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Hi gnu/emacs,
first: thank you all for many years of providing a great editor.
last: sorry to say but my patience with emacs >23.1 is almost gone
PLEASE, PLEASE; PLEASE start putting new behaviors disabled.The query-repla=
ce (default FROM -> TO) is a major disaster.I do not want FROM -> TO sugges=
tions and no matter what I tryand spend on googling this crap I cant turn i=
t off.Have you ever imagined to try out a very long FROM stringand then wan=
t to do another search/replace after???For some yers I have actually been t=
rying more and more to leaveemacs for good, it is closing in to the the swa=
p.The last really decent version was 23.1 something.Every single new versio=
n simply just adds more and more strangenessand more meaningless settings t=
o figure out. I have work to do...The faces is also simply just annouying. =
Now left with a too darkbuffer name of the inactive buffer when having two =
verticals one.Cant hardly read what file is opened in the inactive before I=
 clickin it to activate it. Have been emacs fan since 2004 but...
I have tried all setq on the:
query-replace-defaults=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-replace-from-histor=
y-variablequery-replace-from-to-separator=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-=
replace-helpquery-replace-highlight=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-replac=
e-historyquery-replace-interactive=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-replace=
-lazy-highlightquery-replace-map=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-replace-s=
how-replacementquery-replace-skip-read-only=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 quer=
y-replace-to-history-variable
but I simply cant get rid of the very annoying, totally unnecessary:(defaul=
t FROM -> TO). Some settings to nil brakes everything and=C2=A0nothing seem=
s to turn off something no one really needs...
The UTF handling is still after many years a constant pain which destroysso=
me files having swedish characters in them, iso-8859-1 is not workingcorrec=
tly anymore.
I use emacs:privately (NT emacs on win10, a very old one but does the job)p=
rofessionally: every single day. Due to all different versions I often
nowadays faces emacs behaviors I do not ask for or wants. Old=C2=A0 version=
ssilently disappears from linux distos and leaveas me and many othersscratc=
hing our heads what emacs strangeness now has been introduced inthis newer =
version...
Reagrds=C2=A0Niclas Olsson, Sweden


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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:courier new, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">Hi gnu/emacs,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">first: thank you all for many years of=
 providing a great editor.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">last: sorry to say but my pati=
ence with emacs &gt;23.1 is almost gone</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div><div>PLEASE, PLEASE; PLEASE start putting new behavior=
s disabled.</div><div>The query-replace (default FROM -&gt; TO) is a major =
disaster.</div><div>I do not want FROM -&gt; TO suggestions and no matter w=
hat I try</div><div>and spend on googling this crap I cant turn it off.</di=
v><div>Have you ever imagined to try out a very long FROM string</div><div>=
and then want to do another search/replace after???</div><div>For some yers=
 I have actually been trying more and more to leave</div><div>emacs for goo=
d, it is closing in to the the swap.</div><div>The last really decent versi=
on was 23.1 something.</div><div>Every single new version simply just adds =
more and more strangeness</div><div>and more meaningless settings to figure=
 out. I have work to do...</div><div>The faces is also simply just annouyin=
g. Now left with a too dark</div><div>buffer name of the inactive buffer wh=
en having two verticals one.</div><div>Cant hardly read what file is opened=
 in the inactive before I click</div><div>in it to activate it. Have been e=
macs fan since 2004 but...</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-=
setdir=3D"false">I have tried all setq on the:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><div><div>=
query-replace-defaults</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-replace-=
from-history-variable</div><div>query-replace-from-to-separator</div><div>&=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-replace-help</div><div>query-replace-highl=
ight</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-replace-history</div><div>=
query-replace-interactive</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-repla=
ce-lazy-highlight</div><div>query-replace-map</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; query-replace-show-replacement</div><div>query-replace-skip-read-o=
nly</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-replace-to-history-variable=
</div><div><br></div></div>but I simply cant get rid of the very annoying, =
totally unnecessary:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">(default F=
ROM -&gt; TO). Some settings to nil brakes everything and&nbsp;</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">nothing seems to turn off something no one=
 really needs...</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The UTF handling is still after many yea=
rs a constant pain which destroys</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fals=
e">some files having swedish characters in them, iso-8859-1 is not working<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">correctly anymore.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div>I use emacs:</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false">privately (NT emacs on win10, a very old one but do=
es the job)</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">professionally: eve=
ry single day. Due to all different versions I often<br>nowadays faces emac=
s behaviors I do not ask for or wants. Old&nbsp; versions</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">silently disappears from linux distos and leavea=
s me and many others</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">scratching=
 our heads what emacs strangeness now has been introduced in</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">this newer version...</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Reag=
rds&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Niclas Olsson, Sweden=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false"><br></div></div></body></html>
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On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Niclas Olsson via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> wrote:
[...]
> The query-replace (default FROM -> TO) is a major disaster.
> I do not want FROM -> TO suggestions and no matter what I try
> and spend on googling this crap I cant turn it off.
> Have you ever imagined to try out a very long FROM string
> and then want to do another search/replace after???
[...]
> I have tried all setq on the:
>
> query-replace-defaults
>         query-replace-from-history-variable
> query-replace-from-to-separator
>         query-replace-help
> query-replace-highlight
>         query-replace-history
> query-replace-interactive
>         query-replace-lazy-highlight
> query-replace-map
>         query-replace-show-replacement
> query-replace-skip-read-only
>         query-replace-to-history-variable
>
> but I simply cant get rid of the very annoying, totally unnecessary:
> (default FROM -> TO). [...]

Making query-replace-read-from-default return the empty string seems to
work; try adding this to your ~/.emacs file:

(setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () (make-string 0 32)))

Steve Berman




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On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Niclas Olsson via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> wrote:
[...]
> The query-replace (default FROM -> TO) is a major disaster.
> I do not want FROM -> TO suggestions and no matter what I try
> and spend on googling this crap I cant turn it off.
> Have you ever imagined to try out a very long FROM string
> and then want to do another search/replace after???
[...]
> I have tried all setq on the:
>
> query-replace-defaults
>         query-replace-from-history-variable
> query-replace-from-to-separator
>         query-replace-help
> query-replace-highlight
>         query-replace-history
> query-replace-interactive
>         query-replace-lazy-highlight
> query-replace-map
>         query-replace-show-replacement
> query-replace-skip-read-only
>         query-replace-to-history-variable
>
> but I simply cant get rid of the very annoying, totally unnecessary:
> (default FROM -> TO). [...]

Making query-replace-read-from-default return the empty string seems to
work; try adding this to your ~/.emacs file:

(setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () (make-string 0 32)))

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Niclas Olsson via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
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> Hi gnu/emacs,

[...]

> I have tried all setq on the:

[...]

Hi,

It seems that setting the following does what you want:

(setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () ""))

I found this by reading the code since it is not a well documented
custom.  Maybe, we should have one (?)
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> Hi gnu/emacs,

[...]

> I have tried all setq on the:

[...]

Hi,

It seems that setting the following does what you want:

(setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () ""))

I found this by reading the code since it is not a well documented
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Niclas Olsson <olsson_lund@HIDDEN> writes:

>  Hi gnu/emacs!
> Thanks a lot for the quick reply I got.=C2=A0I have tried out both:
> (setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () ""))
> and the=C2=A0
> (setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () (make-string 0 32)))
> Unfortunately the irritating (default FROM -> TO) still shows...I also
> did try to read and follow the code but limited in LISP knowledge=C2=A0and
> I didn't find anything which I didn't already try.

You'd have to tell us more about which emacs version you're using.
Those variables were introduced by commit
749ba35bf5e0974384550a0763fd27f08db0678c on Feb 1 2022.

So this probably works since version 28.2.
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 Hi gnu/emacs!
Thanks a lot for the quick reply I got.=C2=A0I have tried out both:
(setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () ""))
and the=C2=A0
(setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () (make-string 0 32)))
Unfortunately the irritating (default FROM -> TO) still shows...I also did =
try to read and follow the code but limited in LISP knowledge=C2=A0and I di=
dn't find anything which I didn't already try.
It is rather strange a simple disable variable was missed to implement.
This show another aspect of the problem with the current and rather strange=
 implementation:https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/19844/how-to-canc=
el-the-default-in-replace-string
It is like emacs is leaving the unix way to keep things simple.
/Regards Niclas Olsson, Sweden
    Den torsdag 24 april 2025 kl. 18:13:43 CEST, Manuel Giraud <manuel@ledu=
-giraud.fr> skrev: =20
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 Niclas Olsson via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hi gnu/emacs,

[...]

> I have tried all setq on the:

[...]

Hi,

It seems that setting the following does what you want:

(setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () ""))

I found this by reading the code since it is not a well documented
custom.=C2=A0 Maybe, we should have one (?)
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=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">Thanks a lot for the quick reply I got.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" da=
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da () (make-string 0 32)))</div></div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdi=
r=3D"false">Unfortunately the irritating (default FROM -&gt; TO) still show=
s...</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I also did try to read and=
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data-setdir=3D"false">and I didn't find anything which I didn't already try=
.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" da=
ta-setdir=3D"false">It is rather strange a simple disable variable was miss=
ed to implement.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div=
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"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">It is like emacs is leav=
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                        Den torsdag 24 april 2025 kl. 18:13:43 CEST, Manuel=
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 Hi gnu/emacs!
Thanks a lot for the quick reply I got.=C2=A0I have tried out both:
(setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () ""))
and the=C2=A0
(setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () (make-string 0 32)))
Unfortunately the irritating (default FROM -> TO) still shows...I also did =
try to read and follow the code but limited in LISP knowledge=C2=A0and I di=
dn't find anything which I didn't already try.
It is rather strange a simple disable variable was missed to implement.
This show another aspect of the problem with the current and rather strange=
 implementation:https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/19844/how-to-canc=
el-the-default-in-replace-string
It is like emacs is leaving the unix way to keep things simple.
/Regards Niclas Olsson, Sweden
    Den torsdag 24 april 2025 kl. 18:13:43 CEST, Manuel Giraud <manuel@ledu=
-giraud.fr> skrev: =20
=20
 Niclas Olsson via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hi gnu/emacs,

[...]

> I have tried all setq on the:

[...]

Hi,

It seems that setting the following does what you want:

(setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () ""))

I found this by reading the code since it is not a well documented
custom.=C2=A0 Maybe, we should have one (?)
--=20
Manuel Giraud
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp8bff0e1yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D=
"font-family:courier new, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:=
16px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi gnu/emacs!</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">Thanks a lot for the quick reply I got.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" da=
ta-setdir=3D"false">I have tried out both:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdi=
r=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><div><div>(set=
q query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () ""))</div><div><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">and the&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-=
setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div>(setq query-replace-read-from-default (lamb=
da () (make-string 0 32)))</div></div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdi=
r=3D"false">Unfortunately the irritating (default FROM -&gt; TO) still show=
s...</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I also did try to read and=
 follow the code but limited in LISP knowledge&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false">and I didn't find anything which I didn't already try=
.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" da=
ta-setdir=3D"false">It is rather strange a simple disable variable was miss=
ed to implement.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">This show another aspect of the problem =
with the current and rather strange implementation:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false"><a href=3D"https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/1=
9844/how-to-cancel-the-default-in-replace-string" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/19844/how-to-cancel-t=
he-default-in-replace-string</a></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">It is like emacs is leav=
ing the unix way to keep things simple.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">/Regards Niclas=
 Olsson, Sweden</div><div><br></div>
       =20
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                <div>
                        Den torsdag 24 april 2025 kl. 18:13:43 CEST, Manuel=
 Giraud &lt;manuel@HIDDEN&gt; skrev:
                    </div>
                    <div><br></div>
                    <div><br></div>
               =20
               =20
                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">Niclas Olsson via "Bug reports for GN=
U Emacs, the Swiss army knife of<br clear=3D"none">text editors" &lt;<a sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN" href=3D"mailto:bug-gnu=
-emacs@HIDDEN">bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN</a>&gt; writes:<br clear=3D"none"><br=
 clear=3D"none">&gt; Hi gnu/emacs,<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">[..=
.]<br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yqt4688262064" id=3D"yqtfd19598"><br cle=
ar=3D"none">&gt; I have tried all setq on the:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none">[...]<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Hi,</div><br clear=3D"=
none"><br clear=3D"none">It seems that setting the following does what you =
want:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">(setq query-replace-read-from-de=
fault (lambda () ""))<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I found this by =
reading the code since it is not a well documented<br clear=3D"none">custom=
.&nbsp; Maybe, we should have one (?)<br clear=3D"none">-- <br clear=3D"non=
e">Manuel Giraud<div class=3D"yqt4688262064" id=3D"yqtfd03813"><br clear=3D=
"none"></div></div></div>
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> PLEASE, PLEASE; PLEASE start putting new behaviors disabled.
> The query-replace (default FROM -> TO) is a major disaster.

Excuse me, but (default FROM -> TO) was added in the year 2004
by commit 6f1df6d9d69a.

> Have been emacs fan since 2004 but...

By lucky coincidence (default FROM -> TO) was added
in the same year 2004.




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 Hi gnu/emacs
@Juri Linkov: you're excused... Some of us emacs users have paid work to do=
 and can't and do not want to constantly ticking up versions on each and ev=
ery tool. If something works then it works. The From->To didn't caught my a=
ttention since I was on an earlier version and/or didn't encounter this par=
ticular situation where it really gives issues.
@gnu/emacs:26.3 was stated to be the version by emacs itself when creating =
the initial mail with=C2=A0M-x report-emacs-bug
No errors shown trying the 2 suggestions makes me belive all was in place i=
n 26.3 as well.
The Redhat8.1 system I work on has:
emacs/26.3(default) <L>=C2=A0 emacs/27.1-1=C2=A0 emacs/28.1=C2=A0 emacs/29.=
4=C2=A0 =C2=A0 emacs/30.1=C2=A0=C2=A0emacs/27.1=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0emacs/27.1-2=C2=A0 emacs/29.1=C2=A0 emacs/29.4-1=
=C2=A0=C2=A0
trying any >26.3 gives massive issues with fonts sizes and something I neve=
r encountered with emacs before, many lines with:
Warning (native-compiler): libgccjit.so: error: error invoking gcc driver

and many similar warning/lines but cant copy in here due to company policie=
s.
unfortunately from emacs 27.1 something was changed with font handling and =
I cant use neither of them if I do not fancy 3 times as big fonts as with 2=
6.3...=C2=A0
Again highlighting the root issue, introducing new features, new font handl=
ings, faces etc might=C2=A0and changing plain old behavior always seem to b=
e a good idea but many users were happy with how it worked before and is no=
w forced to spend hours/days to get a newer version to look-and-feel the sa=
me, yes if it is even possible... A simple googling tells how many users di=
sagree with the statement that new features are the best, are wanted or eve=
n needed... Some has already suggest all new features should be disabled by=
 default. Regarding the FROM->TO I have a hard time trying to understand wh=
at problem this solved and how often a search-and-replace history is needed=
... but...
/Regards Niclas, Sweden    Den fredag 25 april 2025 kl. 18:44:50 CEST, Juri=
 Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> skrev: =20
=20
 > PLEASE, PLEASE; PLEASE start putting new behaviors disabled.
> The query-replace (default FROM -> TO) is a major disaster.

Excuse me, but (default FROM -> TO) was added in the year 2004
by commit 6f1df6d9d69a.

> Have been emacs fan since 2004 but...

By lucky coincidence (default FROM -> TO) was added
in the same year 2004.
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi gnu/emacs</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">@Juri Linkov: you're excused... Some of us emacs users have paid work =
to do and can't and do not want to constantly ticking up versions on each a=
nd every tool. If something works then it works. The From-&gt;To didn't cau=
ght my attention since I was on an earlier version and/or didn't encounter =
this particular situation where it really gives issues.</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">@=
gnu/emacs:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">26.3 was stated to b=
e the version by emacs itself when creating the initial mail with&nbsp;</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">M-x report-emacs-bug</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">No errors shown trying the 2 suggestions makes me belive all was in pl=
ace in 26.3 as well.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The Redhat8.1 system I work on has:<=
br><div><div>emacs/26.3(default) &lt;L&gt;&nbsp; emacs/27.1-1&nbsp; emacs/2=
8.1&nbsp; emacs/29.4&nbsp; &nbsp; emacs/30.1&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div>emacs/27=
.1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;emacs/27.1-2&nbsp;=
 emacs/29.1&nbsp; emacs/29.4-1&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div></div>trying=
 any &gt;26.3 gives massive issues with fonts sizes and something I never e=
ncountered with emacs before, many lines with:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false"><br><span>Warning (native-compiler): libgccjit.so: error: e=
rror invoking gcc driver</span><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse"><span><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span>an=
d many similar warning/lines but cant copy in here due to company policies.=
</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span><br></span></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">unfortunately from emacs 27.1 someth=
ing was changed with font handling and I cant use neither of them if I do n=
ot fancy 3 times as big fonts as with 26.3...&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Again=
 highlighting the root issue, introducing new features, new font handlings,=
 faces etc might&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">and chan=
ging plain old behavior always seem to be a good idea but many users were h=
appy with how it worked before and is now forced to spend hours/days to get=
 a newer version to look-and-feel the same, yes if it is even possible... A=
 simple googling tells how many users disagree with the statement that new =
features are the best, are wanted or even needed... Some has already sugges=
t all new features should be disabled by default. Regarding the FROM-&gt;TO=
 I have a hard time trying to understand what problem this solved and how o=
ften a search-and-replace history is needed... but...</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">/Re=
gards Niclas, Sweden</div>
       =20
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
               =20
                <div>
                        Den fredag 25 april 2025 kl. 18:44:50 CEST, Juri Li=
nkov &lt;juri@HIDDEN&gt; skrev:
                    </div>
                    <div><br></div>
                    <div><br></div>
               =20
               =20
                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; PLEASE, PLEASE; PLEASE start put=
ting new behaviors disabled.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; The query-replace (defa=
ult FROM -&gt; TO) is a major disaster.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none=
">Excuse me, but (default FROM -&gt; TO) was added in the year 2004<br clea=
r=3D"none">by commit 6f1df6d9d69a.<div class=3D"yqt6828286775" id=3D"yqtfd1=
9232"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">&gt; Have been emacs fan since =
2004 but...</div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">By lucky coincidence=
 (default FROM -&gt; TO) was added<br clear=3D"none">in the same year 2004.=
<div class=3D"yqt6828286775" id=3D"yqtfd33337"><br clear=3D"none"></div></d=
iv></div>
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Ping! Niclas, could you please answer Manual's question, so we could
make progress with this issue?

> Cc: 78038 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, manuel@HIDDEN
> From: Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 11:08:59 +0200
> 
> Niclas Olsson <olsson_lund@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> >  Hi gnu/emacs!
> > Thanks a lot for the quick reply I got. I have tried out both:
> > (setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () ""))
> > and the 
> > (setq query-replace-read-from-default (lambda () (make-string 0 32)))
> > Unfortunately the irritating (default FROM -> TO) still shows...I also
> > did try to read and follow the code but limited in LISP knowledge and
> > I didn't find anything which I didn't already try.
> 
> You'd have to tell us more about which emacs version you're using.
> Those variables were introduced by commit
> 749ba35bf5e0974384550a0763fd27f08db0678c on Feb 1 2022.
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> So this probably works since version 28.2.
> -- 
> Manuel Giraud
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> Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 07:07:52 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Niclas Olsson <olsson_lund@HIDDEN>
> 
> Hi Eli, 
> 
> sorry for not responding earlier, your email ended up in SPAM folder which I missed.
> 
> I actually did reply already on the 28th of april and it was CC:ed to:
> 78038 <at> debbugs.gnu.org.
> 
> If you cant see this reply which starts with: @Jury: you're excused...
> then write me again and I'll forward the reply again.

Manuel asked you to tell more about which Emacs version yo9u are
using:

> You'd have to tell us more about which emacs version you're using.
> Those variables were introduced by commit
> 749ba35bf5e0974384550a0763fd27f08db0678c on Feb 1 2022.
> 
> So this probably works since version 28.2.

I don't think you answered that question.




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 Hi Eli,=C2=A0
yes I did, but again:

@gnu/emacs:26.3 was stated to be the version by emacs itself when creating =
the initial mail with=C2=A0M-x report-emacs-bug
and additionally:

GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.30)=C2=A0of=
 2020-06-02

regards=C2=A0Niclas, Sweden
    Den torsdag 22 maj 2025 kl. 10:11:28 CEST, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>=
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> Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 07:07:52 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Niclas Olsson <olsson_lund@HIDDEN>
>=20
> Hi Eli,=20
>=20
> sorry for not responding earlier, your email ended up in SPAM folder whic=
h I missed.
>=20
> I actually did reply already on the 28th of april and it was CC:ed to:
> 78038 <at> debbugs.gnu.org.
>=20
> If you cant see this reply which starts with: @Jury: you're excused...
> then write me again and I'll forward the reply again.

Manuel asked you to tell more about which Emacs version yo9u are
using:

> You'd have to tell us more about which emacs version you're using.
> Those variables were introduced by commit
> 749ba35bf5e0974384550a0763fd27f08db0678c on Feb 1 2022.
>=20
> So this probably works since version 28.2.

I don't think you answered that question.
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v>GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.30)</div>=
<div>&nbsp;of 2020-06-02</div></div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
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                        Den torsdag 22 maj 2025 kl. 10:11:28 CEST, Eli Zare=
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e">&gt; sorry for not responding earlier, your email ended up in SPAM folde=
r which I missed.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; I actually=
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ne">&gt; <a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:78038 <at> debbugs.gnu.org." href=
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one">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; If you cant see this reply which starts w=
ith: @Jury: you're excused...<br clear=3D"none">&gt; then write me again an=
d I'll forward the reply again.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Manuel=
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br clear=3D"none">&gt; You'd have to tell us more about which emacs version=
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mmit<br clear=3D"none">&gt; 749ba35bf5e0974384550a0763fd27f08db0678c on Feb=
 1 2022.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; So this probably wo=
rks since version 28.2.</div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I don't =
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Hi gnu/emacs,
first: thank you all for many years of providing a great editor.
last: sorry to say but my patience with emacs >23.1 is almost gone
PLEASE, PLEASE; PLEASE start putting new behaviors disabled.The query-repla=
ce (default FROM -> TO) is a major disaster.I do not want FROM -> TO sugges=
tions and no matter what I tryand spend on googling this crap I cant turn i=
t off.Have you ever imagined to try out a very long FROM stringand then wan=
t to do another search/replace after???For some yers I have actually been t=
rying more and more to leaveemacs for good, it is closing in to the the swa=
p.The last really decent version was 23.1 something.Every single new versio=
n simply just adds more and more strangenessand more meaningless settings t=
o figure out. I have work to do...The faces is also simply just annouying. =
Now left with a too darkbuffer name of the inactive buffer when having two =
verticals one.Cant hardly read what file is opened in the inactive before I=
 clickin it to activate it. Have been emacs fan since 2004 but...
I have tried all setq on the:
query-replace-defaults=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-replace-from-histor=
y-variablequery-replace-from-to-separator=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-=
replace-helpquery-replace-highlight=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-replac=
e-historyquery-replace-interactive=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-replace=
-lazy-highlightquery-replace-map=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-replace-s=
how-replacementquery-replace-skip-read-only=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 quer=
y-replace-to-history-variable
but I simply cant get rid of the very annoying, totally unnecessary:(defaul=
t FROM -> TO). Some settings to nil brakes everything and=C2=A0nothing seem=
s to turn off something no one really needs...
The UTF handling is still after many years a constant pain which destroysso=
me files having swedish characters in them, iso-8859-1 is not workingcorrec=
tly anymore.
I use emacs:privately (NT emacs on win10, a very old one but does the job)p=
rofessionally: every single day. Due to all different versions I often
nowadays faces emacs behaviors I do not ask for or wants. Old=C2=A0 version=
ssilently disappears from linux distos and leaveas me and many othersscratc=
hing our heads what emacs strangeness now has been introduced inthis newer =
version...
Reagrds=C2=A0Niclas Olsson, Sweden


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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:courier new, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">Hi gnu/emacs,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">first: thank you all for many years of=
 providing a great editor.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">last: sorry to say but my pati=
ence with emacs &gt;23.1 is almost gone</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div><div>PLEASE, PLEASE; PLEASE start putting new behavior=
s disabled.</div><div>The query-replace (default FROM -&gt; TO) is a major =
disaster.</div><div>I do not want FROM -&gt; TO suggestions and no matter w=
hat I try</div><div>and spend on googling this crap I cant turn it off.</di=
v><div>Have you ever imagined to try out a very long FROM string</div><div>=
and then want to do another search/replace after???</div><div>For some yers=
 I have actually been trying more and more to leave</div><div>emacs for goo=
d, it is closing in to the the swap.</div><div>The last really decent versi=
on was 23.1 something.</div><div>Every single new version simply just adds =
more and more strangeness</div><div>and more meaningless settings to figure=
 out. I have work to do...</div><div>The faces is also simply just annouyin=
g. Now left with a too dark</div><div>buffer name of the inactive buffer wh=
en having two verticals one.</div><div>Cant hardly read what file is opened=
 in the inactive before I click</div><div>in it to activate it. Have been e=
macs fan since 2004 but...</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-=
setdir=3D"false">I have tried all setq on the:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><div><div>=
query-replace-defaults</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-replace-=
from-history-variable</div><div>query-replace-from-to-separator</div><div>&=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-replace-help</div><div>query-replace-highl=
ight</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-replace-history</div><div>=
query-replace-interactive</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-repla=
ce-lazy-highlight</div><div>query-replace-map</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; query-replace-show-replacement</div><div>query-replace-skip-read-o=
nly</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-replace-to-history-variable=
</div><div><br></div></div>but I simply cant get rid of the very annoying, =
totally unnecessary:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">(default F=
ROM -&gt; TO). Some settings to nil brakes everything and&nbsp;</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">nothing seems to turn off something no one=
 really needs...</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The UTF handling is still after many yea=
rs a constant pain which destroys</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fals=
e">some files having swedish characters in them, iso-8859-1 is not working<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">correctly anymore.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div>I use emacs:</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false">privately (NT emacs on win10, a very old one but do=
es the job)</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">professionally: eve=
ry single day. Due to all different versions I often<br>nowadays faces emac=
s behaviors I do not ask for or wants. Old&nbsp; versions</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">silently disappears from linux distos and leavea=
s me and many others</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">scratching=
 our heads what emacs strangeness now has been introduced in</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">this newer version...</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Reag=
rds&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Niclas Olsson, Sweden=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
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> Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 10:53:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Niclas Olsson <olsson_lund@HIDDEN>
> Cc: "78038 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <78038 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> 
> yes I did, but again:
> 
> @gnu/emacs:
> 26.3 was stated to be the version by emacs itself when creating the initial mail with 
> M-x report-emacs-bug
> 
> and additionally:
> 
> GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.30)
>  of 2020-06-02

Thanks.

So I guess we did everything that can be done here: the proposed
solution works since Emacs 28.3, and users of older versions are urged
to upgrade.  Since we no longer maintain Emacs 26.3, I'm now closing
this bug.


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> Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 10:53:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Niclas Olsson <olsson_lund@HIDDEN>
> Cc: "78038 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <78038 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> 
> yes I did, but again:
> 
> @gnu/emacs:
> 26.3 was stated to be the version by emacs itself when creating the initial mail with 
> M-x report-emacs-bug
> 
> and additionally:
> 
> GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.30)
>  of 2020-06-02

Thanks.

So I guess we did everything that can be done here: the proposed
solution works since Emacs 28.3, and users of older versions are urged
to upgrade.  Since we no longer maintain Emacs 26.3, I'm now closing
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Hi gnu/emacs,
first: thank you all for many years of providing a great editor.
last: sorry to say but my patience with emacs >23.1 is almost gone
PLEASE, PLEASE; PLEASE start putting new behaviors disabled.The query-repla=
ce (default FROM -> TO) is a major disaster.I do not want FROM -> TO sugges=
tions and no matter what I tryand spend on googling this crap I cant turn i=
t off.Have you ever imagined to try out a very long FROM stringand then wan=
t to do another search/replace after???For some yers I have actually been t=
rying more and more to leaveemacs for good, it is closing in to the the swa=
p.The last really decent version was 23.1 something.Every single new versio=
n simply just adds more and more strangenessand more meaningless settings t=
o figure out. I have work to do...The faces is also simply just annouying. =
Now left with a too darkbuffer name of the inactive buffer when having two =
verticals one.Cant hardly read what file is opened in the inactive before I=
 clickin it to activate it. Have been emacs fan since 2004 but...
I have tried all setq on the:
query-replace-defaults=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-replace-from-histor=
y-variablequery-replace-from-to-separator=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-=
replace-helpquery-replace-highlight=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-replac=
e-historyquery-replace-interactive=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-replace=
-lazy-highlightquery-replace-map=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 query-replace-s=
how-replacementquery-replace-skip-read-only=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 quer=
y-replace-to-history-variable
but I simply cant get rid of the very annoying, totally unnecessary:(defaul=
t FROM -> TO). Some settings to nil brakes everything and=C2=A0nothing seem=
s to turn off something no one really needs...
The UTF handling is still after many years a constant pain which destroysso=
me files having swedish characters in them, iso-8859-1 is not workingcorrec=
tly anymore.
I use emacs:privately (NT emacs on win10, a very old one but does the job)p=
rofessionally: every single day. Due to all different versions I often
nowadays faces emacs behaviors I do not ask for or wants. Old=C2=A0 version=
ssilently disappears from linux distos and leaveas me and many othersscratc=
hing our heads what emacs strangeness now has been introduced inthis newer =
version...
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ly:courier new, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">Hi gnu/emacs,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">first: thank you all for many years of=
 providing a great editor.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">last: sorry to say but my pati=
ence with emacs &gt;23.1 is almost gone</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div><div>PLEASE, PLEASE; PLEASE start putting new behavior=
s disabled.</div><div>The query-replace (default FROM -&gt; TO) is a major =
disaster.</div><div>I do not want FROM -&gt; TO suggestions and no matter w=
hat I try</div><div>and spend on googling this crap I cant turn it off.</di=
v><div>Have you ever imagined to try out a very long FROM string</div><div>=
and then want to do another search/replace after???</div><div>For some yers=
 I have actually been trying more and more to leave</div><div>emacs for goo=
d, it is closing in to the the swap.</div><div>The last really decent versi=
on was 23.1 something.</div><div>Every single new version simply just adds =
more and more strangeness</div><div>and more meaningless settings to figure=
 out. I have work to do...</div><div>The faces is also simply just annouyin=
g. Now left with a too dark</div><div>buffer name of the inactive buffer wh=
en having two verticals one.</div><div>Cant hardly read what file is opened=
 in the inactive before I click</div><div>in it to activate it. Have been e=
macs fan since 2004 but...</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-=
setdir=3D"false">I have tried all setq on the:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><div><div>=
query-replace-defaults</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-replace-=
from-history-variable</div><div>query-replace-from-to-separator</div><div>&=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-replace-help</div><div>query-replace-highl=
ight</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-replace-history</div><div>=
query-replace-interactive</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-repla=
ce-lazy-highlight</div><div>query-replace-map</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; query-replace-show-replacement</div><div>query-replace-skip-read-o=
nly</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; query-replace-to-history-variable=
</div><div><br></div></div>but I simply cant get rid of the very annoying, =
totally unnecessary:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">(default F=
ROM -&gt; TO). Some settings to nil brakes everything and&nbsp;</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">nothing seems to turn off something no one=
 really needs...</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The UTF handling is still after many yea=
rs a constant pain which destroys</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fals=
e">some files having swedish characters in them, iso-8859-1 is not working<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">correctly anymore.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div>I use emacs:</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false">privately (NT emacs on win10, a very old one but do=
es the job)</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">professionally: eve=
ry single day. Due to all different versions I often<br>nowadays faces emac=
s behaviors I do not ask for or wants. Old&nbsp; versions</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">silently disappears from linux distos and leavea=
s me and many others</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">scratching=
 our heads what emacs strangeness now has been introduced in</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">this newer version...</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Reag=
rds&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Niclas Olsson, Sweden=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false"><br></div></div></body></html>
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