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But please be careful and test the changes > thoroughly: AFAIR input-method help has several features thyat we > would not like to lose. Sounds good. I will give it a try. I=E2=80=99ll mail back here if I run into= problems. Thanks! >=20 > Thanks.
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Hi folks,
It seems that describe-input-method does not respect
help-window-select. Here is a recipe:
1. Emacs -Q
2. Evaluate:
(setq help-window-select t)
3. C-h I japanese RET
Observe that the help window is not selected.
In contrast, if you do C-h v help-window-select RET, the help window is
selected.
Thanks!
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