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Mishaving new frame creation in MacOS on new desktop To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0000000000002ee8150636d1b5d8" X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78527 Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 78527 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Boris Aronov <aronov.boris@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> --0000000000002ee8150636d1b5d8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002ee8140636d1b5d7" --0000000000002ee8140636d1b5d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 5:06=E2=80=AFAM martin rudalics via Bug reports for = GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> wrote: > >> I'm still a bit dense in the following sense: You have a fullscreen > >> frame, do C-x 5 2 and now see the new frame on a new desktop but it > >> apparently didn't get focus because, as you say, the prompt doesn't > >> appear there. However, in your initial posting you say that "Focus > >> shifts there". What makes you think that focus shifted there? The > >> appearance of the cursor, the mode line, some decoration in the new > >> frame? Does C-x 2 split a window in the new or old frame? > >> > > > > C-x 2: New frame, surprisingly. > > Not really. C-x 2 splits the selected window and that's the one on the > new frame. The C-x 5 2 need _not_ necessarily have made the new frame > the selected one but it apparently does so on your system. On many > systems, the window manager gives users the choice whether a freshly > created window should automatically become "active", that is, has > keystrokes directed to it. In your case we apparently have a split > behavior - the new frame becomes selected but focus remains on the old > frame. > > > But subsequent commands are still messed > > up. For example, after C-x 2 I now have 2 windows in the new frame, > but if > > I try M-x, the prompt shows up the old frame! > > You would have to trace choose_minibuf_frame in minibuf.c to find out > why Emacs shows the prompt in the old frame. I'm afraid you won't be > able to do that. Try the following instead: With a fullscreen Emacs > showing *scratch* insert the following text > > (setq old-frame (selected-frame)) > (setq new-frame (make-frame)) > > (defun foo () > (interactive) > (insert > (format "selected: % s old: %s new: %s old-mw: %s new-mw: %s" > (selected-frame) old-frame new-frame > (window-frame (minibuffer-window old-frame)) > (window-frame (minibuffer-window new-frame))))) > > (global-set-key [(control l)] 'foo) > > do M-x RET eval-buffer RET and then type C-l. The text this adds to > +scratch* might tell us which minibuffer window Emacs wants to use. > > > That's without trying any of > > the hooks you suggested. > > > > Focus: Sorry. I did not use the right terminology. I only at the > moment > > work on my laptop with a single physical screen. So when a "new frame > > opens on new desktop", what I see on my physical screen is the old > desktop > > slides off to the left and a new desktop with a new frame appears. I > > probably should not have used the word "focus." I get a new frame wit= h > a > > highlighted cursor in the main window. > > This again only indicates that Emacs considers the new frame as the > selected one. Here on xfce WM windows have decorations showing which > window the WM considers as the one having focus - where it directs > keystrokes to. Does your bad scenario happen with an initially > "maximized" (not "fullboth") frame too? Then maybe such decorations > would reveal more information. > > > Just noticed another weirdness, btw: > > =E2=80=93 I see a blinking cursor with emacs -Q. > > =E2=80=93 But after I have two frames in different desktops, immediate= ly after I > > switch between desktops (in either direction), the cursor is > highlighted, > > but does not blink. > > =E2=80=93 In fact, this cursor thing has nothing to do with full scree= n or > > desktops: with two regular frames next to each other on a common > desktop, > > when *I click on a frame to switch focus there*, the cursor gets > > highlighted, but does not blink until I do something... *But if I do > C-x 5 > > 2 to switch frames, *it blinks as it should. And when I switch from > > Firefox (where I am writing this) to Emacs (using Alt-TAB > [=3Dcommand-TAB]), > > the cursor initially does not blink. > > This further indicates a problem with what Emacs thinks about which of > its frames has focus. > > > Another experiment (similar to what I wrote in an earlier email): Do t= he > > C-x 5 2 from a full-screen frame. Do a M-x. I do *not* see the promp= t. > > Now use MacOS shortcut keys to switch frames (ctrl-right/left). Then > the > > M-x prompt appears in BOTH frames. > > But you can't tell since you can see only one frame at a time. What is > your value of 'minibuffer-follows-selected-frame'? Does changing it > change the behavior you see? > > > In one it is selected (cursor is > > highlighted) > > Is "it" the minibuffer window or just the frame? > > > and in the other it is not (highlighted cursor is in the main > > *scratch* window). This is w/o any of the hooks you wanted me to try. > > Just plain Macports Emacs -Q. > > Again this hints at a focus problem. We would have to understand how > focusing works on MacOS. You could try with > > (defun foo-it (&rest rest) > (with-current-buffer (get-buffer-create "*foo*") > (goto-char (point-max)) > (when rest > (insert (format "%s" (car rest))) > (setq rest (cdr rest)) > (while rest > (insert (format " .. %s" (car rest))) > (setq rest (cdr rest))) > (insert "\n")))) > > (defun my-foo-it () > (let ((frames (frame-list)) > frame foo) > (while frames > (setq frame (car frames)) > (setq foo (cons (cons frame (frame-focus-state frame)) foo)) > (setq frames (cdr frames))) > (foo-it foo))) > > (add-function :after after-focus-change-function #'my-foo-it) > > and tell us what the buffer *foo* contains after C-x 5 2. The focus > handling code has changed in Emacs a couple of years ago and I have no > idea whether 'frame-focus-state' is useful at all. > Boris, Mac is my primary system but I don't use Mission Control or Spaces. However, I am aware that one can alter the Dock's behavior (MC is a part of Dock.app) and it could be this that is influencing Emacs behavior rather than Emacs itself. In System Preferences...Mission Control... have you tried frame-creation with the second option, below checked and unchecked? And also Group checked and unchecked? [image: image.png] -St=C3=A9phane --0000000000002ee8140636d1b5d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 5:06=E2=80=AFAM martin rudalics via Bug reports for = GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors <<a href=3D"mailto:bug-g= nu-emacs@HIDDEN">bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><d= iv class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q= uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2= 04);padding-left:1ex">=C2=A0>> I'm still a bit dense in the follo= wing sense: You have a fullscreen<br> =C2=A0>> frame, do C-x 5 2 and now see the new frame on a new desktop= but it<br> =C2=A0>> apparently didn't get focus because, as you say, the pro= mpt doesn't<br> =C2=A0>> appear there.=C2=A0 However, in your initial posting you say= that "Focus<br> =C2=A0>> shifts there".=C2=A0 What makes you think that focus sh= ifted there?=C2=A0 The<br> =C2=A0>> appearance of the cursor, the mode line, some decoration in = the new<br> =C2=A0>> frame?=C2=A0 Does C-x 2 split a window in the new or old fra= me?<br> =C2=A0>><br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0> C-x 2: New frame, surprisingly.<br> <br> Not really.=C2=A0 C-x 2 splits the selected window and that's the one o= n the<br> new frame.=C2=A0 The C-x 5 2 need _not_ necessarily have made the new frame= <br> the selected one but it apparently does so on your system.=C2=A0 On many<br= > systems, the window manager gives users the choice whether a freshly<br> created window should automatically become "active", that is, has= <br> keystrokes directed to it.=C2=A0 In your case we apparently have a split<br= > behavior - the new frame becomes selected but focus remains on the old<br> frame.<br> <br> =C2=A0> But subsequent commands are still messed<br> =C2=A0> up.=C2=A0 For example, after C-x 2 I now have 2 windows in the n= ew frame, but if<br> =C2=A0> I try M-x, the prompt shows up the old frame!<br> <br> You would have to trace choose_minibuf_frame in minibuf.c to find out<br> why Emacs shows the prompt in the old frame.=C2=A0 I'm afraid you won&#= 39;t be<br> able to do that.=C2=A0 Try the following instead: With a fullscreen Emacs<b= r> showing *scratch* insert the following text<br> <br> (setq old-frame (selected-frame))<br> (setq new-frame (make-frame))<br> <br> (defun foo ()<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0(interactive)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0(insert<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (format "selected: % s old: %s new: %s old-mw: %s new-mw= : %s"<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(selected-frame) old-frame new-fra= me<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(window-frame (minibuffer-window o= ld-frame))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(window-frame (minibuffer-window n= ew-frame)))))<br> <br> (global-set-key [(control l)] 'foo)<br> <br> do M-x RET eval-buffer RET and then type C-l.=C2=A0 The text this adds to<b= r> +scratch* might tell us which minibuffer window Emacs wants to use.<br> <br> =C2=A0> That's without trying any of<br> =C2=A0> the hooks you suggested.<br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0> Focus: Sorry.=C2=A0 I did not use the right terminology.=C2=A0 I= only at the moment<br> =C2=A0> work on my laptop with a single physical screen.=C2=A0 So when a= "new frame<br> =C2=A0> opens on new desktop",=C2=A0 what I see on my physical scre= en is the old desktop<br> =C2=A0> slides off to the left and a new desktop with a new frame appear= s.=C2=A0 I<br> =C2=A0> probably should not have used the word "focus."=C2=A0 = I get a new frame with a<br> =C2=A0> highlighted cursor in the main window.<br> <br> This again only indicates that Emacs considers the new frame as the<br> selected one.=C2=A0 Here on xfce WM windows have decorations showing which<= br> window the WM considers as the one having focus - where it directs<br> keystrokes to.=C2=A0 Does your bad scenario happen with an initially<br> "maximized" (not "fullboth") frame too?=C2=A0 Then mayb= e such decorations<br> would reveal more information.<br> <br> =C2=A0> Just noticed another weirdness, btw:<br> =C2=A0> =E2=80=93 I see a blinking cursor with emacs -Q.<br> =C2=A0> =E2=80=93 But after I have two frames in different desktops, imm= ediately after I<br> =C2=A0> switch between desktops (in either direction), the cursor is hig= hlighted,<br> =C2=A0> but does not blink.<br> =C2=A0> =E2=80=93 In fact, this cursor thing has nothing to do with full= screen or<br> =C2=A0> desktops: with two regular frames next to each other on a common= desktop,<br> =C2=A0> when *I click on a frame to switch focus there*, the cursor gets= <br> =C2=A0> highlighted, but does not blink until I do something...=C2=A0 *B= ut if I do C-x 5<br> =C2=A0> 2 to switch frames, *it blinks as it should.=C2=A0 And when I sw= itch from<br> =C2=A0> Firefox (where I am writing this) to Emacs (using Alt-TAB [=3Dco= mmand-TAB]),<br> =C2=A0> the cursor initially does not blink.<br> <br> This further indicates a problem with what Emacs thinks about which of<br> its frames has focus.<br> <br> =C2=A0> Another experiment (similar to what I wrote in an earlier email)= : Do the<br> =C2=A0> C-x 5 2 from a full-screen frame.=C2=A0 Do a M-x.=C2=A0 I do *no= t* see the prompt.<br> =C2=A0> Now use MacOS shortcut keys to switch frames (ctrl-right/left).= =C2=A0 Then the<br> =C2=A0> M-x prompt appears in BOTH frames.<br> <br> But you can't tell since you can see only one frame at a time.=C2=A0 Wh= at is<br> your value of 'minibuffer-follows-selected-frame'?=C2=A0 Does chang= ing it<br> change the behavior you see?<br> <br> =C2=A0> In one it is selected (cursor is<br> =C2=A0> highlighted)<br> <br> Is "it" the minibuffer window or just the frame?<br> <br> =C2=A0> and in the other it is not (highlighted cursor is in the main<br= > =C2=A0> *scratch* window).=C2=A0 This is w/o any of the hooks you wanted= me to try.<br> =C2=A0> Just plain Macports Emacs -Q.<br> <br> Again this hints at a focus problem.=C2=A0 We would have to understand how<= br> focusing works on MacOS.=C2=A0 You could try with<br> <br> (defun foo-it (&rest rest)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0(with-current-buffer (get-buffer-create "*foo*")<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(goto-char (point-max))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(when rest<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(insert (format "%s" (car rest)))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(setq rest (cdr rest))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(while rest<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (insert (format " .. %s" (car rest)))= <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (setq rest (cdr rest)))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(insert "\n"))))<br> <br> (defun my-foo-it ()<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0(let ((frames (frame-list))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 frame foo)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(while frames<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(setq frame (car frames))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(setq foo (cons (cons frame (frame-focus-state f= rame)) foo))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(setq frames (cdr frames)))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(foo-it foo)))<br> <br> (add-function :after after-focus-change-function #'my-foo-it)<br> <br> and tell us what the buffer *foo* contains after C-x 5 2.=C2=A0 The focus<b= r> handling code has changed in Emacs a couple of years ago and I have no<br> idea whether 'frame-focus-state' is useful at all.<br></blockquote>= <div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"= >Boris,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><= br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">Mac i= s my primary system but I don't use Mission Control or Spaces.=C2=A0 Ho= wever, I am aware that one can alter the Dock's behavior (MC is a part = of Dock.app) and it could be this that is influencing Emacs behavior rather= than Emacs itself.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f= amily:monospace"><br></div><div 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I will try to look into this, when I get a chance. I was just wondering if the whole misbehavior is connected to focus issues. Meanwhile if I can provide more information about the other mystery, I would be happy to do so. Emacs 31 mostly works OK on MacOS (once in a while it seems to forget to echo a character typed until the next character is entered and a few other oddities), but this new-frame behavior is annoying, as I have developed a habit, when I need to do something new and unrelated and perhaps short, to make a new frame, take care of things there and then remove the frame. The current behavior is interfering with that. =E2=80=93Boris --0000000000004817360636cc953d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thank you, Eli.=C2=A0 I will try to look into this, w= hen I get a chance.=C2=A0 I was just wondering if the whole misbehavior is = connected to focus issues.=C2=A0 Meanwhile if I can provide more informatio= n about the other mystery, I would be happy to do so.=C2=A0 Emacs 31 mostly= works OK on MacOS (once in a while it seems to forget to echo a character = typed until the next character=C2=A0is entered and a few other oddities), b= ut this new-frame behavior is annoying, as I have developed=C2=A0a habit, w= hen I need to do something new and unrelated and perhaps short, to make a n= ew frame, take care of things there and then remove the frame.=C2=A0 The cu= rrent behavior is interfering with that.</div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=93= Boris</div></div> --0000000000004817360636cc953d--
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Mishaving new frame creation in MacOS on new desktop To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e4cfdb0636c22dcd" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78527 Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 78527 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000e4cfdb0636c22dcd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Martin, On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 10:47=E2=80=AFAM martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> w= rote: > Thanks for answering. > > I'm still a bit dense in the following sense: You have a fullscreen > frame, do C-x 5 2 and now see the new frame on a new desktop but it > apparently didn't get focus because, as you say, the prompt doesn't > appear there. However, in your initial posting you say that "Focus > shifts there". What makes you think that focus shifted there? The > appearance of the cursor, the mode line, some decoration in the new > frame? Does C-x 2 split a window in the new or old frame? > C-x 2: New frame, surprisingly. But subsequent commands are still messed up. For example, after C-x 2 I now have 2 windows in the new frame, but if I try M-x, the prompt shows up the old frame! That's without trying any of the hooks you suggested. Focus: Sorry. I did not use the right terminology. I only at the moment work on my laptop with a single physical screen. So when a "new frame opens on new desktop", what I see on my physical screen is the old desktop slides off to the left and a new desktop with a new frame appears. I probably should not have used the word "focus." I get a new frame with a highlighted cursor in the main window. Just noticed another weirdness, btw: =E2=80=93 I see a blinking cursor with emacs -Q. =E2=80=93 But after I have two frames in different desktops, immediately af= ter I switch between desktops (in either direction), the cursor is highlighted, but does not blink. =E2=80=93 In fact, this cursor thing has nothing to do with full screen or desktops: with two regular frames next to each other on a common desktop, when *I click on a frame to switch focus there*, the cursor gets highlighted, but does not blink until I do something... *But if I do C-x 5 2 to switch frames, *it blinks as it should. And when I switch from Firefox (where I am writing this) to Emacs (using Alt-TAB [=3Dcommand-TAB])= , the cursor initially does not blink. Another experiment (similar to what I wrote in an earlier email): Do the C-x 5 2 from a full-screen frame. Do a M-x. I do *not* see the prompt. Now use MacOS shortcut keys to switch frames (ctrl-right/left). Then the M-x prompt appears in BOTH frames. In one it is selected (cursor is highlighted) and in the other it is not (highlighted cursor is in the main *scratch* window). This is w/o any of the hooks you wanted me to try. Just plain Macports Emacs -Q. Hope this helps, =E2=80=93Boris > >> I'd like to understand the focus issue. What does C-x 5 o do when ru= n > >> in the old frame? > > > > > > - Opened "Emacs -Q" > > - Clicked the green button (fullscreen) > > - C-x 5 2 (new frame opens on another desktop) > > - I swipe to original desktop > > - C-x 5 o switches to the new one and repeating it takes me back > > Does C-x 5 o also switch the desktop you see? > > > What does running 'foo' defined as > >> > >> (defun foo () > >> (interactive) > >> (let ((frame (make-frame))) > >> (sit-for 3) > >> (message "%s" (frame-focus-state frame)))) > >> > > > > When I do this in an non-full-screen frame, a new frame pops up with a > "t" > > > > When I do it in a full-screen frame, a new frame pops up but a "t' is = in > > the OLD frame. And then (I think) with some delay it also appears in > the > > NEW frame. > > This "delay" should come from the (sit-for 3) call. > > >> report? Is the message shown in both frames? > >> > >> Does 'foo' specified as > >> > >> (defun foo () > >> (interactive) > >> (let ((frame (make-frame))) > >> (select-frame-set-input-focus frame))) > >> > >> behave the same way? > > > > > > I get a "nil" in both frames. > > The nil would come from the return value of the frame focusing function > so my question was silly. What I really meant with "behave the same > way" was whether the new frame does get input focus with this 'foo', > that is, whether now Emacs shows the prompt in the new frame when you > try executing a command. I suppose the answer is "no". > > > Hard to tell if it's simulataneous (as I > > cannot look at them at the same time) and maybe switching desktops > triggers > > something. > > > > Does > >> > >> (add-hook 'after-make-frame-functions 'select-frame-set-input-focus) > >> > >> change anything? > > > > > > Not really. When I make a new frame, a new frame on a new desktop > appears, > > but typing M-x shows no change on screen. When I switch back to the > > original screen M-x shows on screen AND when I switch again NOW I can > see > > M-x prompt on the new screen as well. > > > > > > Does > >> > >> (add-hook 'after-make-frame-functions 'redirect-frame-focus) > >> > >> change anything? > >> > > > > No. Same behavior as after the other add-hook. > > I see. > > > Another oddity (or is it expected): when I switch back-and-forth betwe= en > > desktops having typed M-x, on one screen the focus (selected window?) > is on > > the M-x line and on the other on *scratch* (where I originally ran the > C-x > > 5 2 command). Not sure which is which by now... > > > > Actually, after a few switches back and forth, the M-x line is the > selected > > window in the frame where I typed it (new frame) and it's not selected > in > > the old frame. > > > > Not sure if this helps in any way. > > Not yet. If you have two normal (non-fullscreen) frames of the same > Emacs process on two different desktops, type a command so that a prompt > appears in one of them and then do C-x 5 o: Does the prompt move to the > other frame? Right away? > > BTW: Do you have Mission Control installed and active? Maybe some > setting in it triggers the "put the frame on the other desktop because > the first one is too crowded" behavior. > > martin > --000000000000e4cfdb0636c22dcd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Martin,</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_q= uote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 a= t 10:47=E2=80=AFAM martin rudalics <<a href=3D"mailto:rudalics@HIDDEN">r= udalics@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st= yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd= ing-left:1ex">Thanks for answering.<br> <br> I'm still a bit dense in the following sense: You have a fullscreen<br> frame, do C-x 5 2 and now see the new frame on a new desktop but it<br> apparently didn't get focus because, as you say, the prompt doesn't= <br> appear there.=C2=A0 However, in your initial posting you say that "Foc= us<br> shifts there".=C2=A0 What makes you think that focus shifted there?=C2= =A0 The<br> appearance of the cursor, the mode line, some decoration in the new<br> frame?=C2=A0 Does C-x 2 split a window in the new or old frame?<br></blockq= uote><div><br></div><div>C-x 2: New frame, surprisingly.=C2=A0 But subseque= nt commands are still messed up.=C2=A0 For example, after C-x 2 I now have = 2 windows in the new frame, but if I try M-x, the prompt shows up the old f= rame!=C2=A0 That's without trying any of the hooks you suggested.</div>= <div><br></div><div>Focus: Sorry.=C2=A0 I did not use the right terminology= .=C2=A0 I only at the moment work on my laptop with a single physical scree= n.=C2=A0 So when a "new frame opens on new desktop",=C2=A0 what I= see on my physical screen is the old desktop slides off to the left and a = new desktop with a new frame appears.=C2=A0 I probably should not have used= the word "focus."=C2=A0 I get a new frame with a highlighted cur= sor in the main window.</div><div><br></div><div>Just noticed another weird= ness, btw:=C2=A0</div><div>=E2=80=93 I see a blinking cursor with emacs -Q.= =C2=A0=C2=A0<br>=E2=80=93 But after I have two frames in different desktops= , immediately after I switch between desktops (in either direction), the cu= rsor is highlighted, but does not blink.<br></div><div>=E2=80=93 In fact, t= his cursor thing has nothing to do with full screen or desktops: with two r= egular frames next to each other on a common desktop, when <b>I click on a = frame to switch focus there</b>, the cursor gets highlighted, but does not = blink until I do something...=C2=A0=C2=A0<b>But if I do C-x 5 2 to switch f= rames,=C2=A0</b>it blinks as it should.=C2=A0 And when I switch from Firefo= x (where I am writing this) to Emacs (using Alt-TAB [=3Dcommand-TAB]), the = cursor initially does not blink.</div><div><br></div><div>Another experimen= t (similar to what I wrote in an earlier email): Do the C-x 5 2 from a full= -screen frame.=C2=A0 Do a M-x.=C2=A0 I do *not* see the prompt.=C2=A0 Now u= se MacOS shortcut keys to switch frames (ctrl-right/left).=C2=A0 Then the M= -x prompt appears in BOTH frames.=C2=A0 In one it is selected (cursor is hi= ghlighted) and in the other it is not (highlighted cursor is in the main *s= cratch* window).=C2=A0 This is w/o any of the hooks you wanted me to try.= =C2=A0 Just plain Macports Emacs -Q.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope this hel= ps,</div><div>=C2=A0 =E2=80=93Boris</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blo= ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left= :1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <br> =C2=A0>> I'd like to understand the focus issue.=C2=A0 What does = C-x 5 o do when run<br> =C2=A0>> in the old frame?<br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0> - Opened "Emacs -Q"<br> =C2=A0> - Clicked the green button (fullscreen)<br> =C2=A0> - C-x 5 2 (new frame opens on another desktop)<br> =C2=A0> - I swipe to original desktop<br> =C2=A0> - C-x 5 o switches to the new one and repeating it takes me back= <br> <br> Does C-x 5 o also switch the desktop you see?<br> <br> =C2=A0> What does running 'foo' defined as<br> =C2=A0>><br> =C2=A0>> (defun foo ()<br> =C2=A0>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(interactive)<br> =C2=A0>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(let ((frame (make-frame)))<br> =C2=A0>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(sit-for 3)<br> =C2=A0>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(message "%s" (frame-foc= us-state frame))))<br> =C2=A0>><br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0> When I do this in an non-full-screen frame, a new frame pops up = with a "t"<br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0> When I do it in a full-screen frame, a new frame pops up but a &= quot;t' is in<br> =C2=A0> the OLD frame.=C2=A0 And then (I think) with some delay it also = appears in the<br> =C2=A0> NEW frame.<br> <br> This "delay" should come from the (sit-for 3) call.<br> <br> =C2=A0>> report?=C2=A0 Is the message shown in both frames?<br> =C2=A0>><br> =C2=A0>> Does 'foo' specified as<br> =C2=A0>><br> =C2=A0>> (defun foo ()<br> =C2=A0>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(interactive)<br> =C2=A0>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(let ((frame (make-frame)))<br> =C2=A0>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(select-frame-set-input-focus fram= e)))<br> =C2=A0>><br> =C2=A0>> behave the same way?<br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0> I get a "nil" in both frames.<br> <br> The nil would come from the return value of the frame focusing function<br> so my question was silly.=C2=A0 What I really meant with "behave the s= ame<br> way" was whether the new frame does get input focus with this 'foo= ',<br> that is, whether now Emacs shows the prompt in the new frame when you<br> try executing a command.=C2=A0 I suppose the answer is "no".<br> <br> =C2=A0> Hard to tell if it's simulataneous (as I<br> =C2=A0> cannot look at them at the same time) and maybe switching deskto= ps triggers<br> =C2=A0> something.<br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Does<br> =C2=A0>><br> =C2=A0>> (add-hook 'after-make-frame-functions 'select-frame-= set-input-focus)<br> =C2=A0>><br> =C2=A0>> change anything?<br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0> Not really.=C2=A0 When I make a new frame, a new frame on a new = desktop appears,<br> =C2=A0> but typing M-x shows no change on screen.=C2=A0 When I switch ba= ck to the<br> =C2=A0> original screen M-x shows on screen AND when I switch again NOW = I can see<br> =C2=A0> M-x prompt on the new screen as well.<br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Does<br> =C2=A0>><br> =C2=A0>> (add-hook 'after-make-frame-functions 'redirect-fram= e-focus)<br> =C2=A0>><br> =C2=A0>> change anything?<br> =C2=A0>><br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0> No.=C2=A0 Same behavior as after the other add-hook.<br> <br> I see.<br> <br> =C2=A0> Another oddity (or is it expected): when I switch back-and-forth= between<br> =C2=A0> desktops having typed M-x, on one screen the focus (selected win= dow?) is on<br> =C2=A0> the M-x line and on the other on *scratch* (where I originally r= an the C-x<br> =C2=A0> 5 2 command).=C2=A0 Not sure which is which by now...<br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0> Actually, after a few switches back and forth, the M-x line is t= he selected<br> =C2=A0> window in the frame where I typed it (new frame) and it's no= t selected in<br> =C2=A0> the old frame.<br> =C2=A0><br> =C2=A0> Not sure if this helps in any way.<br> <br> Not yet.=C2=A0 If you have two normal (non-fullscreen) frames of the same<b= r> Emacs process on two different desktops, type a command so that a prompt<br= > appears in one of them and then do C-x 5 o: Does the prompt move to the<br> other frame?=C2=A0 Right away?<br> <br> BTW: Do you have Mission Control installed and active?=C2=A0 Maybe some<br> setting in it triggers the "put the frame on the other desktop because= <br> the first one is too crowded" behavior.<br> <br> martin<br> </blockquote></div></div> --000000000000e4cfdb0636c22dcd--
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I'm still a bit dense in the following sense: You have a fullscreen frame, do C-x 5 2 and now see the new frame on a new desktop but it apparently didn't get focus because, as you say, the prompt doesn't appear there. However, in your initial posting you say that "Focus shifts there". What makes you think that focus shifted there? The appearance of the cursor, the mode line, some decoration in the new frame? Does C-x 2 split a window in the new or old frame? >> I'd like to understand the focus issue. What does C-x 5 o do when run >> in the old frame? > > > - Opened "Emacs -Q" > - Clicked the green button (fullscreen) > - C-x 5 2 (new frame opens on another desktop) > - I swipe to original desktop > - C-x 5 o switches to the new one and repeating it takes me back Does C-x 5 o also switch the desktop you see? > What does running 'foo' defined as >> >> (defun foo () >> (interactive) >> (let ((frame (make-frame))) >> (sit-for 3) >> (message "%s" (frame-focus-state frame)))) >> > > When I do this in an non-full-screen frame, a new frame pops up with a "t" > > When I do it in a full-screen frame, a new frame pops up but a "t' is in > the OLD frame. And then (I think) with some delay it also appears in the > NEW frame. This "delay" should come from the (sit-for 3) call. >> report? Is the message shown in both frames? >> >> Does 'foo' specified as >> >> (defun foo () >> (interactive) >> (let ((frame (make-frame))) >> (select-frame-set-input-focus frame))) >> >> behave the same way? > > > I get a "nil" in both frames. The nil would come from the return value of the frame focusing function so my question was silly. What I really meant with "behave the same way" was whether the new frame does get input focus with this 'foo', that is, whether now Emacs shows the prompt in the new frame when you try executing a command. I suppose the answer is "no". > Hard to tell if it's simulataneous (as I > cannot look at them at the same time) and maybe switching desktops triggers > something. > > Does >> >> (add-hook 'after-make-frame-functions 'select-frame-set-input-focus) >> >> change anything? > > > Not really. When I make a new frame, a new frame on a new desktop appears, > but typing M-x shows no change on screen. When I switch back to the > original screen M-x shows on screen AND when I switch again NOW I can see > M-x prompt on the new screen as well. > > > Does >> >> (add-hook 'after-make-frame-functions 'redirect-frame-focus) >> >> change anything? >> > > No. Same behavior as after the other add-hook. I see. > Another oddity (or is it expected): when I switch back-and-forth between > desktops having typed M-x, on one screen the focus (selected window?) is on > the M-x line and on the other on *scratch* (where I originally ran the C-x > 5 2 command). Not sure which is which by now... > > Actually, after a few switches back and forth, the M-x line is the selected > window in the frame where I typed it (new frame) and it's not selected in > the old frame. > > Not sure if this helps in any way. Not yet. If you have two normal (non-fullscreen) frames of the same Emacs process on two different desktops, type a command so that a prompt appears in one of them and then do C-x 5 o: Does the prompt move to the other frame? Right away? BTW: Do you have Mission Control installed and active? Maybe some setting in it triggers the "put the frame on the other desktop because the first one is too crowded" behavior. martin
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What does C-x 5 o do when run > in the old frame? - Opened "Emacs -Q" - Clicked the green button (fullscreen) - C-x 5 2 (new frame opens on another desktop) - I swipe to original desktop - C-x 5 o switches to the new one and repeating it takes me back What does running 'foo' defined as > > (defun foo () > (interactive) > (let ((frame (make-frame))) > (sit-for 3) > (message "%s" (frame-focus-state frame)))) > When I do this in an non-full-screen frame, a new frame pops up with a "t" When I do it in a full-screen frame, a new frame pops up but a "t' is in the OLD frame. And then (I think) with some delay it also appears in the NEW frame. > > report? Is the message shown in both frames? > > Does 'foo' specified as > > (defun foo () > (interactive) > (let ((frame (make-frame))) > (select-frame-set-input-focus frame))) > > behave the same way? I get a "nil" in both frames. Hard to tell if it's simulataneous (as I cannot look at them at the same time) and maybe switching desktops triggers something. Does > > (add-hook 'after-make-frame-functions 'select-frame-set-input-focus) > > change anything? Not really. When I make a new frame, a new frame on a new desktop appears, but typing M-x shows no change on screen. When I switch back to the original screen M-x shows on screen AND when I switch again NOW I can see M-x prompt on the new screen as well. Does > > (add-hook 'after-make-frame-functions 'redirect-frame-focus) > > change anything? > No. Same behavior as after the other add-hook. Another oddity (or is it expected): when I switch back-and-forth between desktops having typed M-x, on one screen the focus (selected window?) is on the M-x line and on the other on *scratch* (where I originally ran the C-x 5 2 command). Not sure which is which by now... Actually, after a few switches back and forth, the M-x line is the selected window in the frame where I typed it (new frame) and it's not selected in the old frame. Not sure if this helps in any way. =E2=80=93Boris > > martin > --000000000000c3db5c0636b6eee4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi,</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_co= ntainer"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 4:44= =E2=80=AFPM martin rudalics <<a href=3D"mailto:rudalics@HIDDEN">rudalics= @gmx.at</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"= margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef= t:1ex">=C2=A0> Gerd and Martin, any suggestions or comments?<br> <br> I'd like to understand the focus issue.=C2=A0 What does C-x 5 o do when= run<br> in the old frame?=C2=A0</blockquote><div><br></div><div>- Opened "Emac= s -Q"</div><div>- Clicked the green button (fullscreen)</div><div>- C-= x 5 2 (new frame opens on another desktop)</div><div>- I swipe to original = desktop</div><div>- C-x 5 o switches to the new one and repeating it takes = me back</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg= in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e= x"> What does running 'foo' defined as<br> <br> (defun foo ()<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0(interactive)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0(let ((frame (make-frame)))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(sit-for 3)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(message "%s" (frame-focus-state frame))))<br= ></blockquote><div><br></div><div>When I do this in an non-full-screen fram= e, a new frame pops up with a "t"=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>= When I do it in a full-screen frame, a new frame pops up but a "t'= is in the OLD frame.=C2=A0 And then (I think) with some delay it also appe= ars in the NEW frame.=C2=A0 =C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad= ding-left:1ex"> <br> report?=C2=A0 Is the message shown in both frames?<br> <br> Does 'foo' specified as<br> <br> (defun foo ()<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0(interactive)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0(let ((frame (make-frame)))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(select-frame-set-input-focus frame)))<br> <br> behave the same way?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I get a "nil"= ; in both frames.=C2=A0 Hard to tell if it's simulataneous=C2=A0(as I c= annot look at them at the same time) and maybe switching desktops triggers = something.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl= e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin= g-left:1ex">=C2=A0 Does<br> <br> (add-hook 'after-make-frame-functions 'select-frame-set-input-focus= )<br> <br> change anything?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not really.=C2=A0 When I m= ake a new frame, a new frame on a new desktop appears, but typing M-x shows= no change on screen.=C2=A0 When I switch back to the original screen M-x s= hows on screen AND when I switch again NOW I can see M-x prompt on the new = screen as well.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma= il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2= 04,204);padding-left:1ex">=C2=A0 Does<br> <br> (add-hook 'after-make-frame-functions 'redirect-frame-focus)<br> <br> change anything?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No.=C2=A0 Same behavio= r as after the other add-hook.</div><div><br></div><div>Another oddity (or = is it expected): when I switch back-and-forth between desktops having typed= M-x, on one screen the focus (selected window?) is on the M-x line and on = the other on *scratch* (where I originally ran the C-x 5 2 command).=C2=A0 = Not sure which is which by now...</div><div><br></div><div>Actually, after = a few switches back and forth, the M-x line is the selected window in the f= rame where I typed it (new frame) and it's not selected in the old fram= e.</div><div><br></div><div>Not sure if this helps in any way.</div><div><b= r></div><div>=E2=80=93Boris</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D= "margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le= ft:1ex"> <br> martin<br> </blockquote></div></div> --000000000000c3db5c0636b6eee4--
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Will reply shortly. Real life interfered. =E2=80=93BA On Sun, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:44=E2=80=AFAM martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> wr= ote: > > I think the question was for Boris. > > Indeed. > > martin > > --000000000000df86d60636b01998 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sorry.=C2=A0 Will reply shortly.=C2=A0 Real life inte= rfered.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=93BA</div></div><br><div clas= s=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att= r">On Sun, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:44=E2=80=AFAM martin rudalics <<a href=3D"ma= ilto:rudalics@HIDDEN">rudalics@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote c= lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli= d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> I think the question was for Bori= s.<br> <br> Indeed.<br> <br> martin<br> <br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000df86d60636b01998--
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Boris and Gerd, could you please answer martin's questions? I think the question was for Boris.
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> Gerd and Martin, any suggestions or comments?
I'd like to understand the focus issue. What does C-x 5 o do when run
in the old frame? What does running 'foo' defined as
(defun foo ()
(interactive)
(let ((frame (make-frame)))
(sit-for 3)
(message "%s" (frame-focus-state frame))))
report? Is the message shown in both frames?
Does 'foo' specified as
(defun foo ()
(interactive)
(let ((frame (make-frame)))
(select-frame-set-input-focus frame)))
behave the same way? Does
(add-hook 'after-make-frame-functions 'select-frame-set-input-focus)
change anything? Does
(add-hook 'after-make-frame-functions 'redirect-frame-focus)
change anything?
martin
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#78527; Package emacs.
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Now in this frame make another one (for example, by >> cmd-N or C-x 5 2). >> >> A new frame opens on a new desktop. Focus shifts there. Now try to >> execute a command by esc-x (M-x). There is no prompt on the bottom of >> the screen. If you shift to the previous desktop, you will see that the >> prompt for the command to be executed appears there. [I am not 100% >> sure, but I also think the wrong emacs window is selected, as whatever >> characters typed after M-x end up in the wrong place.] >> >> I believe the mis-behavior also happens with some other actions >> immediately after new frame creation, but have not been able to figure >> out precisely when. >> >> Notice that the trouble does not appear if I have a non-full-screen >> Emace and make a new frame. >> >> Emacs downloaded from MacPorts. Versions before 30.1 did not have >> this "feature." > > Gerd and Martin, any suggestions or comments? Doesn't seem to happen with -Q for me, neither on master not emacs-30 (a version of emacs-30 that is ca 180 commits behind; savannah seems to be down again. This is macOS 15.5 on an M1 mac. C-x 5 2 does not open a new frame on a new desktop for me. The new frame opens on top of the fullsize first frame.
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Full text available.Received: (at 78527) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2025 10:04:36 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 22 06:04:36 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60289 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uI2my-0004nG-2F for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 May 2025 06:04:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36884) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uI2kq-0004fC-3M for 78527 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 May 2025 06:02:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uI2ki-0001rl-78; Thu, 22 May 2025 06:02:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=bnwjcZj6TjQsfPE4ZiGARbp/dq6lYqPjMqYl0d43CNM=; b=K6/kBN7Is/Y196eUXcmT KJyhtTUhom6HtKP7Cu3P5Pczpg9KIzAxfh/BJXY2Q1qIcnINg9+p7y4juxs1tNTNdVkL14SiVgivy Cyu6Nw5ENe84WIDVxbplrzTs6vN18bZnJ2+wGxBmDlxFyZ5ZE2AvI9hQ4eiLBhdjb9R6Y4Dw2rWAv cFPcyt07Dh1IupgtloFvc8BKt2Socgx96ZZwPDTS1q8/WFysGIFinUXRhjKs0kXL2G9LRbPpKibAO l/3FKDZ/UnngJNCO69OIWmICGRbJJOoMtKZDBtcjv5PJmGmKlXbY+FhTnY+26FGrjTV82U4JAWG4R fHVR7mVA/VJwOw==; Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 13:01:49 +0300 Message-Id: <865xht6k1e.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Boris Aronov <aronov.boris@HIDDEN>, =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN>, martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAGPpUSoPzgd4bSKoAagQniBZoS+fhMZp0ZskoW5nA24VNxmtYg@HIDDEN> (message from Boris Aronov on Tue, 20 May 2025 21:35:04 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#78527: 30.1; Mishaving new frame creation in MacOS on new desktop References: <CAGPpUSoPzgd4bSKoAagQniBZoS+fhMZp0ZskoW5nA24VNxmtYg@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78527 Cc: 78527 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Boris Aronov <aronov.boris@HIDDEN> > Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 21:35:04 +0200 > > This is on MacOS in GUI mode. > > Recipe: Make emacs full screen by clicking on the green button (maybe > also <f11>?). Now in this frame make another one (for example, by > cmd-N or C-x 5 2). > > A new frame opens on a new desktop. Focus shifts there. Now try to > execute a command by esc-x (M-x). There is no prompt on the bottom of > the screen. If you shift to the previous desktop, you will see that the > prompt for the command to be executed appears there. [I am not 100% > sure, but I also think the wrong emacs window is selected, as whatever > characters typed after M-x end up in the wrong place.] > > I believe the mis-behavior also happens with some other actions > immediately after new frame creation, but have not been able to figure > out precisely when. > > Notice that the trouble does not appear if I have a non-full-screen > Emace and make a new frame. > > Emacs downloaded from MacPorts. Versions before 30.1 did not have > this "feature." Gerd and Martin, any suggestions or comments?
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Recipe: Make emacs full screen by clicking on the green button (maybe also <f11>?). Now in this frame make another one (for example, by cmd-N or C-x 5 2). A new frame opens on a new desktop. Focus shifts there. Now try to execute a command by esc-x (M-x). There is no prompt on the bottom of the screen. If you shift to the previous desktop, you will see that the prompt for the command to be executed appears there. [I am not 100% sure, but I also think the wrong emacs window is selected, as whatever characters typed after M-x end up in the wrong place.] I believe the mis-behavior also happens with some other actions immediately after new frame creation, but have not been able to figure out precisely when. Notice that the trouble does not appear if I have a non-full-screen Emace and make a new frame. Emacs downloaded from MacPorts. Versions before 30.1 did not have this "feature." Thanks in advance. =E2=80=93BA In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 2, x86_64-apple-darwin21.6.0, NS appkit-2113.65 Version 12.7.6 (Build 21H1320)) of 2025-02-26 built on montereyx.internal.macports.net Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2113 System Description: macOS 12.7.6 Configured using: 'configure --prefix=3D/opt/local --disable-silent-rules --without-dbus --without-gconf --without-libotf --without-m17n-flt --with-libgmp --with-gnutls --with-xml2 --with-modules --with-sqlite3 --with-webp --with-native-compilation=3Daot --infodir /opt/local/share/info/emacs --disable-gc-mark-trace --with-ns --with-lcms2 --without-harfbuzz --without-imagemagick --without-xaw3d --with-rsvg --with-tree-sitter 'CFLAGS=3D-pipe -Os -Wno-attributes -isysroot/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX12.sdk -arch x86_64' 'CPPFLAGS=3D-I/opt/local/include -isysroot/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX12.sdk' 'LDFLAGS=3D-L/opt/local/lib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -Wl,-no_pie -Wl,-rpath /opt/local/lib/gcc14 -Wl,-rpath /opt/local/lib -Wl,-syslibroot,/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX12.sdk -arch x86_64'' Configured features: ACL GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS JPEG LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY KQUEUE NS PDUMPER PNG RSVG SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XIM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t isearch-fold-quotes-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t minibuffer-regexp-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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