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Hi folks,

It seems that describe-input-method does not respect
help-window-select. Here is a recipe:

1. Emacs -Q
2. Evaluate:

(setq help-window-select t)

3. C-h I japanese RET

Observe that the help window is not selected.

In contrast, if you do C-h v help-window-select RET, the help window is
selected.

Thanks!

In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 1, aarch64-apple-darwin21.6.0, NS
appkit-2113.65 Version 12.7.6 (Build 21H1320)) of 2025-02-24 built on
armbob.lan
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2575
System Description:  macOS 15.5

Configured using:
'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application
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I see now that the documentation for help-window-select says:

This option has effect if and only if the help window was created
by =E2=80=98with-help-window=E2=80=99.

So maybe this is not a bug per se.

Should we improve quail-help to use with-help-window?

Thanks!=

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> From: Sean Devlin <spd@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 17:01:11 -0400
> 
> I see now that the documentation for help-window-select says:
> 
> This option has effect if and only if the help window was created
> by ‘with-help-window’.
> 
> So maybe this is not a bug per se.
> 
> Should we improve quail-help to use with-help-window?

Yes, if we want it to heed help-window-select, we should.

Patches welcome.  But please be careful and test the changes
thoroughly: AFAIR input-method help has several features thyat we
would not like to lose.

Thanks.

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> On May 1, 2025, at 1:45=E2=80=AFPM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BF
>>=20
>> From: Sean Devlin <spd@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 17:01:11 -0400
>>=20
>> I see now that the documentation for help-window-select says:
>>=20
>> This option has effect if and only if the help window was created
>> by =E2=80=98with-help-window=E2=80=99.
>>=20
>> So maybe this is not a bug per se.
>>=20
>> Should we improve quail-help to use with-help-window?
>=20
> Yes, if we want it to heed help-window-select, we should.
>=20
> Patches welcome.  But please be careful and test the changes
> thoroughly: AFAIR input-method help has several features thyat we
> would not like to lose.

Sounds good. I will give it a try. I=E2=80=99ll mail back here if I run into=
 problems.

Thanks!

>=20
> Thanks.

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> From: Sean Devlin <spd@HIDDEN>
> Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 21:52:14 -0400
> Cc: 78166 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> 
> 
> > On May 1, 2025, at 1:45 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> From: Sean Devlin <spd@HIDDEN>
> >> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 17:01:11 -0400
> >> 
> >> I see now that the documentation for help-window-select says:
> >> 
> >> This option has effect if and only if the help window was created
> >> by ‘with-help-window’.
> >> 
> >> So maybe this is not a bug per se.
> >> 
> >> Should we improve quail-help to use with-help-window?
> > 
> > Yes, if we want it to heed help-window-select, we should.
> > 
> > Patches welcome.  But please be careful and test the changes
> > thoroughly: AFAIR input-method help has several features thyat we
> > would not like to lose.
> 
> Sounds good. I will give it a try. I’ll mail back here if I run into problems.

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