vinieratos <pvinis@HIDDEN> To: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22725 Cc: 22725 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) ok then how about we actually make it work like firefox, so when you close all windows of Emacs.app, it doesn=E2=80=99t quit. it stays, keeping = the instance running. so if i click on it again, it opens a new windows connecting to the existing instance. would that make more sense? On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> wrote: > > I think this is how Emacs in general should work. > There should be no separate "emacsclient", only "emacs". > The first call to "emacs" would start a server by default. > Subsequent calls to "emacs" would always connect to the running Emacs, > unless you used "emacs --new-instance" or somesuch. > This is how eg Firefox works. > > I don't think this is a new suggestion, eg bug#7741 explains it all. > But there's no sign of it happening. > --=20 Pavlos Vinieratos
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Full text available.Received: (at 22725) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2016 21:53:46 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 18 16:53:46 2016 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33290 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1aWWW9-0006VR-Up for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:53:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56628) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1aWWW8-0006VE-Qx for 22725 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:53:45 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1aWWW2-0006Zt-Tq for 22725 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:53:39 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57075) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1aWWW1-0006Zc-BI; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:53:37 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1aWWW0-0007J9-IA; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:53:36 -0500 From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> To: Pavlos Vinieratos <pvinis@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#22725: 24.5; emacsclient gui app References: <etPan.56c4faeb.3a44692c.1692@HIDDEN> <3kr3ga90i9.fsf@HIDDEN> <3kr3ga90i9.fsf@HIDDEN> <etPan.56c59220.3910bdd9.218@HIDDEN> X-Spook: Rule Psix Telex Denial of service ASIO Crowell FSF X-Ran: mn7NUZld?txsC7NiPyMkB@FrQbL48x,lt&t:8F|6m,A_d84$*N#$hp(U.I&fa_[TXq(iTQ X-Hue: white X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:53:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: <etPan.56c59220.3910bdd9.218@HIDDEN> (Pavlos Vinieratos's message of "Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:42:56 +0100") Message-ID: <safuwpfzxb.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22725 Cc: 22725 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) I think this is how Emacs in general should work. There should be no separate "emacsclient", only "emacs". The first call to "emacs" would start a server by default. Subsequent calls to "emacs" would always connect to the running Emacs, unless you used "emacs --new-instance" or somesuch. This is how eg Firefox works. I don't think this is a new suggestion, eg bug#7741 explains it all. But there's no sign of it happening.
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[212.17.107.66]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s2sm5640665wjs.39.2016.02.18.01.42.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 18 Feb 2016 01:42:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:42:56 +0100 From: Pavlos Vinieratos <pvinis@HIDDEN> To: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <etPan.56c59220.3910bdd9.218@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <3kr3ga90i9.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <etPan.56c4faeb.3a44692c.1692@HIDDEN> <3kr3ga90i9.fsf@HIDDEN> <3kr3ga90i9.fsf@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#22725: 24.5; emacsclient gui app X-Mailer: Airmail Beta (350) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="56c59220_3a116bc1_218" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22725 Cc: 22725 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --56c59220_3a116bc1_218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline but i cannot run it with an app-script unless i give the full path to emacsclient. its a good workaround, but i think its not general enough. i dont think that this functionality is something for a dotfile or a script you make again and again for your machines. i think its something basic thats needs to be available, like the full emacs app. what do you think? i could try to implement it, in a local branch, and then submit a pull request. would that be of interest? -- Pavlos Vinieratos On 18 February 2016 at 04:10:41, Glenn Morris (rgm@HIDDEN) wrote: It seems to me that emacsclient -a "" -c does what you want, and you should be able to bind that to whatever action/icon you wish. --56c59220_3a116bc1_218 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline <html><head><style>body=7Bfont-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px=7D</= style></head><body style=3D=22word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: s= pace; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;=22><div id=3D=22bloop=5Fcust= omfont=22 style=3D=22font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: r= gba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;=22><span style=3D=22font-= family: 'helvetica Neue', helvetica;=22>but i cannot run it with an app-s= cript unless i give the full path to emacsclient. its a good workaround, = but i think its not general enough. i dont think that this functionality = is something for a dotfile or a script you make again and again for your = machines. i think its something basic thats needs to be available, like t= he full emacs app. what do you think=3F</span></div> <div><br></div><div>= <p style=3D=22font-family: 'helvetica Neue', helvetica; margin: 0px;=22><= font face=3D=22Helvetica=22 style=3D=22line-height: normal; font-family: = Helvetica;=22>i could try to implement it, in a local branch, and then su= bmit a pull request. would that be of interest=3F</font></p></div><div><f= ont face=3D=22Helvetica=22 style=3D=22line-height: normal; font-family: H= elvetica;=22><br></font></div><br> <div id=3D=22bloop=5Fsign=5F1455788535= 766629888=22 class=3D=22bloop=5Fsign=22><div style=3D=22font-family:helve= tica,arial;font-size:13px=22>--<br>Pavlos Vinieratos</div><div style=3D=22= font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px=22><br></div></div> <br><p cla= ss=3D=22airmail=5Fon=22>On 18 =46ebruary 2016 at 04:10:41, Glenn Morris (= <a href=3D=22mailto:rgm=40gnu.org=22>rgm=40gnu.org</a>) wrote:</p> <block= quote type=3D=22cite=22 class=3D=22clean=5Fbq=22><span><div><div></div><d= iv> <br>It seems to me that <br> <br>emacsclient -a =22=22 -c <br> <br>does what you want, and you should be able to bind that to whatever <br>action/icon you wish. <br></div></div></span></blockquote></body></html> --56c59220_3a116bc1_218--
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Full text available.Received: (at 22725) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2016 03:10:49 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 17 22:10:49 2016 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60099 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1aWEzR-00054c-IP for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:10:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44580) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1aWEzP-00054P-MU for 22725 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:10:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1aWEzJ-0003Px-MJ for 22725 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:10:42 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38648) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1aWEzI-0003Pi-1d; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:10:40 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1aWEzH-0002NZ-7Q; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:10:39 -0500 From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> To: Pavlos Vinieratos <pvinis@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#22725: 24.5; emacsclient gui app References: <etPan.56c4faeb.3a44692c.1692@HIDDEN> X-Spook: Black out BROMURE INS benelux radar Eco terrorism Fort X-Ran: L(Qy:cHI)IrSpN&>5wVVgQS"q!qqh3VxwpN^[O!6Py'n8!s?veOe]PYB/=[UK#e|H|-[PG X-Hue: white X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:10:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: <etPan.56c4faeb.3a44692c.1692@HIDDEN> (Pavlos Vinieratos's message of "Wed, 17 Feb 2016 23:57:47 +0100") Message-ID: <3kr3ga90i9.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22725 Cc: 22725 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) It seems to me that emacsclient -a "" -c does what you want, and you should be able to bind that to whatever action/icon you wish.
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[91.115.9.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g126sm56942wmf.16.2016.02.17.14.57.47 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:57:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 23:57:47 +0100 From: Pavlos Vinieratos <pvinis@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Message-ID: <etPan.56c4faeb.3a44692c.1692@HIDDEN> Subject: 24.5; emacsclient gui app X-Mailer: Airmail Beta (350) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="56c4faeb_7536c858_1692" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:01:26 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) --56c4faeb_7536c858_1692 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Emacs comes with a GUI app that launches emacs. It would be very helpful if there would be a GUI app that launches emacsclient. Im on OSX, and sometimes its useful to drag a few files from my desktop to the emacs icon on my dock. but that launches the full emacs, so its slow. it would be nice if that app checked for a running daemon to connect to before launching the full emacs, or if there would be a second app that would use emacsclient. So we shoudl either add a new app for emacsclient, or better, make that existing app use emacsclient, and if there is no daemon, then use full emacs. 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It would be very</div><div id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 s= tyle=3D=22margin: 0px;=22>helpful if there would be a GUI app that launch= es emacsclient. Im on</div><div id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22= margin: 0px;=22>OSX, and sometimes its useful to drag a few files from my= desktop to the</div><div id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin= : 0px;=22>emacs icon on my dock. but that launches the full emacs, so its= slow. it</div><div id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;= =22>would be nice if that app checked for a running daemon to connect to<= /div><div id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;=22>before= launching the full emacs, or if there would be a second app that</div><d= iv id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;=22>would use ema= csclient.</div><div id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;= =22><br></div><div id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;=22= >So we shoudl either add a new app for emacsclient, or better, make that<= /div><div id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;=22>existi= ng app use emacsclient, and if there is no daemon, then use</div><div id=3D= =22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;=22>full emacs.</div><div= id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;=22><br></div><div = id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;=22><br></div><div i= d=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;=22>In GNU Emacs 24.5= .1 (x86=5F64-apple-darwin15.3.0, NS apple-appkit-1404.34)</div><div id=3D= =22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;=22> of 2016-02-05 o= n pavlos-mbp.local</div><div id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22mar= gin: 0px;=22>Windowing system distributor =60Apple', version 10.3.1404</d= iv><div id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;=22>Configur= ed using:</div><div id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;= =22> =60configure --prefix=3D/usr/local/Cellar/emacs/24.5</div><div = id=3D=22bloop=5Fcustomfont=22 style=3D=22margin: 0px;=22> --enable-l= ocallisppath=3D/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp</div><div id=3D=22bloop=5F= 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Pavlos Vinieratos <pvinis@HIDDEN>
:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN
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:bug#22725
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